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[Zealuu]

The characters are a lot more believable when they don't just swing whatever way the gender of your character dictates. There are plenty of exclusively heterosexual characters, a couple of bisexuals (at least if you include the magical blue space lesbians) - having someone be consistently homosexual regardless of what gender Shepard has was a good call.

[shurikenmanta]

Captian Cornhole wrote...

Haasth wrote...

I sincerely hope you are trolling.

Making every character bisexual is just stupid. It was stupid in Dragon Age 2, it would be stupid now. For some characters it works, but certainly not for all and it will only feel forced and give them a lack of integrity.

It is good they made homosexual exclusive relationships instead of just making current straight relationships bisexual. Reminds me of Anders' ridiculous character change.

So just because someone is bi, then they are lacking integrity? How does that work out? I can see them lacking integrity if they skank around, but please some people can't help feeling attracted to both sexes. Anyhow sorry if I come off all angry at you or anything, nothing personal. I just disagree with yah, that's all.

I don't think the being bi part was the bit he claimed was without integrity, it was the idea that it would be rather silly to have everyone be bi with no exceptions as real life has a broad range of sexual preferences and that's not too likely to change in the future.

Modifié par shurikenmanta, 18 mars 2012 - 03:28 .

[ElitePinecone]

Akka le Vil wrote...

Not sure if this thread is supposed to be serious or a parody...

[TheSilentProtagonist]

It really all comes down to the structure of the game and its story presentation.

With games like Mass Effect or Persona, being as deeply story-driven as they are, it would be cheap and tactless to make everyone bisexual. These characters are supposed to feel and behave like real people and, as such, they're allowed to have a preference to maintain their character.

Persona complicates it further because every character exists on a 24-7/365 calendered schedule. These people have lives, places to be and so naturally they'd have preferences, too. They tend to keep romances hetero in this series, but often there's a very well developed character of the LGBT variety within the core playable cast. While its not romance, it think its very important that such characters are allowed to have their issues presented, which that series does incredibly well.

Skyrim, on the other hand, just makes everyone bi because I imagine when you're designing a game with thousands of NPCs to meet, talk to or kill that the last thing you want to worry about is what their sexual preferences are. Its a big world and there are hundreds of dungeons and dragons to deal with.

Even if you could argue a character like Jack could be bi in ME2 and ME3, here's the thing, bi people can have a hard preference, too. Plus we have to keep in mind there's a larger story to tell and in every game I've mentioned romance is just a something to further flavor your experience.

[Arppis]

LPPrince wrote...

While I'm perfectly fine with Sam and Cortez being restricted to one sex, I found it extremely odd that Ashley was kept straight and not made bisexual like Kaidan.

I found it more odd that her character was so downplayed.

[Ghost Warrior]

This might come as a shock OP,but some people are gay,others are straight,and there are even those who are bi. Suprisingly,not everyone goes both ways. I'll give you some time to recover from this shocking revelation.

[Midarenkov]

LPPrince wrote...

While I'm perfectly fine with Sam and Cortez being restricted to one sex, I found it extremely odd that Ashley was kept straight and not made bisexual like Kaidan.

Huh? It would have made no sense to change it.

[Xyraphius]

IsaacShep wrote...

Captian Cornhole wrote...

sexy caramel studmuffin known as Cortez

I can't disagree with that

Oh, Isaac. Like two peas in a pod. Hehe.

[Navasha]

Fair?

Ever consider that those characters don't want a heterosexual relationship?

Not everyone in the universe has to be forced to submit to the will of the Shepard.

[Arppis]

Midarenkov wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

While I'm perfectly fine with Sam and Cortez being restricted to one sex, I found it extremely odd that Ashley was kept straight and not made bisexual like Kaidan.

Huh? It would have made no sense to change it.

Because of religious background?

[Teddie Sage]

Look. I'm gay. I'm exclusive to men. This is MY reality. So is Cortez and Traynor's realities. They're gay. :innocent:

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 18 mars 2012 - 03:40 .

[The Razman]

Cortez whined way too much for me to like the guy. Plus he's friends with Vega, which makes me dislike him through assocation.

[Arppis]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Look. I'm gay. I'm exclusive to men. This is MY reality. So is Cortez and Traynor's realities. They're gay. :innocent:

And it should be like that. But they did make Kaidan bi.

Modifié par Arppis, 18 mars 2012 - 03:41 .

[Teddie Sage]

Kaidan was written as a bisexual character, I think. They even voiced the scenes of Male Shepard before releasing Mass Effect 1 and for some reason, it got scratched from the main game. I saw a few scenes on youtube. Maybe they're manipulations, I don't know but I think Kaidan was meant to be bisexual from start.

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 18 mars 2012 - 03:44 .

[Ghost Warrior]

Arppis wrote...
And it should be like that. But they did make Kaidan bi.

A mistake IMO. But at least it's easy to avoid.

[Teddie Sage]

Not a mistake for the players who actually wanted to have a same sex relationship with Kaidan. -.-

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 18 mars 2012 - 03:45 .

[Arppis]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Kaidan was written as a bisexual character, I think. They even voiced the scenes of Male Shepard before releasing Mass Effect 1 and for some reason, it got scratched from the main game. I saw a few scenes on youtube. Maybe they're manipulations, I don't know but I think Kaidan was meant to be bisexual from start.

Well, it doesn't matter to me that much. Just pointing it out.

Teddie Sage wrote...

Not a mistake for the players who actually wanted to have a same sex relationship with Kaidan. -.-

What about the people who wanted to bonk those two?!

Modifié par Arppis, 18 mars 2012 - 03:46 .

[Xyraphius]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Kaidan was written as a bisexual character, I think. They even voiced the scenes of Male Shepard before releasing Mass Effect 1. I saw a few scenes on youtube. Maybe they're manipulations, I don't know but I think Kaidan was meant to be bisexual from start.

People would counter this by saying that by messing with the plot flags he actually refers to himself as a woman.

However, after seeing the videos and the fact that Kaidan actually has exclusive scenes and dialogue with ManShep via manipulated(or in my case, just plain bugged) save import data in ME3, I would be inclined to believe that he was definitely written as a bisexual character. As you said.

Modifié par Xyraphius, 18 mars 2012 - 03:48 .

[bleetman]

Aaaaahahahahaha.

Oh yes, the irony. It is delicious.

[garf]

Actually it isn't fair that Fem Shep has so few romance options.

[Ghost Warrior]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Not a mistake for the players who actually wanted to have a same sex relationship with Kaidan. -.-

That's why there was "IMO" part in my post. To me it was a mistake and I'd be cool to see lesbian Miranda,but I'm actually glad they didn't mess with her character. Lucky for me,I was never too fond of Kaidan.

[TheComfyCat]

Captian Cornhole wrote...

sexy caramel studmuffin

Lol.

[LPPrince]

Arppis wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

While I'm perfectly fine with Sam and Cortez being restricted to one sex, I found it extremely odd that Ashley was kept straight and not made bisexual like Kaidan.

I found it more odd that her character was so downplayed.

That too.

But as far as Ash being straight goes- no complaints.

I just figured that if you're gonna make Kaidan bisexual, you might as well do the same to Ash. Both characters came from the same initial game, were in the same place in ME2, and got picked up at in ME3.

My point being that they were counterparts, and I felt that if one was made bisexual, the other should've been as well. If one was kept straight, the other should've been as well.

The reason I'm saying, "Its odd Ash wasn't bi" instead of, "Its odd Kaidan was gay" is because I thought it was cool that Bioware gave MaleShep players the option to romance Kaidan.

I'll never do it(as I roleplay my characters as heterosexual most of the time and Kaidan's dead for me anyway), but I thought it was a nice addition.

Still, I remember quite a few FemShep players wanting FemShep to romance Ashley, so the fact that they left that out was a bit jarring.

Its nice in that there's variance, but its bad in that FemShep's lose another romance opportunity.

Also, as far as sexual preference in relation to Ashley's characterization is concerned, I think keeping her straight would've been fine if she clearly established at some point that she is in no way attracted to the same sex.

If, as FemShep, you could engage in this exchange with Ashley-

Ashley-"Its tough, you know? All of this can come to an end, and you start realizing the one thing you need to stay sane is someone to hold you close before the final hour."

FemShep-"I wouldn't mind holding you close. Really close. Whether or not its the final hour."

Ashley-"Oh...uhh, Commander. Hah, I meant 'romantically' holding me close. Sorry skipper, I'm not into girls."

FemShep-"Well, it was worth a shot."

Then I could understand Bioware's intent, because they basically made it clear that Ashley is straight.

I don't know if ME3 has anything like that, but if it does, then I'm good with it. If not, then I can't see why they couldn't have FemSheps romance Ashley.

On a similar note, FemShep players wanted Tali back in ME2, but got no dice. MaleShep players wanted Garrus, also no dice.

I found it odd that you could not initiate a romance with them in ME3 and that you could only romance them in ME3 if you had previously romanced them in ME2.

Some odd decisions, I'd say. They aren't good or bad decisions, in my opinion. Just odd.

[LPPrince]

Also, there is the possibility that FemShep has NO available heterosexual romance options in the third game.

If in ME1 Kaidan was sacrificed and in ME2 if Garrus died, in ME3 FemShep has no real lasting heterosexual relationship with anyone, as-

Jacob leaves you for another woman
Thane dies

So FemSheps really got the short end of the stick. I feel for them(if you couldn't tell) and I don't even play a FemShep.

Sure, arguing that Ashley should've been a FemShep option doesn't really rectify the lack of hetero-romance options for FemShep problem, but it was still something I thought I should bring up.

Oddities and all that.

Modifié par LPPrince, 18 mars 2012 - 04:02 .

[Ghost Warrior]

Yeah that's true but I guess you wouldn't sacrifice Kaidan if you romanced him.