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Carfax wrote...

A lot of gay men probably don't even like or want to have anal sex due to the difficulties and dangers involved.


Yeah haha a lot...

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It's abnormal because humans are meant to be heterosexual from the stand point of design.  Gay men and women are still equipped with sexual organs that are conducive to copulation with the OPPOSITE sex, and not the same sex for instance.


Yet, we exist, as we existed before for tens of thousands of years, as it existed in species for millions of years... evolution doesn't want it out, leave it. Why do you want to change it?

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Yet, we exist, as we existed before for tens of thousands of years, as it existed in species for millions of years... evolution doesn't want it out, leave it. Why do you want to change it?


If homosexuality was purely genetic, you might have a point.  But it isn't.  It's partly genetic, so evolution does not have full sway over it.

And why do you think "I" want to change it?  I lack the power to effect homosexuality in any way shape or form.  What I'm saying is that eventually, Scientists are going to start tampering with it to see if it can be resolved because it's an abnormal condition..

It's already happened with animals, and you can be sure there are plenty of people around the World that do not want their son or daughter to grow up to be gay and would pay money to prevent it happening if possible.

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Carfax wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Yet, we exist, as we existed before for tens of thousands of years, as it existed in species for millions of years... evolution doesn't want it out, leave it. Why do you want to change it?


If homosexuality was purely genetic, you might have a point.  But it isn't.  It's partly genetic, so evolution does not have full sway over it.

And why do you think "I" want to change it?  I lack the power to effect homosexuality in any way shape or form.  What I'm saying is that eventually, Scientists are going to start tampering with it to see if it can be resolved because it's an abnormal condition..

It's already happened with animals, and you can be sure there are plenty of people around the World that do not want their son or daughter to grow up to be gay and would pay money to prevent it happening if possible.


I just finished reading through the discussion had, here. I myself identify as Asexual, so I'm curious as to how that might fit in. I would also like to applaud you for being civil even amidst the comments I've seen directed towards you, Carfax. Not many people seem capable of holding a friendly debate these days.

I'm intrigued by a few of the facts and points you've stated. For example, how have you come to the conclusion that homosexuality(or sexual deviance in general) is abnormal within the human race? Is this not a matter of perspective? Science can only explain so much, can it not? Unless your belief that all humans are "supposed" to be born heterosexual stems from religion, which is a debate in and of itself for another conversation altogether.

I personally do not find homosexuality to be any more or less abnormal than heterosexuality or bisexuality, or other variations. The only time I find sexuality in general abnormal is when people feel the need to let it define every aspect of their lives. I am not inherently sexually attracted to either gender, but more that I see aesthetic beauty in both genders. Furthermore, I believe "sex" is as much a means to emotionally and physically connect with another human being as it is to reproduce. Any other reasons would color me completely uninterested in the idea of sex. Does this make me any more or less "normal", "right", or "wrong"? I'd like to think not.

Regardless of scientific or biological theory or fact, my point is that there are always exceptions to established "norms". It doesn't necessarily make things "abnormal", because there is no definitive authority. At least, not in my opinion.

In response to your closing paragraph, don't you think genetically playing God over a child's genes and sexuality is even just a little morally unethical? I certainly wouldn't want my parents to have paid money to define aspects of my overall person. The ability to grow and develop into our own persons provides individuality and choice that would seem largely undermined by the ability to undergo such a procedure on another's whim.

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Carfax wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Yet, we exist, as we existed before for tens of thousands of years, as it existed in species for millions of years... evolution doesn't want it out, leave it. Why do you want to change it?


If homosexuality was purely genetic, you might have a point.  But it isn't.  It's partly genetic, so evolution does not have full sway over it.

And why do you think "I" want to change it?  I lack the power to effect homosexuality in any way shape or form.  What I'm saying is that eventually, Scientists are going to start tampering with it to see if it can be resolved because it's an abnormal condition..

It's already happened with animals, and you can be sure there are plenty of people around the World that do not want their son or daughter to grow up to be gay and would pay money to prevent it happening if possible.


That's the problem of their intolerance, would you prefer to educate them or to solve their problem in a easy way and let them go for the streets with their bigotry and discrimination like if nothing happened, like if difference was bad. It's like if I had a daughter and she ends up being blond, no way! blonds are stupid I want a ginger!

Come on! Don't tell me you don't want to "cure" homosexuality :P

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Look at this poor guy, he was just suggesting an option and this whole thread blew up. I'm straight and I don't care if the ladies were hitting on me. I'm such a goofball, I was all like "Damn right, I'm Commander Shepard and everyone wants this". lol. My best suggestion is to keep a good sense of humor about it. I always believed from ME1 to ME2 that bioware should have made homosexual relationships coz not all of us is straight. I think it's only fair.

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Xyraphius wrote...

I just finished reading through the discussion had, here. I myself identify as Asexual, so I'm curious as to how that might fit in. I would also like to applaud you for being civil even amidst the comments I've seen directed towards you, Carfax. Not many people seem capable of holding a friendly debate these days.


I don't think I've even met an asexual before, so I've never really considered their place in the sexuality spectrum, and how they might fit in.  I don't know whether asexuality is an innate condition like heterosexuality and homosexuality, or one born completely of choice.

One thing is sure though, asexuality is extremely rare in humans.  Certainly less than 1% of humans are asexual.

Have you ever had your testosterone levels checked? 

I'm intrigued by a few of the facts and points you've stated. For example, how have you come to the conclusion that homosexuality(or sexual deviance in general) is abnormal within the human race? Is this not a matter of perspective? Science can only explain so much, can it not? Unless your belief that all humans are "supposed" to be born heterosexual stems from religion, which is a debate in and of itself for another conversation altogether.


I'm not a religious person at all.  My statement that humans are designed to be heterosexual stems purely from physiobiology.  Humans are a sexually reproducing species, and as I mentioned before, even homosexuals are equipped with sexual organs which are designed for intercourse with the opposite sex.

A gay man is outwardly no different than a heterosexual man, yet he prefers to have sex with other men.  It's a large part of the reason why so many cultures and religions have viewed homosexuality as being deviant.

Furthermore, I believe "sex" is as much a means to emotionally and physically connect with another human being as it is to reproduce. Any other reasons would color me completely uninterested in the idea of sex. Does this make me any more or less "normal", "right", or "wrong"? I'd like to think not.


Well, only you can answer that question for yourself.  From a biological perspective, the imperative of sex has always been reproduction.  Even the orgasm has a purpose in reproduction.  We are among the few species on Earth that can actually have sex for pleasure however.  Other species aren't so lucky, and the act of reproduction is anywhere from painful to lethal.

Regardless of scientific or biological theory or fact, my point is that there are always exceptions to established "norms". It doesn't necessarily make things "abnormal", because there is no definitive authority. At least, not in my opinion.


What about pedophilia?  Many people are sexually attracted to young children.  Would you not agree that it is abnormal for a man to be attracted to a 10 year old girl?

In some cultures however, it is/was considered acceptable for a grown man to have sex with a girl that young, or even younger.  In this case, is there a definitive authority to which humans should look to for guidance for whether such an act should be tolerated?

There is.....Nature.  The body of a 10yr old girl simply isn't equipped to handle intercourse with an adult man, or deal with the consequences ie pregnancy.

So any reasonable person would view such an act with distaste and seek to prevent it from happening.

And no, I am NOT comparing homosexuality to pedophilia.  All I'm saying, is that our natural biology already explains much about our intended purpose and design.    

All you need to do is look.

In response to your closing paragraph, don't you think genetically playing God over a child's genes and sexuality is even just a little morally unethical? I certainly wouldn't want my parents to have paid money to define aspects of my overall person. The ability to grow and develop into our own persons provides individuality and choice that would seem largely undermined by the ability to undergo such a procedure on another's whim.


If homosexuality is indeed linked to intra uterine hormone imbalance, then it's only partially genetic.....and probably more a problem with the mother in that respect.

I doubt Scientists will ever have to tamper with anyone's genes to correct the imbalance however, at least not if the experiments with animals are any indication.

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Carfax wrote...
I'm not a religious person at all.  My statement that humans are designed to be heterosexual stems purely from physiobiology.  Humans are a sexually reproducing species, and as I mentioned before, even homosexuals are equipped with sexual organs which are designed for intercourse with the opposite sex.


That's a weird statement. 

Are bonobos "designed" to be heterosexual? And why are we using the word "designed"?

And the idea that sex is only for reproduction is also ... odd. 

Modifié par Kawamura, 20 mars 2012 - 07:55 .


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mauro2222 wrote...

Come on! Don't tell me you don't want to "cure" homosexuality :P


Like I said, what I want is irrelevent.  Do I want Scientists to look into the causes of homosexuality, and possibly find a solution if applicable (especially if it is found to be the result of an abnormal condition)?  Yes.

But I'm not going to provide any research money, or lobby any politicians to get it done.  It's not that important to me.

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Kawamura wrote...

That's a weird statement. 

Are bonobos "designed" to be heterosexual?


Do bonobos reproduce sexually?  Don't bonobos have two sexes? 
 

And why are we using the word "designed"?


Because there is design in living creatures.  Do you doubt that sex has a purpose?  Purpose and design are typically intertwined..

And the idea that sex is only for reproduction is also ... odd. 


Yes I agree it's odd.  But who said that sex is only for reproduction?  It certainly wasn't me, or anyone else in this thread, so I don't know why you mentioned that..  Image IPB

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Do bonobos reproduce sexually?  Don't bonobos have two sexes? 

Because there is design in living creatures.  Do you doubt that sex has a purpose?  Purpose and design are typically intertwined..

Yes I agree it's odd.  But who said that sex is only for reproduction?  It certainly wasn't me, or anyone else in this thread, so I don't know why you mentioned that..  Image IPB


So are bonobos "Designed to be heterosexual" or not?

And I don't see design in living creatures. 

I also am not sure why the "biological imperative" for sex would be reproduction.

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So are bonobos "Designed to be heterosexual" or not?


I know where you're going with this.  You want me to say yes, and then you'll counter by saying that all bonobos are bisexual..

At any rate, I'll give you your answer.  Yes, bonobos are designed to be heterosexual from a physical standpoint.  Males and females have both internal and external sexual organs which are conducive to the sexual act of reproduction via intercourse with the opposite sex.

And I don't see design in living creatures



You don't see design in living creatures therefore there is no design at all.....   Are you an atheist by chance?  Or perhaps one of those gifted people that can see design in a watch, but not a living creature that is orders of magnitude more complex with multiple systems operating harmoniously.

I also am not sure why the "biological imperative" for sex would be reproduction.


Whats the purpose of sex?

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I know where you're going with this.  You want me to say yes, and then you'll counter by saying that all bonobos are bisexual..

At any rate, I'll give you your answer.  Yes, bonobos are designed to be heterosexual from a physical standpoint.  Males and females have both internal and external sexual organs which are conducive to the sexual act of reproduction via intercourse with the opposite sex.

You don't see design in living creatures therefore there is no design at all.....   Are you an atheist by chance?  Or perhaps one of those gifted people that can see design in a watch, but not a living creature that is orders of magnitude more complex with multiple systems operating harmoniously.

Whats the purpose of sex?


How is that them being "designed to be heterosexual from a physical standpoint"? They have sexual organs that are capable of reproduction. But how is that a design for heterosexuality?

Should I see design? Does complexity demand design? Remember: coastal lines are infinitely complex.

And I don't know. What is the purpose of sex?

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Carfax just likes printing increasingly convoluted arguments to get people riled up. Always has and always will. And no offense guys but this thread is useless. The game is out and it is too late to do a toggle anyway and no one is going to realize the stupidity of homophobia from a debate on the BSN.

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There isn't much in this world funnier to me than when somebody invokes "the gay agenda".

(as in; "I cannot comprehend that there are still people on this earth so terrified of homosexuality that they think there has to be some sort of underground collective plotting against the poor disenfranchised heterosexual community.")

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Carfax seems to be more interested in details and mechanics of gay sex than gay people themselves

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Carfax wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

So are bonobos "Designed to be heterosexual" or not?


I know where you're going with this.  You want me to say yes, and then you'll counter by saying that all bonobos are bisexual..

At any rate, I'll give you your answer.  Yes, bonobos are designed to be heterosexual from a physical standpoint.  Males and females have both internal and external sexual organs which are conducive to the sexual act of reproduction via intercourse with the opposite sex.

And I don't see design in living creatures



You don't see design in living creatures therefore there is no design at all.....   Are you an atheist by chance?  Or perhaps one of those gifted people that can see design in a watch, but not a living creature that is orders of magnitude more complex with multiple systems operating harmoniously.

I also am not sure why the "biological imperative" for sex would be reproduction.


Whats the purpose of sex?


Lolintelligentdesign.

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Ravensword wrote...

Lolintelligentdesign.


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EternalAmbiguity wrote...
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the game does not need it considering how easy it is to avoid without it sounding like the person is coming onto you. (DA2 really fell into that trap with every single person announcing there love 2 you left right and centre)

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What's going on he--

I should go.

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EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Lolintelligentdesign.


lolnonitelligentdesign


Loljesusfreak.

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Cortez is exceptionally easy to dodge (I'm not sure anything he says to you prior to the "lock-in" moment can even be construed as hitting on you), though, unless you have some sort of allergic reaction to picking any option but the one on the top right. ****, even the "Renegade" dialog options aren't bad.

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This thread is plain stupid.

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Carfax, designed means it was made with a fuction and it only works in one way.

Evolution and adaptation are not designs, organic life is a mere accident, we are not designed. We change with the enviroment, we adapt to the enviroment, we weren't "made" to work with the enviroment.

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Loljesusfreak.


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