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[Malaia]

Yeah he is, I liked him so much I wrote a 15 chapter 20,000+ word fanfiction about him. He's just so perfect.



And...even though he went mad.. I gave him the chance to atone.



As for siding with the Templars, I couldn't do it no matter how much I adored Cullen. I was obviously a mage and was doing just fine on my own, as were many other Grey Wardens. If there was a chance that even one is innocent...that was my roleplay anyway.



I never liked the idea that mages were leashed like dogs... heck even the dogs weren't leashed in the game.



Meanwhile humans right and left were being turned into zombies and possessed right and left. Didn't hear no talk about Templars hunting them.



And that "Bewitched" templar was a biotch to kill.



Seems to me that everyone was at risk of possession. Why did mages get the raw end of that shaft?

[Korva]

Because only mages are at a constant risk of possession by default, and they create the situations which allow demons to possess other non-mage people/creatures/corpses. Barring truly extraordinary circumstances like slaughter on a truly massive scale which tears the Veil, a demon can only enter the material world through the actions of a mage.

A mage is at risk every waking and sleeping moment. Of course this doesn't really come across in the game, which in turn allows players to feel invincible and go on about how unfair and unreasonable and unnecessary the system is. It is NOT. Just because Bioware didn't implement the true extent of the risk for player and party member mages doesn't mean it exists. As it is, the lack of realistic implementations and consequences for mages is prime Sue-bait, just like "grey Jedi can use all the k3wl Force powers and no one can tell them what to do and they are still better people than the dumb n00b Jedi" in Star Wars or "warlocks aren't evil, fel magic is totally k3wl, and my demons are cute snugglebunnies" in World of WarCraft.

Apologies for the mini-rant, but I've met so many roleplayers of that stripe, and peeked into too much awful fanfiction of the same vein. It really gets annoying when you'd like to roleplay "realistically" or try to read stories that don't mutilate canon at every turn just to make the "heroes" look cool and the authorities look evil/bad/stupid, especially in terms of the predictable "forbidden romance".

[Malaia]

Wholly cow, that was more bitter than my Alistair go to Hades rant.



Fan fiction is about telling the story you want. It's not always about sticking to lore or someone else's idea of the game. While I'm sure you think you know exactly how things are with mages and Templars, I'm also quite sure that 10 other people would interpret the same thing, differently.



I wouldn't dare rant about someone else's fanfiction because it's usually written to give someone a sense of closure that they wanted. Whether that fits into everyones idea of roleplay, well thats not the point.



Really arrogant to assume that everyone should stick to your ideas when writing THEIR fiction.



And my but your comments about "sue" seem very familiar as do the angry rants about forbidden romances and predictable.



What bee crawled up your nose? oO

[Riona45]

TeenZombie wrote...


I felt bad that my mage couldn't talk to him after the Broken Circle quest (all you get when you click on him was a generic response).  He was obviously already very conflicted, but seeing all his brother templars die pushed over the edge.  If you could have at least said some comforting words to him, to let him know that all mages aren't abominations waiting to happen, it would have been nice. 

Well, you do get the option to say "We aren't all evil," but since Cullen is pretty unstable at the time he won't hear it.

Honestly, after what he's been through, he probably needs more help than comforting words--and IMO, shouldn't continue to be a templar until that's sorted out (but I don't know how much the Chantry is concerned with the mental health of their templars, given the whole lyrium thing...).

[VenetianLunacy]

I would love to have Cullen as a new member. I think it would add a nice balance if the player chose to kill Wynne.
I definitely support this.:happy:

[Korva]

Malaia wrote...

Fan fiction is about telling the story you want.

Yes. There's nothing wrong with that of course, though it can get a bit frustrating for someone looking for "canon-based" fanfic to enjoy. Hell, I admit there are bits of canon in various settings I ignore too, for various reasons. The real "problem" comes when, either in lore discussions or a RP group or a cooperative writing project, the people who ignore the bits of the lore/canon that they don't like "clash" with those who don't -- and when the person who ignores canon doesn't admit they're doing so but insist they're objectively correct even when you show them proof to the contrary.

I've just had too many bad experiences with that -- still, I didn't mean to jump down your throat and am sorry if I came across that way.

And my but your comments about "sue" seem very familiar as do the angry rants about forbidden romances and predictable.

You mean "forbidden romance" in which the "authorities" and anyone else who gets in the way are painted as bad as can be with no regard for the lore isn't a hugely popular fanfic topic? Yes, yes, "forbidden romance" can be done without vilifying anyone and within the lore, and done perfectly well -- but often it isn't because the writers only care about their pet characters and their love story, and nothing else. And when you're looking for a relaxing read in a favourite setting that can get quite frustrating.

[Lotion Soronarr]

You do relise you can side with the templars and still save most mages? Gregoir rocks!

Hm..for some sneaky reason I suspect there was something between him (Gregoir) any Wynne...

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 02 décembre 2009 - 08:38 .

[RunCDFirst]

I don't know... Cullen doesn't seem very grandmotherly.



Can he sew?

[ValentineHeart82]

Korva wrote...

There are (as usual) far too few consequences of one's actions and choices in this game, especially negative consequences, so I'm happy the way things are. (Though I do wish it was possible to have Wynne stay to protect the children.) As Lughsan35 said, if you kill Zevran you don't magically get a replacement, and the same is true for skipping Sten and Leliana in Lothering. One could say Cullen is there so it makes sense in this case, but the guy struck me as a creepy jerk who isn't exactly fit for travel due to being traumatized and unstable from the events at the Tower.

Cullen is also an interesting character who's obviously been through one hell of an ordeal and would have an interesting back story, maybe you wouldn't take him because you'd rather have Wynn or Nothing but that's no argument for why no one else should be able to recruit him. The only in-game reason is that there's no dialogue option to ask.

[RunCDFirst]

ValentineHeart82 wrote...
Cullen is also an interesting character who's obviously been through one hell of an ordeal and would have an interesting back story, maybe you wouldn't take him because you'd rather have Wynn or Nothing but that's no argument for why no one else should be able to recruit him. The only in-game reason is that there's no dialogue option to ask.

I think an in-game explanation might be that he's a Templar and answers to the Chantry. I think the only way you'd get him is if you invoked the Right of Conscription.

Which, oddly, never comes up as an option.

[ValentineHeart82]

RunCDFirst wrote...

ValentineHeart82 wrote...
Cullen is also an interesting character who's obviously been through one hell of an ordeal and would have an interesting back story, maybe you wouldn't take him because you'd rather have Wynn or Nothing but that's no argument for why no one else should be able to recruit him. The only in-game reason is that there's no dialogue option to ask.

I think an in-game explanation might be that he's a Templar and answers to the Chantry. I think the only way you'd get him is if you invoked the Right of Conscription.

Which, oddly, never comes up as an option.

And he could be in a lot of trouble with the Chantry, for a variey of reasons.

[Popemaster123]

TeenZombie wrote...

If you play as a female mage, Cullen is obsessed with your character, despite his extreme hatred of mages. It's fun to call him on it in the origin story and watch him freak out, but I'd be kind of scared to bring him along with the party, my character might wake up in camp to find Cullen sniffing her hair.

Do you really think he will stop there?
Sleep Attack.

[ValentineHeart82]

TeenZombie wrote...

If you play as a female mage, Cullen is obsessed with your character, despite his extreme hatred of mages. It's fun to call him on it in the origin story and watch him freak out, but I'd be kind of scared to bring him along with the party, my character might wake up in camp to find Cullen sniffing her hair.

What if you got him and at some point realized that he was like that because of Lyrium. Maybe you would catch using it in party camp and confront him on where he got it, and have a scene where Alister confronts him on it. I think that would be interesting, especially if he was running out and you could confront him on his increasingly desperate attempts to get more.

Modifié par ValentineHeart82, 03 décembre 2009 - 05:29 .

[Malaia]

TeenZombie wrote...

If you play as a female mage, Cullen is obsessed with your character, despite his extreme hatred of mages. It's fun to call him on it in the origin story and watch him freak out, but I'd be kind of scared to bring him along with the party, my character might wake up in camp to find Cullen sniffing her hair.

Is it very wrong that I'd pay for downloaded content where I woke up to find Cullen sniffing my hair?  :innocent:

[PrincessRiku]

Malaia: I would definitely pay for DLC where I could wake up with Cullen sniffing my hair. I would even pay if he didn't so much join my party as stalked me across Ferelden, making little cameo appearances behind bushes, boxes, and barrels with a pair of binoculars.



But long story short, there is at least closure with the Dalish Elf possible romance with Tamlen. I think the others may have closure with theirs too. But the only "closure" you really get with Cullen is the fact that he stops having regular conversation with you and only repeats "I wish I could have gone with them...to fight" over and over and over for the rest of his natural born days.



And I don't see why the Chantry couldn't send him with you. Sure, if you ask them if they can help you after you save the Mages, Greagoir tells you that he has to remain to help see to the Tower. But if the Mages can expend Wynne, they can expend Cullen to follow your party. After all, there are apostates everywhere, and they don't know if some of the Blood Mages left. It's even a bonus if he follows because -your- a Mage and he doesn't trust you.

[Rainen89]

Honestly we don't need another warrior another mage would be nice to choose from, not another warrior. The fact that if you do purge the circle you're stuck with 1 (assuming PC is not a mage.) mage is a bit of a handicap.

[Dermain]

Boeresmurf wrote...

more cullen...
my female mage really loved him and the way he was looking at me

As did mine, but for the ending Cullen turned into a psycho-mage killer, was imprisoned, but escaped and continued killing mages...I have a feeling that he would kill my mage as well...just imagine what would happen if he was a party member.

Modifié par Myrkale, 04 décembre 2009 - 07:06 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

The purge only happens fn Irwing dies. Save Irwing and agree with Cullen when talking to Gregoir and you still get to save the mages, but get the Templars

Best of both worlds.

[Nick Fox]

Personally I would've loved an option to recruit the desire demon that holds a Templar in her grasp. That would've been  so much more intruiging and the posibilitys storywise....excellent twistwise etc.

[PrincessRiku]

Rainen89 wrote...

Honestly we don't need another warrior another mage would be nice to choose from, not another warrior. The fact that if you do purge the circle you're stuck with 1 (assuming PC is not a mage.) mage is a bit of a handicap.

Like we've been saying, if you wouldn't have wanted him, don't take him. We weren't talking balance-wise, we're talking storywise as in characters that it would be fun to have along with you. And since you miss interaction completely if you don't want to side with the mages and agree with Cullen, then you're just SOL.

[Bootsykk]

CULLEN!

As mage-paranoid as he is, he is so friggen' adorable.

Bump to this.

[Malaia]

PrincessRiku wrote...

Malaia: I would definitely pay for DLC where I could wake up with Cullen sniffing my hair. I would even pay if he didn't so much join my party as stalked me across Ferelden, making little cameo appearances behind bushes, boxes, and barrels with a pair of binoculars.

But long story short, there is at least closure with the Dalish Elf possible romance with Tamlen. I think the others may have closure with theirs too. But the only "closure" you really get with Cullen is the fact that he stops having regular conversation with you and only repeats "I wish I could have gone with them...to fight" over and over and over for the rest of his natural born days.

And I don't see why the Chantry couldn't send him with you. Sure, if you ask them if they can help you after you save the Mages, Greagoir tells you that he has to remain to help see to the Tower. But if the Mages can expend Wynne, they can expend Cullen to follow your party. After all, there are apostates everywhere, and they don't know if some of the Blood Mages left. It's even a bonus if he follows because -your- a Mage and he doesn't trust you.

Personally I think we should have the option of trading Alistair in for Cullen *pout*, I'm sick of his whining anyhow. Oh poor me, I'm a prince and might have to be king where everyone would worship me and do my bidding and then I could dump your sorry mage butt and run off and marry whoever I wanted BECAUSE THEY CAN GIVE ME BABIES, BUT I'll WAIT TO DO THAT UNTIL AFTER I sleep with you and AFTER I tell you I love you and AFTER I tell you that being a mage and and elf DONT MATTER, because I'm a lying prig who when it comes down to it is just like the other humans.

*fume*
Um... yeah and mods : please give me Cullen sniffing my hair in my tent...kk thx!

[DeathWyrmNexus]

TeenZombie wrote...

If you play as a female mage, Cullen is obsessed with your character, despite his extreme hatred of mages. It's fun to call him on it in the origin story and watch him freak out, but I'd be kind of scared to bring him along with the party, my character might wake up in camp to find Cullen sniffing her hair.

On my current playthrough, my wife's character (yes she is a gamer girl that prefers to watch if that makes sense) decide to hit on Cullen and she was annoyed that you couldn't pop the templar. So I am not sure if she would have problems with the hair sniffing as long as he stayed for more.

And yes, for some reason, my wife loves **** characters so I've been tasked with trying to bed Zevran, Leliana, and Alistair in that order and she wants me to see if I can set up a Fivesome on Isabella. If I can, that Redhead won't know what hit her.

[interesting03]

What's good about this idea, is that Cullen and a whole lot of other NPCs, such as Zathrian, Uldred, Irving, Eamon and Greagoir already have combat/party soundsets.

If you go into the Dragon Age\\packages\\core\\audio\\vo\\ss_cullen.fsb
You can listen to some of his combat dialogue, some of it's rather random and humorous, however there is also a fair deal of shouting and wounded sounds.

[Malaia]

ooo I could make use of those sounds... are any of them moans, per chance? =D