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[darthclide]

Sen4lifE wrote...

koyetai wrote...

 I find it really frustrating to speak with male characters in Bioware games lately ( specifically Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3).  I am speaking with a guy having a normal conversation and suddenly he is hitting on me or confessing a romantic interest and I have no clue what the hell just happened because my guy has clearly been going after the ladies?  How about an option to choose be gay up front, that way the people who are in to that can have their option and I don't have to find myself uncomfortable everytime I talk with a male character. 

If you can answer the question of how everyone in the galaxy knows you are straight without even meeting you, then yes.

Because if you had 1. In your face/class setup, the options for "hetero/gay" and you selected hetero. The whole galaxy will know that you are hetero, because the "news pamphlet" told them. or 2. They know who your past romances are, and assume based off of that, that you are gay/hetero

[darthclide]

I also created a poll for this, go ahead and check it out.

http://social.biowar...61/polls/31224/

Modifié par darthclide, 03 avril 2012 - 07:04 .

[dukiduki]

Dunno about that, it seems really unrealistic and I don't like the implications. It seems like this idea carters to homophobes that are scared of having a guy jump them (ridiculous of course since all he does is telling you that you are handsome) or is there any other use-case I am missing?

[Biotic_Warlock]

You have got to be kidding me.

You can't *choose* what orientation you are. Reality suggests that everyone flirts with you, despite that, and adding an orientation option in character creation is just wrong!
If you don't like it, reload if you made a mistake in a convo, and just click the REJECT option. It's as simple as that.

Sexual orientation does not define anybody, why should it define Shepard.

Modifié par Biotic_Warlock, 03 avril 2012 - 08:41 .

[bluuberg]

Mmmm no, as Shepard I wouldn't want the whole galaxy knowing my sexual preference. DO you go around telling everyone you're straight? I think not. Sure people might talk about who Shep is seen with and draw their own conclusions but there is no need for anyone to tell anyone anything if they don't want to. Everyone likes their privacy, right?

There's better stuff to be putting in a so called pamphlet on Shepard than "Omg he/she is gay, look out world!" like some trashy magazine.

[Hunters99]

darthclide wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

If you can answer the question of how everyone in the galaxy knows you are straight without even meeting you, then yes.

Because if you had 1. In your face/class setup, the options for "hetero/gay" and you selected hetero. The whole galaxy will know that you are hetero, because the "news pamphlet" told them. or 2. They know who your past romances are, and assume based off of that, that you are gay/hetero

you've got to be kidding me.......

[vernrev]

 Sexual orientation options panel in the game?  According to some, there is no such a thing as heterosexual/bisexual/homosexual, as all this is better and more accurately represented on a 10-points scale, where distinctions between each two subsequent points are subtler than one might think. Also, sexuality might be kind of... fluid, as well, meaning that at some point a male interested in females might ask himself what about an experience with a male, when after a while this interest fades out or becomes more prevalent. There's no such a thing as only a1-2-3 sexual orientation, it's a scale.

[Daashi]

I think that having an option at the beginning of the game you can set the whether or not yourcharacter is gay/straight/bi is a generally good idea.

Then maybe, maybe all those guys who b****, moan and complain about having a guy hit on their "super hetro hero" they are playing will shut up. I don't want to encourage that sort of behaviour but like I said maybe they shut up at the "gayness" shoved in their face. And god do I want them to shut up.

Seriously I get POed by all the Asari hitting on my Shepard all the time and I am not b****ing about it, I understand that this is what can happen in real life, people who you don't like, aren't attracted to, want to punch in the face, are going to hit on you and responding to it in a mature way is what an adult would do.

Modifié par Daashi, 03 avril 2012 - 09:31 .

[DeviousCastle]

Seriously? Are we playing the same game? ME1 may have pushed you into relationships, but ME3 didn't come close.

The example of Cortez, I saw no conversation that implicated you hitting on him, unless you call being friendly as hitting on. You have the single escape/go in one statement in Purgatory and that's the end... either that or I'm missing part of the game.

Haven't had Kaiden involved, so I can't comment on that.

DA2 did this quite often, but this isn't the DA2 forum, so I'm ignoring it.

[darthclide]

I haven't played DA2, but I liked their idea of heart icons? Or what are they? It basically helps you know if the "dialogue" choice you are about to make, will start a romance between you and said person. I have seen many complaints from people saying that since Cortez was gay, they were concerned that saying something nice, or hitting the "paragon quicktime" would start a romance they didn't want.

[enormousmoonboots]

koyetai wrote...

I am speaking with a guy having a normal conversation and suddenly he is hitting on me or confessing a romantic interest and I have no clue what the hell just happened

Hey, welcome to being a woman.

(seriously, this thread is still here?)

[Biotic_Warlock]

darthclide wrote...

I haven't played DA2, but I liked their idea of heart icons? Or what are they? It basically helps you know if the "dialogue" choice you are about to make, will start a romance between you and said person. I have seen many complaints from people saying that since Cortez was gay, they were concerned that saying something nice, or hitting the "paragon quicktime" would start a romance they didn't want.

Do these people press spacebar to ignore chat? If they listen they will know when to avoid a romance. <_<

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

koyetai wrote...

I am speaking with a guy having a normal conversation and suddenly he is hitting on me or confessing a romantic interest and I have no clue what the hell just happened

Hey, welcome to being a woman.

(seriously, this thread is still here?)

This thread is entitled to exist, and that is some backwards logic, it is mostly situational, although I won't lie men are normally the aggressors in initiating relationships/dating/fling attempts.

Additionally, even I found my shepard making a homosexual remark to James, which had me facepalming when it happened since I take all my considerations very carefully, and I intentionally avoided Cortez so I wouldn't have to deal with poor design ruining my ME3 experience further.

[darthclide]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

darthclide wrote...

I haven't played DA2, but I liked their idea of heart icons? Or what are they? It basically helps you know if the "dialogue" choice you are about to make, will start a romance between you and said person. I have seen many complaints from people saying that since Cortez was gay, they were concerned that saying something nice, or hitting the "paragon quicktime" would start a romance they didn't want.

Do these people press spacebar to ignore chat? If they listen they will know when to avoid a romance. <_<

It has nothing to do with "skipping" chat. The problem is 2 fold. 1. You don't know if the option to "say something nice" means "hey man, I am here for you any time, if you know what I mean *wink wink*

2. Ever since Bioware left the strategy of WYSIWYG in the dialogue tree, you can never really know EXACTLY what you are going to say. That if anything pisses me off more than the 1st problem I mentioned. I mean, there were so many random moments when Shephard said something I completely didn't want him to say.

Btw, when you talk to Joker in the bar, there is a KEY moment where you decide if he is going to be with EDI or not. You would think the option "but you are stupid Joker" would be something mean (renegade) and not something you would want to say. Turns out, that is EXACTLY what you need to say for him to go with EDI...

I am sure this post will remain up as long as it remains civil, and stays productive. Otherwise it would have been locked a long time ago.

[Sundance31us]

The bottom right choices are not always renegade.

[MACharlie1]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

koyetai wrote...

I am speaking with a guy having a normal conversation and suddenly he is hitting on me or confessing a romantic interest and I have no clue what the hell just happened

Hey, welcome to being a woman.

(seriously, this thread is still here?)

This thread is entitled to exist, and that is some backwards logic, it is mostly situational, although I won't lie men are normally the aggressors in initiating relationships/dating/fling attempts.

Additionally, even I found my shepard making a homosexual remark to James, which had me facepalming when it happened since I take all my considerations very carefully, and I intentionally avoided Cortez so I wouldn't have to deal with poor design ruining my ME3 experience further.

Wait...wha...? MShepard has flirty comments to Vega. 

How did I miss this? 

[Sundance31us]

MACharlie1 wrote...
Wait...wha...? MShepard has flirty comments to Vega. 

How did I miss this? 

Uncertain. Unless it's this line:

Shepard: The bed is a lot harder than it looks.
James: I’ll take your word for it.

I interpreted it as James teasing Shepard more than a flirt.

[MACharlie1]

Sundance31us wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...
Wait...wha...? MShepard has flirty comments to Vega. 

How did I miss this? 

Uncertain. Unless it's this line:

Shepard: The bed is a lot harder than it looks.
James: I’ll take your word for it.

I interpreted it as James teasing Shepard more than a flirt.

Ugh. Context people.

Vega: Everything in here looks too soft.
Shepard: The bed is harder then it looks.

Wasn't that Shepard being "Yeah...not really."? 

[SparkyRich]

The only time this annoyed me was DA2 - the dude hits on you and all of your "no thanks" options are rude. I'm straight, but I don't feel I have to be rude to prove it.

As for Cortez - that was pretty cool.  I liked how they let you harmlessly diffuse the situation.  I can see how the guy might get the impression that you were a little sweet on him if you were compassionate about his situation (guy lost a close friend, obviously he needs support), but you're not stuck with "GTFO you big fruitcake!" as your only response.

Modifié par SparkyRich, 06 avril 2012 - 05:56 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Squeegee83 wrote...

I'm straight but I been claiming from the first two games that there should be homosexual relationships. I have friends in rl that are gay. However, I understand your option in the game. Right after Thane died on me, I had two lesbians hitting on me. Although I am not against chicks going for femshep, the timing on that was extremely poor. I only wish for an option so I didn't have to deal with it. But I understand for men who are straight, this comes off extremely uncomfortable. My late husband would have been uncomfortable as well. He had nothing against gay people.. but I know for a straight guy... it's weird. So yeah, I support an option only because of this reason. I don't see why it should offend anyone else.

Adding these options shouldn't offend anyone as I said prior (if it does they have their own issues and need to mature), it would fit with what you were born, could go along with that spacer/colonist etc stuff, and therefore would make perfect sense. Adding the option at start would save everyone headaches.

[LaurenShepard-N7]

Bioware has a problem with ninjamancing in their games, as you can see there's another thread where someone is trying to figure out how not to trigger Traynor's romance because both dialogue options sound flirty. Also a lot of people accidentally chose Liara in ME1 while they were trying to get with Ashley, or accidentally got molested by the Asari consort. If they could maybe change the colour of the flirting dialogue, and put it on the opposite side of the wheel, that could help avoid those situations.

[MACharlie1]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Squeegee83 wrote...

I'm straight but I been claiming from the first two games that there should be homosexual relationships. I have friends in rl that are gay. However, I understand your option in the game. Right after Thane died on me, I had two lesbians hitting on me. Although I am not against chicks going for femshep, the timing on that was extremely poor. I only wish for an option so I didn't have to deal with it. But I understand for men who are straight, this comes off extremely uncomfortable. My late husband would have been uncomfortable as well. He had nothing against gay people.. but I know for a straight guy... it's weird. So yeah, I support an option only because of this reason. I don't see why it should offend anyone else.

Adding these options shouldn't offend anyone as I said prior (if it does they have their own issues and need to mature), it would fit with what you were born, could go along with that spacer/colonist etc stuff, and therefore would make perfect sense. Adding the option at start would save everyone headaches.

Except Bioware. Would receive MAJOR flak from either side of the arguement. One side would say that "Oh my God. How can you put such an obvious option of homosexuality in there!" The other side would say "Oh my God. Do you really need to censor homosexuality? Why wasn't there ever an option when there was heterosexual romances?" Etc. etc. 

My opinion is that of that you already have an option. It's called dialog choices. You either choose to get with them or don't. We don't have toggles for renegades/paragon dialogs. Or alien romance dialog. Or romances in general. Either do or you don't. 

[shepskisaac]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Adding these options shouldn't offend anyone as I said prior (if it does they have their own issues and need to mature)

Ohh the irony and hypocrisy. The only reason you and your buddies campaign for this is because you have issues and ain't mature at all. You just want to disable "teh gays" from hitting on you. Newsflash, people hit on people and can't disable each other from doing it. Deal with your insecurities and grow up

[Biotic_Warlock]

Sundance31us wrote...

The bottom right choices are not always renegade.

Indeed. In ME3 there are cases where top right is renegade and the bottom is paragon.