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[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

IsaacShep wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Adding these options shouldn't offend anyone as I said prior (if it does they have their own issues and need to mature)

Ohh the irony and hypocrisy. The only reason you and your buddies campaign for this is because you have issues and ain't mature at all. You just want to disable "teh gays" from hitting on you. Newsflash, people hit on people and can't disable each other from doing it. Deal with your insecurities and grow up

Irony in that it was your tears and constant complaining resulted in adding features that a minority of selfish individuals like yourselves benefited from while content such as ending/gameplay materals were sacrificed as a result. The entire logic as to why you were "entitled" to this content is contrary to the vary argument you make against having this option at the start. Its people like you who are so ignorant and force your agenda upon the remainder which will forever promote segregation of society on these issues. Immaturity and hypocrisy are quanities you have in abundance. Or maybe I just overestimate your intelligence and you are simply too stupid to comprehend.

[january42]

Irony in that it was your tears and constant complaining resulted in adding features that a minority of selfish individuals like yourselves benefited from while content such as ending/gameplay materals were sacrificed as a result. The entire logic as to why you were "entitled" to this content is contrary to the vary argument you make against having this option at the start. Its people like you who are so ignorant and force your agenda upon the remainder which will forever promote segregation of society on these issues. Immaturity and hypocrisy are quanities you have in abundance. Or maybe I just overestimate your intelligence and you are simply too stupid to comprehend.

What featurers were added? I'm actually curious here. 

I do think they did the worst job in any bioware game to date of hiding the romance dialogue(i.e. it was REALLY obvious where the romance dialogue was linked in. More so than earlier games,  where it felt much more natural. )  With all the LI's the conversation would turn semi-romantic at points, even if there already was a LI. It was kinda funny.

If it really bothers you, one coudl use Gibbed's save editor to get an LI and then remove it when needed I think.

[darthclide]

LaurenShepard-N7 wrote...

Bioware has a problem with ninjamancing in their games, as you can see there's another thread where someone is trying to figure out how not to trigger Traynor's romance because both dialogue options sound flirty. Also a lot of people accidentally chose Liara in ME1 while they were trying to get with Ashley, or accidentally got molested by the Asari consort. If they could maybe change the colour of the flirting dialogue, and put it on the opposite side of the wheel, that could help avoid those situations.

You hit the nail on the head. I now know the correct term to refer to romances in ME. Ninjamancing... I hate that they have to do this to a game.

Your idea of having the flirt dialogue be a different color, and on the other side of the wheel is brilliant. It will allow me (a straight guy) to easily talk with someone like Cortez, without fearing that the option "It's ok, I am here for you" means "I am in the bed whenever you want to me to be".

[darthclide]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Squeegee83 wrote...

I'm straight but I been claiming from the first two games that there should be homosexual relationships. I have friends in rl that are gay. However, I understand your option in the game. Right after Thane died on me, I had two lesbians hitting on me. Although I am not against chicks going for femshep, the timing on that was extremely poor. I only wish for an option so I didn't have to deal with it. But I understand for men who are straight, this comes off extremely uncomfortable. My late husband would have been uncomfortable as well. He had nothing against gay people.. but I know for a straight guy... it's weird. So yeah, I support an option only because of this reason. I don't see why it should offend anyone else.

Adding these options shouldn't offend anyone as I said prior (if it does they have their own issues and need to mature), it would fit with what you were born, could go along with that spacer/colonist etc stuff, and therefore would make perfect sense. Adding the option at start would save everyone headaches.

@squeegee, I know how you feel.
@canadian, You are correct that these options wouldn't and shouldn't offend anyone. If it does, then they are just itching to pick a fight over this issue. The issue is that the majority of humans are straight (by a LONG shot), and will always remain the case. So since we are sadly already on the "slippery" slope of catering to the "minority", why can't we just get off this slope, and make a compromise on a flat piece of land?

[Biotic_Warlock]

Erm. I get Ninjamanced by Het romances MUCH more then gay romances... and it's the gay romances i tend to approach to develop a stronger character for my protagonist. I believe there is no post i ever made in this forum about me complaining about how much hetero characters keep trying to romance me and me mistakenly choosing the wrong option.
Isabella in DA2 even trying to ninjamance me out of my romance between Mhawke and Anders

[NGC1300]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Adding these options shouldn't offend anyone as I said prior (if it does they have their own issues and need to mature)

Ohh the irony and hypocrisy. The only reason you and your buddies campaign for this is because you have issues and ain't mature at all. You just want to disable "teh gays" from hitting on you. Newsflash, people hit on people and can't disable each other from doing it. Deal with your insecurities and grow up

Irony in that it was your tears and constant complaining resulted in adding features that a minority of selfish individuals like yourselves benefited from while content such as ending/gameplay materals were sacrificed as a result. The entire logic as to why you were "entitled" to this content is contrary to the vary argument you make against having this option at the start. Its people like you who are so ignorant and force your agenda upon the remainder which will forever promote segregation of society on these issues. Immaturity and hypocrisy are quanities you have in abundance. Or maybe I just overestimate your intelligence and you are simply too stupid to comprehend.

And what you're demanding right now is not for selfish purpose?  and on what evidence can you be so certain that if the gay content was not included the endings would be better?  the last 4 sentences sound appalling but kinda full of BS. are you also one of those RP freaks?

and you're obviously a homophobe. can you give me the exact situation where "teh gays" make you feel insecured in the game? I don't  think people are stupid enough to not be able to distinguish the lines "I'm waiting for the right man" and "I'm waiting for the right woman"

what's the problem, exactly?

oh wait. homophobia.

Modifié par NGC1300, 06 avril 2012 - 11:52 .

[shepskisaac]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Irony in that it was your tears and constant complaining resulted in adding features that a minority of selfish individuals like yourselves benefited from while content such as ending/gameplay materals were sacrificed as a result. The entire logic as to why you were "entitled" to this content is contrary to the vary argument you make against having this option at the start. Its people like you who are so ignorant and force your agenda upon the remainder which will forever promote segregation of society on these issues. Immaturity and hypocrisy are quanities you have in abundance. Or maybe I just overestimate your intelligence and you are simply too stupid to comprehend.

I hit the right nerve. Keep going, showing your true colors is always fun. Ohh and don't forget about, let's see, SIX straight romances for ManShep who all took away much more time from the ending than gay romances ever could. ******.

[AlexWk31]

IsaacShep wrote...

hit the right nerve. Keep going, showing your true colors is always fun. Ohh and don't forget about, let's see, SIX straight romances for ManShep who all took away much more time from the ending than gay romances ever could. ******.

+1

[Xyraphius]

darthclide wrote...

LaurenShepard-N7 wrote...

Bioware has a problem with ninjamancing in their games, as you can see there's another thread where someone is trying to figure out how not to trigger Traynor's romance because both dialogue options sound flirty. Also a lot of people accidentally chose Liara in ME1 while they were trying to get with Ashley, or accidentally got molested by the Asari consort. If they could maybe change the colour of the flirting dialogue, and put it on the opposite side of the wheel, that could help avoid those situations.

You hit the nail on the head. I now know the correct term to refer to romances in ME. Ninjamancing... I hate that they have to do this to a game.

Your idea of having the flirt dialogue be a different color, and on the other side of the wheel is brilliant. It will allow me (a straight guy) to easily talk with someone like Cortez, without fearing that the option "It's ok, I am here for you" means "I am in the bed whenever you want to me to be".

I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but Cortez only flirts with you if you flirt first... He makes a comment about the eye candy, and you can choose to ask why he's not looking at Shep, or you can tell him you enjoy the female eye candy. There is nothing ambiguous about those options. And even if you choose to dance with him, the romance will <i>still</i> not lock in place unless you tell him you want to be more an friends.

There is no ninjamance with him, unless one is truly -that- oblivious. I thought the way his romance was handled was spectacular, all other options in various games considered. I'm largely asexual and even I'm not bothered when either gender flirts with me. It has nothing to do with being uncomfortable. People who claim this are the cause of their own discomfort.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

NGC1300 wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Adding these options shouldn't offend anyone as I said prior (if it does they have their own issues and need to mature)

Ohh the irony and hypocrisy. The only reason you and your buddies campaign for this is because you have issues and ain't mature at all. You just want to disable "teh gays" from hitting on you. Newsflash, people hit on people and can't disable each other from doing it. Deal with your insecurities and grow up

Irony in that it was your tears and constant complaining resulted in adding features that a minority of selfish individuals like yourselves benefited from while content such as ending/gameplay materals were sacrificed as a result. The entire logic as to why you were "entitled" to this content is contrary to the vary argument you make against having this option at the start. Its people like you who are so ignorant and force your agenda upon the remainder which will forever promote segregation of society on these issues. Immaturity and hypocrisy are quanities you have in abundance. Or maybe I just overestimate your intelligence and you are simply too stupid to comprehend.

And what you're demanding right now is not for selfish purpose?  and on what evidence can you be so certain that if the gay content was not included the endings would be better?  the last 4 sentences sound appalling but kinda full of BS. are you also one of those RP freaks?

and you're obviously a homophobe. can you give me the exact situation where "teh gays" make you feel insecured in the game? I don't  think people are stupid enough to not be able to distinguish the lines "I'm waiting for the right man" and "I'm waiting for the right woman"

what's the problem, exactly?

oh wait. homophobia.

Disk space and time constraints, if you had any understanding of the real world, which you clearly don't you would know it costs resources to add content, resources which could have been spent elsewhere, be that end-game/gameplay.

Keep trying, I'm right and you're wrong.


And for the record homosexuality in the future wouldn't exist to begin with, or would be VERY uncommon, and its overly represented in ME3 as it is. If its genetic which is the argument some of you give (although I was corrected by others saying it was a choice which just makes your whole argument laughable if your own community doesn't have a concrete/consistent story), then by virtue of lack of breeding capabilities, only through random mutation could it occur (and no that doesn't equate to the large precentage it composed). And if it is a choice, then well I don't even see why we should be having this discussion in the slightest, because I've invalidated everything you stand for.

My argument is selfish I suppose, but I'm mature enough to admit that, shame you aren't, but why should we appease one and not the other, and thats the entire issue here. This feature although unlikely to be implemented is no less the more correct option, logic dictates that, not your flawed emotions and lack of intellect.

Let me know if you could comprehend any of that.

[NGC1300]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

NGC1300 wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Adding these options shouldn't offend anyone as I said prior (if it does they have their own issues and need to mature)

Ohh the irony and hypocrisy. The only reason you and your buddies campaign for this is because you have issues and ain't mature at all. You just want to disable "teh gays" from hitting on you. Newsflash, people hit on people and can't disable each other from doing it. Deal with your insecurities and grow up

Irony in that it was your tears and constant complaining resulted in adding features that a minority of selfish individuals like yourselves benefited from while content such as ending/gameplay materals were sacrificed as a result. The entire logic as to why you were "entitled" to this content is contrary to the vary argument you make against having this option at the start. Its people like you who are so ignorant and force your agenda upon the remainder which will forever promote segregation of society on these issues. Immaturity and hypocrisy are quanities you have in abundance. Or maybe I just overestimate your intelligence and you are simply too stupid to comprehend.

And what you're demanding right now is not for selfish purpose?  and on what evidence can you be so certain that if the gay content was not included the endings would be better?  the last 4 sentences sound appalling but kinda full of BS. are you also one of those RP freaks?

and you're obviously a homophobe. can you give me the exact situation where "teh gays" make you feel insecured in the game? I don't  think people are stupid enough to not be able to distinguish the lines "I'm waiting for the right man" and "I'm waiting for the right woman"

what's the problem, exactly?

oh wait. homophobia.

Disk space and time constraints, if you had any understanding of the real world, which you clearly don't you would know it costs resources to add content, resources which could have been spent elsewhere, be that end-game/gameplay.

Keep trying, I'm right and you're wrong.


And for the record homosexuality in the future wouldn't exist to begin with, or would be VERY uncommon, and its overly represented in ME3 as it is. If its genetic which is the argument some of you give (although I was corrected by others saying it was a choice which just makes your whole argument laughable if your own community doesn't have a concrete/consistent story), then by virtue of lack of breeding capabilities, only through random mutation could it occur (and no that doesn't equate to the large precentage it composed). And if it is a choice, then well I don't even see why we should be having this discussion in the slightest, because I've invalidated everything you stand for.

My argument is selfish I suppose, but I'm mature enough to admit that, shame you aren't, but why should we appease one and not the other, and thats the entire issue here. This feature although unlikely to be implemented is no less the more correct option, logic dictates that, not your flawed emotions and lack of intellect.

Let me know if you could comprehend any of that.

"I'm right and you're wrong"  "I"m mature and you aren't"

defense mechanism much?

lol

so how about other six straight romances? which took even more resources than 2 gay romances. Oh the lesbian one doesn't count due to your bigotry too?. how are you gonna explain that?  because having straight relationships is fine regardless of how many there are?  is that a "mature" comprehension? and what you said is still an assumption. assumption that they would spend the resource on the ending. assumption. they might have not developed the gay content but it is still just your assumption to assume that it would be spent on the ending. certainly a slefish assumption to bold your argument to attack homosexuality due to your insecurity, too.

and now you're bringing up the "it is a choice" thingy even though you "claimed" to be straight and secured which apparently also means you don't know a thing about homosexuality, augmented your argument by what "others" say (which those "others" are probably your type) even though any intellectual person would know that what "others" say is an uneducated way to support  the argument, insulting people's intellect, bragging your own,callling youself an all-knowing entity. oh boy. can't take you seriously anymore. lol but watching a kid failing an argument is fun. so I'll give you a try.

just keep going and show the world what you've got. I've seen many of your kind in my life. wondering hwo different this on ewould turn out ot be. probably nothing new. sturggling in denying their insecurity and find themselves getting as-s-pounded in the next ten years.

Modifié par NGC1300, 07 avril 2012 - 12:20 .

[HopHazzard]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

NGC1300 wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Adding these options shouldn't offend anyone as I said prior (if it does they have their own issues and need to mature)

Ohh the irony and hypocrisy. The only reason you and your buddies campaign for this is because you have issues and ain't mature at all. You just want to disable "teh gays" from hitting on you. Newsflash, people hit on people and can't disable each other from doing it. Deal with your insecurities and grow up

Irony in that it was your tears and constant complaining resulted in adding features that a minority of selfish individuals like yourselves benefited from while content such as ending/gameplay materals were sacrificed as a result. The entire logic as to why you were "entitled" to this content is contrary to the vary argument you make against having this option at the start. Its people like you who are so ignorant and force your agenda upon the remainder which will forever promote segregation of society on these issues. Immaturity and hypocrisy are quanities you have in abundance. Or maybe I just overestimate your intelligence and you are simply too stupid to comprehend.

And what you're demanding right now is not for selfish purpose?  and on what evidence can you be so certain that if the gay content was not included the endings would be better?  the last 4 sentences sound appalling but kinda full of BS. are you also one of those RP freaks?

and you're obviously a homophobe. can you give me the exact situation where "teh gays" make you feel insecured in the game? I don't  think people are stupid enough to not be able to distinguish the lines "I'm waiting for the right man" and "I'm waiting for the right woman"

what's the problem, exactly?

oh wait. homophobia.

Disk space and time constraints, if you had any understanding of the real world, which you clearly don't you would know it costs resources to add content, resources which could have been spent elsewhere, be that end-game/gameplay.

Keep trying, I'm right and you're wrong.


And for the record homosexuality in the future wouldn't exist to begin with, or would be VERY uncommon, and its overly represented in ME3 as it is. If its genetic which is the argument some of you give (although I was corrected by others saying it was a choice which just makes your whole argument laughable if your own community doesn't have a concrete/consistent story), then by virtue of lack of breeding capabilities, only through random mutation could it occur (and no that doesn't equate to the large precentage it composed). And if it is a choice, then well I don't even see why we should be having this discussion in the slightest, because I've invalidated everything you stand for.

My argument is selfish I suppose, but I'm mature enough to admit that, shame you aren't, but why should we appease one and not the other, and thats the entire issue here. This feature although unlikely to be implemented is no less the more correct option, logic dictates that, not your flawed emotions and lack of intellect.

Let me know if you could comprehend any of that.

If it is genetic, it's almost certainly recessive. Which means straight people carry the "gay gene" as well. So it'll be around as long as straight people keep breeding. There's also the fact that gay people are using in vitro fertilization to have children right now. As science progresses, that sort of thing will only be easier in the future, not harder. Personally, I don't think it is genetic. If it were, the instance would be higher, and gay people would be statistically far more likely to have gay children, which they're not. I subscribe to the theory that it has to do with altered hormone levels during gestation, but that's not been proven. It just makes sense to me.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

NGC1300 wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

NGC1300 wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Adding these options shouldn't offend anyone as I said prior (if it does they have their own issues and need to mature)

Ohh the irony and hypocrisy. The only reason you and your buddies campaign for this is because you have issues and ain't mature at all. You just want to disable "teh gays" from hitting on you. Newsflash, people hit on people and can't disable each other from doing it. Deal with your insecurities and grow up

Irony in that it was your tears and constant complaining resulted in adding features that a minority of selfish individuals like yourselves benefited from while content such as ending/gameplay materals were sacrificed as a result. The entire logic as to why you were "entitled" to this content is contrary to the vary argument you make against having this option at the start. Its people like you who are so ignorant and force your agenda upon the remainder which will forever promote segregation of society on these issues. Immaturity and hypocrisy are quanities you have in abundance. Or maybe I just overestimate your intelligence and you are simply too stupid to comprehend.

And what you're demanding right now is not for selfish purpose?  and on what evidence can you be so certain that if the gay content was not included the endings would be better?  the last 4 sentences sound appalling but kinda full of BS. are you also one of those RP freaks?

and you're obviously a homophobe. can you give me the exact situation where "teh gays" make you feel insecured in the game? I don't  think people are stupid enough to not be able to distinguish the lines "I'm waiting for the right man" and "I'm waiting for the right woman"

what's the problem, exactly?

oh wait. homophobia.

Disk space and time constraints, if you had any understanding of the real world, which you clearly don't you would know it costs resources to add content, resources which could have been spent elsewhere, be that end-game/gameplay.

Keep trying, I'm right and you're wrong.


And for the record homosexuality in the future wouldn't exist to begin with, or would be VERY uncommon, and its overly represented in ME3 as it is. If its genetic which is the argument some of you give (although I was corrected by others saying it was a choice which just makes your whole argument laughable if your own community doesn't have a concrete/consistent story), then by virtue of lack of breeding capabilities, only through random mutation could it occur (and no that doesn't equate to the large precentage it composed). And if it is a choice, then well I don't even see why we should be having this discussion in the slightest, because I've invalidated everything you stand for.

My argument is selfish I suppose, but I'm mature enough to admit that, shame you aren't, but why should we appease one and not the other, and thats the entire issue here. This feature although unlikely to be implemented is no less the more correct option, logic dictates that, not your flawed emotions and lack of intellect.

Let me know if you could comprehend any of that.

"I'm right and you're wrong"  "I"m mature and you aren't"

defense mechanism much?

lol

so how about other six straight romances? which took even more resources than 2 gay romances. Oh the lesbian one doesn't count due to your bigotry too?. how are you gonna explain that?  because having straight relationships is fine regardless of how many there are?  is that a "mature" comprehension? and what you said is still an assumption. assumption that they would spend the resource on the ending. assumption. they might have not developed the gay content but it is still just your assumption to assume that it would be spent on the ending. certainly a slefish assumption to bold your argument to attack homosexuality due to your insecurity, too.

and now you're bringing up the "it is a choice" thingy even though you "claimed" to be straight and secured which apparently also means you don't know a thing about homosexuality, augmented your argument by what "others" say (which those "others" are probably your type) even though any intellectual person would know that what "others" say is an uneducated way to support  the argument, insulting people's intellect, bragging your own,callling youself an all-knowing entity. oh boy. can't take you seriously anymore. lol but watching a kid failing an argument is fun. so I'll give you a try.

just keep going and show the world what you've got. I've seen many of your kind in my life. wondering hwo different this on ewould turn out ot be. probably nothing new. sturggling in denying their insecurity and find themselves getting as-s-pounded in the next ten years.

If you even knew who I am you would know I find all of your romancing content, whether straight and homosexual laugjable and easily expendible, I even made a thread to that effect a while back. Additionally I didn't know illiteracy was a prerequisite for homosexuality since you clearly don't comprehend that homosexuality, means literally one sex, which includes lesbians, and gay men. And for one who speaks so much about assumptions you make equally as many about me, my philosophy is if they were to spend less time on romances, lets take all the romance options as an example because it seems I have to overexaggerate to compensate for comprehension issues you people are having, those resources would be spent on story/gameplay elements. This is reasonable to assume based on what little PR insight we have received regarding features/animations, such as holstering and what have you, the result is we would have received a stronger gameplay experience and it would have been feasible to have the endings. To be honest I am nothing short of amused by your inferiority, and your personal attacks, your unintelligent friend claimed hypocrisy, and yet you indulge in the same behavior then subsequently call me a homosexual, so you consider it an insult? I find it all laughable, I have no problem asserting my intellect over yours. Lastly sourcing "what I've heard" with respect to evidence to contrary to being genetic is reasonable since these individuals who posted claimed to be homosexual or know homosexuals (not an isolated incident), and I fail to see how it should hold more sway than your posts (aside from them being much more legible and better articulated). Get back to me when you upgrade your comprehension and literacy skills, and maybe you can discuss this maturely.

Also in response the individual who posted after you which actually had an intelligent post, I don't think its that simple, however I do believe it is a genetic thing, although there may be those individuals with psychosocial disorders which could also self identify as homosexuals which may skew the numbers (as in they may not be genetically predisposed but for whatever reason chose to identify as such). Regardless thank you for posting your thoughts on the matter, it seems intelligence is a rarity here.

[NGC1300]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

NGC1300 wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

NGC1300 wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Adding these options shouldn't offend anyone as I said prior (if it does they have their own issues and need to mature)

Ohh the irony and hypocrisy. The only reason you and your buddies campaign for this is because you have issues and ain't mature at all. You just want to disable "teh gays" from hitting on you. Newsflash, people hit on people and can't disable each other from doing it. Deal with your insecurities and grow up

Irony in that it was your tears and constant complaining resulted in adding features that a minority of selfish individuals like yourselves benefited from while content such as ending/gameplay materals were sacrificed as a result. The entire logic as to why you were "entitled" to this content is contrary to the vary argument you make against having this option at the start. Its people like you who are so ignorant and force your agenda upon the remainder which will forever promote segregation of society on these issues. Immaturity and hypocrisy are quanities you have in abundance. Or maybe I just overestimate your intelligence and you are simply too stupid to comprehend.

And what you're demanding right now is not for selfish purpose?  and on what evidence can you be so certain that if the gay content was not included the endings would be better?  the last 4 sentences sound appalling but kinda full of BS. are you also one of those RP freaks?

and you're obviously a homophobe. can you give me the exact situation where "teh gays" make you feel insecured in the game? I don't  think people are stupid enough to not be able to distinguish the lines "I'm waiting for the right man" and "I'm waiting for the right woman"

what's the problem, exactly?

oh wait. homophobia.

Disk space and time constraints, if you had any understanding of the real world, which you clearly don't you would know it costs resources to add content, resources which could have been spent elsewhere, be that end-game/gameplay.

Keep trying, I'm right and you're wrong.


And for the record homosexuality in the future wouldn't exist to begin with, or would be VERY uncommon, and its overly represented in ME3 as it is. If its genetic which is the argument some of you give (although I was corrected by others saying it was a choice which just makes your whole argument laughable if your own community doesn't have a concrete/consistent story), then by virtue of lack of breeding capabilities, only through random mutation could it occur (and no that doesn't equate to the large precentage it composed). And if it is a choice, then well I don't even see why we should be having this discussion in the slightest, because I've invalidated everything you stand for.

My argument is selfish I suppose, but I'm mature enough to admit that, shame you aren't, but why should we appease one and not the other, and thats the entire issue here. This feature although unlikely to be implemented is no less the more correct option, logic dictates that, not your flawed emotions and lack of intellect.

Let me know if you could comprehend any of that.

"I'm right and you're wrong"  "I"m mature and you aren't"

defense mechanism much?

lol

so how about other six straight romances? which took even more resources than 2 gay romances. Oh the lesbian one doesn't count due to your bigotry too?. how are you gonna explain that?  because having straight relationships is fine regardless of how many there are?  is that a "mature" comprehension? and what you said is still an assumption. assumption that they would spend the resource on the ending. assumption. they might have not developed the gay content but it is still just your assumption to assume that it would be spent on the ending. certainly a slefish assumption to bold your argument to attack homosexuality due to your insecurity, too.

and now you're bringing up the "it is a choice" thingy even though you "claimed" to be straight and secured which apparently also means you don't know a thing about homosexuality, augmented your argument by what "others" say (which those "others" are probably your type) even though any intellectual person would know that what "others" say is an uneducated way to support  the argument, insulting people's intellect, bragging your own,callling youself an all-knowing entity. oh boy. can't take you seriously anymore. lol but watching a kid failing an argument is fun. so I'll give you a try.

just keep going and show the world what you've got. I've seen many of your kind in my life. wondering hwo different this on ewould turn out ot be. probably nothing new. sturggling in denying their insecurity and find themselves getting as-s-pounded in the next ten years.

If you even knew who I am you would know I find all of your romancing content, whether straight and homosexual laugjable and easily expendible, I even made a thread to that effect a while back. Additionally I didn't know illiteracy was a prerequisite for homosexuality since you clearly don't comprehend that homosexuality, means literally one sex, which includes lesbians, and gay men. And for one who speaks so much about assumptions you make equally as many about me, my philosophy is if they were to spend less time on romances, lets take all the romance options as an example because it seems I have to overexaggerate to compensate for comprehension issues you people are having, those resources would be spent on story/gameplay elements. This is reasonable to assume based on what little PR insight we have received regarding features/animations, such as holstering and what have you, the result is we would have received a stronger gameplay experience and it would have been feasible to have the endings. To be honest I am nothing short of amused by your inferiority, and your personal attacks, your unintelligent friend claimed hypocrisy, and yet you indulge in the same behavior then subsequently call me a homosexual, so you consider it an insult? I find it all laughable, I have no problem asserting my intellect over yours. Lastly sourcing "what I've heard" with respect to evidence to contrary to being genetic is reasonable since these individuals who posted claimed to be homosexual or know homosexuals (not an isolated incident), and I fail to see how it should hold more sway than your posts (aside from them being much more legible and better articulated). Get back to me when you upgrade your comprehension and literacy skills, and maybe you can discuss this maturely.

Also in response the individual who posted after you which actually had an intelligent post, I don't think its that simple, however I do believe it is a genetic thing, although there may be those individuals with psychosocial disorders which could also self identify as homosexuals which may skew the numbers (as in they may not be genetically predisposed but for whatever reason chose to identify as such). Regardless thank you for posting your thoughts on the matter, it seems intelligence is a rarity here.

First, you're influenced by selective attention, which any intellectual persons wouldn't be easily decepted by. You only hear what you want to hear and you only see what you want to see, believe only what you want to
believe. Second, defense mechanism, you always project your self-denied flaws in you arguments on others', calling yourself "right" and "mature" every now and then as a comfort to assure yourself that your argument is still validated. You're also having a habit of using thesaurus and big words to make your arguments sound appalling and rhetorical, oblivious to the fact that it is instead sophistry and circular at best. You came here first attacking homosexual content in the game, but when faced with the questions of what about other romances, you shift your argument now to all romances, contradicting the fact that all your previous posts were pinpointed to homosexuality only. Flickering.

You're a kid. Kid at the very core. Immature and insecured. Living by making a habit of patronizing others to make youself feel superior. Probably over-compensation. Clouded by bigotry and hypocricy. Also lost in the ocean of illusion, thinking your principle is supreme and unquestionable. I suggest you socializing more with intellectual community to see where your supposed intelligence actaully fits in in the real world.

You are pathetic and you're not worth my time any longer.

Have fun trying to change something you can't change. If the deception that you have makes you feel happy, then I am happy for you.

Oh, and I don't want to know who you are. I don't want to know a person like you even exists in this universe. Continue living with your self-induced all-mighty life.

You have my last reply. Goodbye.

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NGC1300 wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

NGC1300 wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

NGC1300 wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Adding these options shouldn't offend anyone as I said prior (if it does they have their own issues and need to mature)

Ohh the irony and hypocrisy. The only reason you and your buddies campaign for this is because you have issues and ain't mature at all. You just want to disable "teh gays" from hitting on you. Newsflash, people hit on people and can't disable each other from doing it. Deal with your insecurities and grow up

Irony in that it was your tears and constant complaining resulted in adding features that a minority of selfish individuals like yourselves benefited from while content such as ending/gameplay materals were sacrificed as a result. The entire logic as to why you were "entitled" to this content is contrary to the vary argument you make against having this option at the start. Its people like you who are so ignorant and force your agenda upon the remainder which will forever promote segregation of society on these issues. Immaturity and hypocrisy are quanities you have in abundance. Or maybe I just overestimate your intelligence and you are simply too stupid to comprehend.

And what you're demanding right now is not for selfish purpose?  and on what evidence can you be so certain that if the gay content was not included the endings would be better?  the last 4 sentences sound appalling but kinda full of BS. are you also one of those RP freaks?

and you're obviously a homophobe. can you give me the exact situation where "teh gays" make you feel insecured in the game? I don't  think people are stupid enough to not be able to distinguish the lines "I'm waiting for the right man" and "I'm waiting for the right woman"

what's the problem, exactly?

oh wait. homophobia.

Disk space and time constraints, if you had any understanding of the real world, which you clearly don't you would know it costs resources to add content, resources which could have been spent elsewhere, be that end-game/gameplay.

Keep trying, I'm right and you're wrong.


And for the record homosexuality in the future wouldn't exist to begin with, or would be VERY uncommon, and its overly represented in ME3 as it is. If its genetic which is the argument some of you give (although I was corrected by others saying it was a choice which just makes your whole argument laughable if your own community doesn't have a concrete/consistent story), then by virtue of lack of breeding capabilities, only through random mutation could it occur (and no that doesn't equate to the large precentage it composed). And if it is a choice, then well I don't even see why we should be having this discussion in the slightest, because I've invalidated everything you stand for.

My argument is selfish I suppose, but I'm mature enough to admit that, shame you aren't, but why should we appease one and not the other, and thats the entire issue here. This feature although unlikely to be implemented is no less the more correct option, logic dictates that, not your flawed emotions and lack of intellect.

Let me know if you could comprehend any of that.

"I'm right and you're wrong"  "I"m mature and you aren't"

defense mechanism much?

lol

so how about other six straight romances? which took even more resources than 2 gay romances. Oh the lesbian one doesn't count due to your bigotry too?. how are you gonna explain that?  because having straight relationships is fine regardless of how many there are?  is that a "mature" comprehension? and what you said is still an assumption. assumption that they would spend the resource on the ending. assumption. they might have not developed the gay content but it is still just your assumption to assume that it would be spent on the ending. certainly a slefish assumption to bold your argument to attack homosexuality due to your insecurity, too.

and now you're bringing up the "it is a choice" thingy even though you "claimed" to be straight and secured which apparently also means you don't know a thing about homosexuality, augmented your argument by what "others" say (which those "others" are probably your type) even though any intellectual person would know that what "others" say is an uneducated way to support  the argument, insulting people's intellect, bragging your own,callling youself an all-knowing entity. oh boy. can't take you seriously anymore. lol but watching a kid failing an argument is fun. so I'll give you a try.

just keep going and show the world what you've got. I've seen many of your kind in my life. wondering hwo different this on ewould turn out ot be. probably nothing new. sturggling in denying their insecurity and find themselves getting as-s-pounded in the next ten years.

If you even knew who I am you would know I find all of your romancing content, whether straight and homosexual laugjable and easily expendible, I even made a thread to that effect a while back. Additionally I didn't know illiteracy was a prerequisite for homosexuality since you clearly don't comprehend that homosexuality, means literally one sex, which includes lesbians, and gay men. And for one who speaks so much about assumptions you make equally as many about me, my philosophy is if they were to spend less time on romances, lets take all the romance options as an example because it seems I have to overexaggerate to compensate for comprehension issues you people are having, those resources would be spent on story/gameplay elements. This is reasonable to assume based on what little PR insight we have received regarding features/animations, such as holstering and what have you, the result is we would have received a stronger gameplay experience and it would have been feasible to have the endings. To be honest I am nothing short of amused by your inferiority, and your personal attacks, your unintelligent friend claimed hypocrisy, and yet you indulge in the same behavior then subsequently call me a homosexual, so you consider it an insult? I find it all laughable, I have no problem asserting my intellect over yours. Lastly sourcing "what I've heard" with respect to evidence to contrary to being genetic is reasonable since these individuals who posted claimed to be homosexual or know homosexuals (not an isolated incident), and I fail to see how it should hold more sway than your posts (aside from them being much more legible and better articulated). Get back to me when you upgrade your comprehension and literacy skills, and maybe you can discuss this maturely.

Also in response the individual who posted after you which actually had an intelligent post, I don't think its that simple, however I do believe it is a genetic thing, although there may be those individuals with psychosocial disorders which could also self identify as homosexuals which may skew the numbers (as in they may not be genetically predisposed but for whatever reason chose to identify as such). Regardless thank you for posting your thoughts on the matter, it seems intelligence is a rarity here.

First, you're influenced by selective attention, which any intellectual persons wouldn't be easily decepted by. You only hear what you want to hear and you only see what you want to see, believe only what you want to
believe. Second, defense mechanism, you always project your self-denied flaws in you arguments on others', calling yourself "right" and "mature" every now and then as a comfort to assure yourself that your argument is still validated. You're also having a habit of using thesaurus and big words to make your arguments sound appalling and rhetorical, oblivious to the fact that it is instead sophistry and circular at best. You came here first attacking homosexual content in the game, but when faced with the questions of what about other romances, you shift your argument now to all romances, contradicting the fact that all your previous posts were pinpointed to homosexuality only. Flickering.

You're a kid. Kid at the very core. Immature and insecured. Living by making a habit of patronizing others to make youself feel superior. Probably over-compensation. Clouded by bigotry and hypocricy. Also lost in the ocean of illusion, thinking your principle is supreme and unquestionable. I suggest you socializing more with intellectual community to see where your supposed intelligence actaully fits in in the real world.

You are pathetic and you're not worth my time any longer.

Have fun trying to change something you can't change. If the deception that you have makes you feel happy, then I am happy for you.

Oh, and I don't want to know who you are. I don't want to know a person like you even exists in this universe. Continue living with your self-induced all-mighty life.

You have my last reply. Goodbye.

Pathetic, if you could read, you would know I posted what was not an attack, I said this feature wouldn't/shouldn't offend anyone. Issac Shepard began with the personal attacks. Secondly, my point about all romances was an exaggeration to get the point across, but you were still too stupid to comprehend "lets take all the romance options as an example because it seems I have
to overexaggerate to compensate for comprehension issues." Nothing short of pathetic, but at least you will be leaving now, so I do not have to endure your stupidity further. My intellect was/is also recognized academically, is yours? I would assume not. Additionally it takes only moments for me to reply to your posts during my spare time, and its worth every character typed because it provides more hilarity, even though your stupidity was getting a bit stale as I mentioned prior.

[MACharlie1]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Pathetic, if you could read, you would know I posted what was not an attack, I said this feature wouldn't/shouldn't offend anyone. Issac Shepard began with the personal attacks. Secondly, my point about all romances was an exaggeration to get the point across, but you were still too stupid to comprehend "lets take all the romance options as an example because it seems I have
to overexaggerate to compensate for comprehension issues." Nothing short of pathetic, but at least you will be leaving now, so I do not have to endure your stupidity further. My intellect was/is also recognized academically, is yours? I would assume not. Additionally it takes only moments for me to reply to your posts during my spare time, and its worth every character typed because it provides more hilarity, even though your stupidity was getting a bit stale as I mentioned prior.

Wow.

I have never seen such a spiteful, hateful post. Just sayin'. You aren't helping your arguement (which is what by the way...?) in any shape or form. 

I could go all therapist on you and ask you what about homosexuals makes you such a vile person but I really don't care. *shrug* 

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[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

MACharlie1 wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Pathetic, if you could read, you would know I posted what was not an attack, I said this feature wouldn't/shouldn't offend anyone. Issac Shepard began with the personal attacks. Secondly, my point about all romances was an exaggeration to get the point across, but you were still too stupid to comprehend "lets take all the romance options as an example because it seems I have
to overexaggerate to compensate for comprehension issues." Nothing short of pathetic, but at least you will be leaving now, so I do not have to endure your stupidity further. My intellect was/is also recognized academically, is yours? I would assume not. Additionally it takes only moments for me to reply to your posts during my spare time, and its worth every character typed because it provides more hilarity, even though your stupidity was getting a bit stale as I mentioned prior.

Wow.

I have never seen such a spiteful, hateful post. Just sayin'. You aren't helping your arguement (which is what by the way...?) in any shape or form. 

I could go all therapist on you and ask you what about homosexuals makes you such a vile person but I really don't care. *shrug* 

Am I a vile person, arguable, I'm certainly not the kind of person who is the most approachable or compassionate (understanding), but you must realize, this isn't an argument against homosexuality its an argument against stupidity. My original posts were nothing insulting intelligence or homosexuality, merely justifying the need for this thread and retroactively how this option at the beginning of the game would have certainly been the more appropriate solution, to avoid the tension and confrontation. Issacshep and his band of misfits as I'll call them came along and slandered me, and then the dynamic of he conversation changed, they continually displayed there stupidity, and I continually reinforced my superiority to them. I have no issue with valid counterarguments such as Hophazzards, nor really an objection to homosexuals in general, I actually have a couple friends who are openly homosexual, one who is no longer with us and took her own life due to a life of depression, although not directly arising from her sexual orientation. I'm also confident in that with time, homosexuality will decrease as per the genetic theory, although no specific scientific studies have been done since this like many topics is a huge ethical issue and would never get past ethics board approval. All and all I get nothing but pleasure from crushing those who have inferior mental capacities (aka stupid people), and I suppose if that makes me a vile person, so be it.

[MACharlie1]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Pathetic, if you could read, you would know I posted what was not an attack, I said this feature wouldn't/shouldn't offend anyone. Issac Shepard began with the personal attacks. Secondly, my point about all romances was an exaggeration to get the point across, but you were still too stupid to comprehend "lets take all the romance options as an example because it seems I have
to overexaggerate to compensate for comprehension issues." Nothing short of pathetic, but at least you will be leaving now, so I do not have to endure your stupidity further. My intellect was/is also recognized academically, is yours? I would assume not. Additionally it takes only moments for me to reply to your posts during my spare time, and its worth every character typed because it provides more hilarity, even though your stupidity was getting a bit stale as I mentioned prior.

Wow.

I have never seen such a spiteful, hateful post. Just sayin'. You aren't helping your arguement (which is what by the way...?) in any shape or form. 

I could go all therapist on you and ask you what about homosexuals makes you such a vile person but I really don't care. *shrug* 

Am I a vile person, arguable, I'm certainly not the kind of person who is the most approachable or compassionate (understanding), but you must realize, this isn't an argument against homosexuality its an argument against stupidity. My original posts were nothing insulting intelligence or homosexuality, merely justifying the need for this thread and retroactively how this option at the beginning of the game would have certainly been the more appropriate solution, to avoid the tension and confrontation. Issacshep and his band of misfits as I'll call them came along and slandered me, and then the dynamic of he conversation changed, they continually displayed there stupidity, and I continually reinforced my superiority to them. I have no issue with valid counterarguments such as Hophazzards, nor really an objection to homosexuals in general, I actually have a couple friends who are openly homosexual, one who is no longer with us and took her own life due to a life of depression, although not directly arising from her sexual orientation. I'm also confident in that with time, homosexuality will decrease as per the genetic theory, although no specific scientific studies have been done since this like many topics is a huge ethical issue and would never get past ethics board approval. All and all I get nothing but pleasure from crushing those who have inferior mental capacities (aka stupid people), and I suppose if that makes me a vile person, so be it.

First off, when you insult someone's intelligence, please use correct grammar. There, their and they're. The "there" you want is "their stupidity". 

Second of all...you haven't defended your arguement against "Isaac and his band of misfits". All you've done is use the "I'm right, you're wrong" claim which cannot be supported by empirical information. All you've done is spin nonsensical insults into sentences that are just insulting and degrading. 

Now, onto the topic rather then your clear sociopathy. If you're not then, I apologize but that's the way your coming off to me....

By creating an option to avoid "tension and confrontation" is a form of censorship. I know this is problamatic for you but...homosexuals exist. And there is a lot of them. It is a minority group just like any other. The only difference being that you can't tell by looking at them unlike if they're black or hispanic, etc. If Bioware were put such an option in, it would be them saying: "Homosexuals are a group of people who need to be censored because they make people uncomfortable." Now, replace homosexual with Jews, blacks, Catholic, Wiccan, whatever you can think of. Doesn't sound good, does it? The problem isn't with them - it's with you. Deal with it. You may not like that Ashley believes in God. Deal with it. You may not like XYZ. Deal with it. The way it was handled in ME3 was perfect - Cortez had three layers before he hit on you ( the first option was literally "I like men" and "I like women" ) and I don't think Kaidan hit on you once until you initiated it just before the Citadel date. And then Liara, surpringsly didn't hit on me once unlike her ME1 counterpart. I'm sorry - I just don't see the point of adding an option in the game when there already are a bunch of options built into the dialog system itself. 

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

MACharlie1 wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Pathetic, if you could read, you would know I posted what was not an attack, I said this feature wouldn't/shouldn't offend anyone. Issac Shepard began with the personal attacks. Secondly, my point about all romances was an exaggeration to get the point across, but you were still too stupid to comprehend "lets take all the romance options as an example because it seems I have
to overexaggerate to compensate for comprehension issues." Nothing short of pathetic, but at least you will be leaving now, so I do not have to endure your stupidity further. My intellect was/is also recognized academically, is yours? I would assume not. Additionally it takes only moments for me to reply to your posts during my spare time, and its worth every character typed because it provides more hilarity, even though your stupidity was getting a bit stale as I mentioned prior.

Wow.

I have never seen such a spiteful, hateful post. Just sayin'. You aren't helping your arguement (which is what by the way...?) in any shape or form. 

I could go all therapist on you and ask you what about homosexuals makes you such a vile person but I really don't care. *shrug* 

Am I a vile person, arguable, I'm certainly not the kind of person who is the most approachable or compassionate (understanding), but you must realize, this isn't an argument against homosexuality its an argument against stupidity. My original posts were nothing insulting intelligence or homosexuality, merely justifying the need for this thread and retroactively how this option at the beginning of the game would have certainly been the more appropriate solution, to avoid the tension and confrontation. Issacshep and his band of misfits as I'll call them came along and slandered me, and then the dynamic of he conversation changed, they continually displayed there stupidity, and I continually reinforced my superiority to them. I have no issue with valid counterarguments such as Hophazzards, nor really an objection to homosexuals in general, I actually have a couple friends who are openly homosexual, one who is no longer with us and took her own life due to a life of depression, although not directly arising from her sexual orientation. I'm also confident in that with time, homosexuality will decrease as per the genetic theory, although no specific scientific studies have been done since this like many topics is a huge ethical issue and would never get past ethics board approval. All and all I get nothing but pleasure from crushing those who have inferior mental capacities (aka stupid people), and I suppose if that makes me a vile person, so be it.

First off, when you insult someone's intelligence, please use correct grammar. There, their and they're. The "there" you want is "their stupidity". 

Second of all...you haven't defended your arguement against "Isaac and his band of misfits". All you've done is use the "I'm right, you're wrong" claim which cannot be supported by empirical information. All you've done is spin nonsensical insults into sentences that are just insulting and degrading. 

Now, onto the topic rather then your clear sociopathy. If you're not then, I apologize but that's the way your coming off to me....

By creating an option to avoid "tension and confrontation" is a form of censorship. I know this is problamatic for you but...homosexuals exist. And there is a lot of them. It is a minority group just like any other. The only difference being that you can't tell by looking at them unlike if they're black or hispanic, etc. If Bioware were put such an option in, it would be them saying: "Homosexuals are a group of people who need to be censored because they make people uncomfortable." Now, replace homosexual with Jews, blacks, Catholic, Wiccan, whatever you can think of. Doesn't sound good, does it? The problem isn't with them - it's with you. Deal with it. You may not like that Ashley believes in God. Deal with it. You may not like XYZ. Deal with it. The way it was handled in ME3 was perfect - Cortez had three layers before he hit on you ( the first option was literally "I like men" and "I like women" ) and I don't think Kaidan hit on you once until you initiated it just before the Citadel date. And then Liara, surpringsly didn't hit on me once unlike her ME1 counterpart. I'm sorry - I just don't see the point of adding an option in the game when there already are a bunch of options built into the dialog system itself. 

I saw the error in grammar but decided not to change it, believe it or not, I don't like the modified post aspect to anything I type, I mean what I say when I say it, the odd failed grammar and all (also its argument, why did you bold it). In reality you do choose your race using the customization option (skin colo, facial features etc), this is no different, not in the slightest, you can spin it whatever way you want to. As for the topic of censorship, aside from it not being present in your situation since it effectively hurts nobody aside from uptight individuals who overanalyze. Giving you the option doesn't censor anything, its simply the option to live it how you would, by avoiding the conflict. There was an argument on the BSN that your shepard couldn't practice religion openly or do any religious actions, this in itself is censorship of a greater population dynamic as on the world scale there are many religions and many people who subscribe to certain doctrines. The lack of representation of this or inability to incorporate by your logic is clear censorship. That was an example, one of many not an argument I am making for their benefit but rather to display your obvious narrow minded approach.  As for the options in the dialogue are too ambiguous for any conversation purpose, often you will select one option, and say something completely different than intended, the individual which suggested color coding romance dialogue would have also been reasonable.

And even moreso, even if you deny the existence of the concept, you cannot deny the existence of this thread nor the individuals who support the concept, which may conflict to your views. It is a hatecrime in its own right, is this perhaps over-stating yes, but I am no less right than I was when I pitched my original argument.

You see something wrong in me, and I see something wrong with the stupid of "society." You can spew your hate towards me all you wish, I am immune to yours and Issac shepards petty behavior.

As for dealing

[MACharlie1]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

I saw the error in grammar but decided not to change it, believe it or not, I don't like the modified post aspect to anything I type, I mean what I say when I say it, the odd failed grammar and all (also its argument, why did you bold it). In reality you do choose your race using the customization option (skin colo, facial features etc), this is no different, not in the slightest, you can spin it whatever way you want to. As for the topic of censorship, aside from it not being present in your situation since it effectively hurts nobody aside from uptight individuals who overanalyze. Giving you the option doesn't censor anything, its simply the option to live it how you would, by avoiding the conflict. There was an argument on the BSN that your shepard couldn't practice religion openly or do any religious actions, this in itself is censorship of a greater population dynamic as on the world scale there are many religions and many people who subscribe to certain doctrines. The lack of representation of this or inability to incorporate by your logic is clear censorship. That was an example, one of many not an argument I am making for their benefit but rather to display your obvious narrow minded approach.  As for the options in the dialogue are too ambiguous for any conversation purpose, often you will select one option, and say something completely different than intended, the individual which suggested color coding romance dialogue would have also been reasonable.

And even moreso, even if you deny the existence of the concept, you cannot deny the existence of this thread nor the individuals who support the concept, which may conflict to your views. It is a hatecrime in its own right, is this perhaps over-stating yes, but I am no less right than I was when I pitched my original argument.

You see something wrong in me, and I see something wrong with the stupid of "society." You can spew your hate towards me all you wish, I am immune to yours and Issac shepards petty behavior.

As for dealing

Because your race is part of your appearance and nobody "reacts accordingly" to the slider. By selecting a different race, you aren't saying "I don't want to deal with these people". Thats the whole basis of your sexuality arguement - so NPCs react accordingly so you don't have to "deal with them". As for "avoiding the conflict" - what conflict? You already have the option to avoid the conflict by not selecting "I like men" choice. Thats your toggle. The choices are "too ambiguous?" Now you cannot be serious. The choices is literally - "I like men." and "I like women." How is that ambiguous? 

And in order for something to be a hate crime, a crime would have to take place. Neither of us have committed any criminal actions. So I'm not sure where you're going with this. 

As for my...uh..."spewing hate"...yeah. You might have to point that out to me when I did that since I've been nothing but courteous to you. I've pointed out that your arguement is coming off sociopathic since you are sprinkling narcisstic and nonempathic commentary towards your opponent throughout your arguements. 

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

MACharlie1 wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

I saw the error in grammar but decided not to change it, believe it or not, I don't like the modified post aspect to anything I type, I mean what I say when I say it, the odd failed grammar and all (also its argument, why did you bold it). In reality you do choose your race using the customization option (skin colo, facial features etc), this is no different, not in the slightest, you can spin it whatever way you want to. As for the topic of censorship, aside from it not being present in your situation since it effectively hurts nobody aside from uptight individuals who overanalyze. Giving you the option doesn't censor anything, its simply the option to live it how you would, by avoiding the conflict. There was an argument on the BSN that your shepard couldn't practice religion openly or do any religious actions, this in itself is censorship of a greater population dynamic as on the world scale there are many religions and many people who subscribe to certain doctrines. The lack of representation of this or inability to incorporate by your logic is clear censorship. That was an example, one of many not an argument I am making for their benefit but rather to display your obvious narrow minded approach.  As for the options in the dialogue are too ambiguous for any conversation purpose, often you will select one option, and say something completely different than intended, the individual which suggested color coding romance dialogue would have also been reasonable.

And even moreso, even if you deny the existence of the concept, you cannot deny the existence of this thread nor the individuals who support the concept, which may conflict to your views. It is a hatecrime in its own right, is this perhaps over-stating yes, but I am no less right than I was when I pitched my original argument.

You see something wrong in me, and I see something wrong with the stupid of "society." You can spew your hate towards me all you wish, I am immune to yours and Issac shepards petty behavior.

As for dealing

Because your race is part of your appearance and nobody "reacts accordingly" to the slider. By selecting a different race, you aren't saying "I don't want to deal with these people". Thats the whole basis of your sexuality arguement - so NPCs react accordingly so you don't have to "deal with them". As for "avoiding the conflict" - what conflict? You already have the option to avoid the conflict by not selecting "I like men" choice. Thats your toggle. The choices are "too ambiguous?" Now you cannot be serious. The choices is literally - "I like men." and "I like women." How is that ambiguous? 

And in order for something to be a hate crime, a crime would have to take place. Neither of us have committed any criminal actions. So I'm not sure where you're going with this. 

As for my...uh..."spewing hate"...yeah. You might have to point that out to me when I did that since I've been nothing but courteous to you. I've pointed out that your arguement is coming off sociopathic since you are sprinkling narcisstic and nonempathic commentary towards your opponent throughout your arguements. 

"Nothing but courteous" doesn't include calling someone vile or suggesting I need therapy. Just because I take a different stance on a topic doesn't make me a clinical case, though I do concede to some narcissism. Look at the posts which they attacked me without warrant, an issue you have failed to address.

Now to my final point, trying to censor someone like me just because I share a different perspective and viewpoint is by very definition hypocrisy about what you try to promote. The original counterargument was constructive but was met with contempt. I was cast down, and branded a bigot, a hatred filled callus individual, for being who I was and you go forth and suggest in ignorance I am a blight which needs to be reformated and has something inheritly wrong.

It would be the equivalent of suggesting that all homosexuals receive therapy because clearly their different perspective (which we will attribute to who they are like my narcissism or my conflicting viewpoint which was presented in a dignified manner) on sexuality is based on who they are as people. Does this justify them being "treated" or approached as a blight? This is a rhetorical question, whereby your actions gave an answer contrary to everything you claimed to stand for and proved you to be a hypocrite.

Set up for the kill, too easy. Predictable weak minds.

And with that I move on.

[MACharlie1]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...
"Nothing but courteous" doesn't include calling someone vile or suggesting I need therapy. Just because I take a different stance on a topic doesn't make me a clinical case, though I do concede to some narcissism. Look at the posts which they attacked me without warrant, an issue you have failed to address.

Now to my final point, trying to censor someone like me just because I share a different perspective and viewpoint is by very definition hypocrisy about what you try to promote. The original counterargument was constructive but was met with contempt. I was cast down, and branded a bigot, a hatred filled callus individual, for being who I was and you go forth and suggest in ignorance I am a blight which needs to be reformated and has something inheritly wrong.

It would be the equivalent of suggesting that all homosexuals receive therapy because clearly their different perspective (which we will attribute to who they are like my narcissism or my conflicting viewpoint which was presented in a dignified manner) on sexuality is based on who they are as people. Does this justify them being "treated" or approached as a blight? This is a rhetorical question, whereby your actions gave an answer contrary to everything you claimed to stand for and proved you to be a hypocrite.

Set up for the kill, too easy. Predictable weak minds.

And with that I move on.

I never suggested you needed therapy. The context in which I'm saying you are being vile is you insulting other members. I don't care what they do and neither should you. Worry about you say. In fact, I should really take my own advice and ignore your insults.

Anyway. I don't recall you being "cast down and branded a bigot" - truthfully, I haven't read this thread all the way through. I don't need to. I know my arguements and I know your arguements. I've been through this more times then I'd care to admit. Now, moving on to the actual issue at hand which is implenting a toggle to establish PC sexuality...stop mixing your personal beefs with Isaac and other members with your arguements about the sexuality toggle. It's getting muddy and unneccessary. Your beef right now is with me. 

I'm here debating your perspective - you have yours and I have mine. And, I admit, as much as I don't agree with you. You have every right to express your opinion. Even if some might see it as hateful - I'm a firm believer in the freedom of speech no matter how unpopular it is. But keep in mind that when you open a thread like this, you are going to have a dissent. It's called debate. We may have opposing viewpoints but that is why we are discussing it.

"I support XYZ for this ABC reason." and then "I do not support XYZ for MNO reason." 

So I'll consent to the fact that nobody here should have been flinging insults like "stupid" or "homophobe" or "weak minded. But fact is, you are not helping your own position by flinging insults. They aren't and you aren't. And because you continue this by throwing insults such as "weak minded", your points come off as immature. Not that your points are immature, your presentation is what is lacking. 

Are we even discussing the toggle anymore? 

[outmane]

Sorry to interrupt the hating and homophobia. I hope you guys are getting a kick out of it cause you sure put the time and effort to insult each other...


On topic. A bit like the OP, I find myself bothered by the amount of flirting with people I dont want to flirt with in Bioware games, specially M3 and DA2. I was wondering if it was a coincidence with the addition of the s/s romances and I realized. It pretty much is just the number of availible options ans scripted 'Do you like me' dialogue I have to go through.

What bothers me is the amount of unwanted flirting, not the sex of the offender. For example, I have no problem with Isabela flirting with my FemHawke cause to me it fits her style and is pretty innoffensive. But I get bothered by Merril and Liara and Im always afraid they are gonna ninjamance my characters. I hate with a passion any interaction between FemShep and Jacob cause she is so out of character mos of the time. Hell, when I made a MaleShep to romance Kaidan, I still got annoyed by my shuttle pilot hitting on me, even if I was playing a gay Shep.

Instead of a hetero/gay toggle, how about a way to make things clear with any romancable character, thus preventing flirty dialogue with them at en early in the game. (Specially when you go all renegade on someone and its still is mandatory in his script to ask you if youre interested)


Or we could also keep arguing about homosexuality.

[ADLegend21]

People flirt with people who aren't interested in them. it happens with two straight people,it happens with two gay people DEAL WITH IT.

[Siansonea]

This thread is still going? Geez, sustained rage because a boy hit on you? That's not excessive at all.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 08 avril 2012 - 12:15 .