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[Atarun]

McSorley wrote...

Eh, I have to say I was very disappointed when I assumed I was working toward something with Traynor only for her to turn me down minutes after I was hit on by a dude I did not care to be hit on by. Maybe an orientation option at the beginning of the game would be nice to avoid the feelings involved with being shot down as such? lol

Welcome to reality.

How I wish I could switch some kind of option on, so that I would never get hit on by dudes and I would never feel attracted to straight women. <_<

Then again, why is reality creeping up in games, anyway?
Why should games teach us about loss, sacrifice and rejection? 

[acidqueen5426]

Honestly? It didn't bother me that much that Steve is exclusively gay. It just gave me an excuse to roll a MaleShep.

[Knightly_BW]

I still think best solution to romances on Bioware games is adding "more than a friend" option to LI dialogues. So you don't have to woo wrong person whole game long (Yes, Alistair I am looking at you!).

However it is nice to see others feel what we felt back in other games. We can understand each other better now I guess.

[Blacklash93]

I was wondering when this would come up.

[Atarun]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Should have made Vega a straight romance. That way most people could have been happy. 2 straight (Ash/Vega), 2 bi (Liara/Kaidan) and 2 ****** (Samantha and Steve).

The problem with your count of 2/2/2 is that each ****** romance is only available from one gender.
Which means you'd get 3 straight romances and 2 gay ones.

And there are romances you haven't counted: Tali, Miranda and Jack for the straight male, Garrus for the straight female.

And because Liara is arguably not gendered and Vega isn't available either way, I'd say everyone is screwed but straight males.

Here's the count (note that Liara is in every single count):

Straight Male - Ashley, Tali, Miranda, Jack, Liara - 5
Straight Female - Kaidan, Garrus, Liara - 3
Gay Male - Kaidan, Steve, Liara - 3
Gay Female - Samantha, Liara - 2

I don't mean the players, btw, I mean the characters. Because nothing forces you to play either your real-life gender or your real-life orientation. It does feel nice to at least know it's an option, though... makes you feel represented and stuff. 

[Akrim_Drak]

While part of me wants to like go all childish and say something I shall refrain. HOWEVER, I have one little pet peeve. Kaidan's NOT bisexual, and a Shepard who romances Liara is omnisexual since she's not even human... I don't care what "gender" she is. In the future these terms mean nothing! Why's everyone always gotta label everything.

If you're male Shepard he says clearly "Have you ever known me to be with anybody?" that's like code for "I'm waiting for you!" aka. "I'm gay, Shepard, and I want you." However in 200~ years that will(hopefully) not even be an issue anymore and defining ones sexuality will not be some big huge issue. There's a reason they never use terms for sexuality in the ME universe. Kaidan will just like dudes and that's that. Amazes me how hard it is for people to grasp. In our little 2012 world, yes it's gay, but in a future where people aren't chastised to hell for sleeping with ANOTHER SPECIES(yes that's akin to sleeping with an ape btw, only a smarter one, sorry Talimancers, it's the truth) it's not an issue. Gotta think about it in terms of the universe you're playing in.

And if you're a female Shepard he's straight, no liking guys on the side, nothing. Please stop with the metagaming drives me nuts. Sorry for the rant!

And I'm glad they made someone my Shepard could talk to without worry of asking her to my bed. I loved Samantha because I didn't feel threatened she was gonna hit on me or I'd accidentally hit on her. It works both ways, gay men feel "threatened" by women hitting on them just as straight men do with other men. The fact they even left in a line for you to try and get her into bed is just tacky and totally pandering to the heterosexual men. I still need to play through as female Shepard but I'm sure they handled Steve better for the ladies considering his situation, it's refreshing. Too bad I hated how it all ended and that sorta has me meh about the whole damn thing!

Modifié par Akrim_Drak, 19 mars 2012 - 02:40 .

[McSorley]

Atarun wrote...

McSorley wrote...

Eh, I have to say I was very disappointed when I assumed I was working toward something with Traynor only for her to turn me down minutes after I was hit on by a dude I did not care to be hit on by. Maybe an orientation option at the beginning of the game would be nice to avoid the feelings involved with being shot down as such? lol

Welcome to reality.

How I wish I could switch some kind of option on, so that I would never get hit on by dudes and I would never feel attracted to straight women. <_<

Then again, why is reality creeping up in games, anyway?
Why should games teach us about loss, sacrifice and rejection? 

You're right.  Games should be about fantasy.  Games should help people escape what some percieve to be "reality".  I play video games to forget about the crappy things in life.  Sci-fi space future-conflict doesn't remind me of any issues that I face day-to-day, so saying that I don't want to face any sort of issues in a game would be a meaningless argument.  A lot of people would rather not have to face rejection because we often face enough of it in real life.

I know you were being sarcastic, but in some ways you said a few things that were true.  People face enough crap in life, don't drag it into our games while we try to have a "vacation" from our own issues.

[Unschuld]

OP...

Look, I'm all about choices and the ability to make them when you can, but I fully support what Bioware did on this matter. How do you think the homosexual players have felt in the past games, where they either had NO options, or one/two bisexual options (which were always female). What they did in this game is great, and although Samantha is likable a easy on the eyes, I'm fine she's not an option for my character. Same with Cortez, though I don't hold the same perspective. For once, heterosexual players don't have full access, and that's fine.

[Atarun]

McSorley wrote...

You're right.  Games should be about fantasy.  Games should help people escape what some percieve to be "reality".  I play video games to forget about the crappy things in life.  Sci-fi space future-conflict doesn't remind me of any issues that I face day-to-day, so saying that I don't want to face any sort of issues in a game would be a meaningless argument.  A lot of people would rather not have to face rejection because we often face enough of it in real life.

I know you were being sarcastic, but in some ways you said a few things that were true.  People face enough crap in life, don't drag it into our games while we try to have a "vacation" from our own issues.

You're wrong about one thing: I wasn't being sarcastic. ^^'

I really do think people should stop confusing realism and credibility.

I'm fine with games being utterly unrealistic. Actually, I'd much rather fight zombies, travel faster than light, ride dragons and cast spells than wait for the damn late bus.

What matters, though, IMHO, is credibility and coherence. For instance, I enjoy playing an Italian assassin who's so strong he can hold on to a ledge for hours, by the tip of his fingers. But... why... on... Earth... can't he move a chair?

Closer to home: I love Asaris and I liked the way they explained their reproductive system. But if an entirely female species is so peculiar and worth so much explaining (in game), why won't anyone (in game) mention that all extra-terrestrial societies are taliban-like? By taliban-like I mean they keep >99,999999999% of their female population completely hidden from the rest of the galaxy and not even going to their home planets will have you meet more than ONE female.

I wouldn't mind all characters being bisexual. Wouldn't be realistic, but it could be coherent and credible. It all depends on how it's done, in the end. And I think it was very well done in Dragon Age 2.

EDIT: OMG, I badmouthed one awesome extra-terrestrial civilization, which is way more equal than our real western civilization... I'm sorry Quarians. You're not taliban-like and you're awesome and I'm verry sorry I said "all" when I ought to have said "all but the Quarians". 

Modifié par Atarun, 19 mars 2012 - 06:49 .

[Atarun]

Unschuld wrote...

OP...

Look, I'm all about choices and the ability to make them when you can, but I fully support what Bioware did on this matter. How do you think the homosexual players have felt in the past games, where they either had NO options, or one/two bisexual options (which were always female). What they did in this game is great, and although Samantha is likable a easy on the eyes, I'm fine she's not an option for my character. Same with Cortez, though I don't hold the same perspective. For once, heterosexual players don't have full access, and that's fine.

People like you make internet worth it. <3^_^<3

[Flamingstorm]

I personally think the idea of having characters that are homosexual, bisexual and heterosexual is a lot better than everyone as bi. The idea that you have an issue because you can't romance someone due to their sexuality is pretty odd, the way homosexuality works is that they are not interested in the other gender in that way and having everyone bi just makes it seem a lot more hollow. Diversity is a good thing in games, hopefully culture will spread out so gays and such are accepted more, having characters gay in games is a lot better than everyone bi since it helps to show that those kinds of people are out there, it doesn't affect their work and they are basically a normal person.
Personally my femshep is a liarasexual

[BrianWilly]

Is there a way to "dislike" threads on this forum yet?

Queer representation is one thing that Mass Effect 3 got indisputably right.

[flamingplatypus]

OP, I think you're finally learning how homosexual players have felt during the past two games.

[Atarun]

flamingplatypus wrote...

OP, I think you're finally learning how homosexual players have felt during the past two games.

And during almost every other game under the sun... 

[mauro2222]

Ok... I lack integrity, nice.

Ahh... yup, bisexuals just **** everything that moves, that or we usually don't exist.

You people are crying that bi characters are unrealistic and lack integrity when every single one of th characters fall in love of Shep regardless if he/she is a cold murderer, ugly as ****, or a racist bastard...

It's a game, Jesus!

It's made to escape reality...

Modifié par mauro2222, 21 mars 2012 - 07:09 .

[mauro2222]

Tirigon wrote...

Quarians are dextro-DNA based, like Turians. They have NOTHING in common with humans.
And their bodies being similar doesnt mean sh!t - so are the geth's bodies, or in RL those of monkeys, and nevertheless most humans consider it a problem if people have sex with monkeys.

You read things after you write them? better... you think before you write?

Modifié par mauro2222, 21 mars 2012 - 07:30 .

[Major Alenko]

 I'm happy they weren't all made magically Bi, that would have been awful. DA2 was awful because of this. This actually affected my game, while I pursued a romance with Kaidan as a maleshepard (Which was amazing BTW and totally made sense) :wub:I was scared that Garrus might have been an option as well, to the point where I felt like I had to be careful talking to him. Thank god he wasn't.And just strictly IMO no offence to anyone... but I just think it's damn right odd to want to romance Garrus 

Modifié par Commodore Q, 21 mars 2012 - 08:08 .

[reehdus]

OP - I think having this representation is pretty good. I'm all for more choices and stuff, but realistically there are people who only swing one way or the other. I have no problems with that. Would break immersion if just for the sake of offering choices everyone in the team was bisexual.

[HenchxNarf]

IsaacShep wrote...

Captian Cornhole wrote...

sexy caramel studmuffin known as Cortez

I can't disagree with that

Sexy Caramel studmuffin!! I love it! <3

And while it is sad that he's the m/m romance, my femshep and him were bff's and that was good enough. I even wrote a fic about it lol

[Atarun]

mauro2222 wrote...

Ok... I lack integrity, nice.

Ahh... yup, bisexuals just **** everything that moves, that or we usually don't exist.

You people are crying that bi characters are unrealistic and lack integrity when every single one of th characters fall in love of Shep regardless if he/she is a cold murderer, ugly as ****, or a racist bastard...

It's a game, Jesus!

It's made to escape reality...

Well, I think it all boils down to whether you want realism in your game or not and whether you think everyone being bi hurts credibility or not.

If your answer is yes, then there should be straight, gay and bi characters, so that every player feels represented.

If your answer is no, then everybody LI should be available to both gender, so that every avatar has a chance with the player's favorite.

Either way, I'm a little sick of the way bisexuality is represented in the media. I have a few bisexual friends, and they certainly do not lack integrity and they are neither promiscuous nor go-with-the-flow. They feel attracted to some types of men and some types of women, you know, like everyone else. And they fall in love, too.

So I agree with you that we should start discussing why anybody might fall for Shepard regardless of his/her personality and appearance and  not just focus on the gender.