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[spirosz]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...


Irony in that it was your tears and constant complaining resulted in adding features that a minority of selfish individuals like yourselves benefited from while content such as ending/gameplay materals were sacrificed as a result. The entire logic as to why you were "entitled" to this content is contrary to the vary argument you make against having this option at the start. Its people like you who are so ignorant and force your agenda upon the remainder which will forever promote segregation of society on these issues. Immaturity and hypocrisy are quanities you have in abundance. Or maybe I just overestimate your intelligence and you are simply too stupid to comprehend.

You're calling them selfish? Name one or more games that have the protagonist portraying a strictly gay role (and no not ME because that was only included in ME3, unfortuntely - it's always good to have a wide variety of options for players) - I'm specifically targeting the male audience because when is there not a lesbian option. They're lucky enough to even have this option, which I'm glad.

I'd love to know how these added romances take away from ending/gameplay material, might as well take out all the romance options because they're optional and take away from gameplay, as you "proved" with your statement.

[spirosz]

Siansonea II wrote...

This thread is still going? Geez, sustained rage because a boy hit on you? That's not excessive at all.

Honestly.  

[SparkyRich]

Guldhun2 wrote...

superwarrior wrote...

@Guldhun2

What u say is besides the point. The common aim of all species is to breed and spread. Overpopulation is another matter.

Maybe overpopulation is one of the causes of homosexuality?

Funny you should say that - I had that thought a while back.  However, even in remote tribal societies where there are often fewer than 10 individuals per square mile there are occurences of homosexual behavior.

What causes it?  Who knows?  Does it affect me in the slightest?  Almost never, and when a guy hits on me I just politely tell him that I'm not interested in men - situation handled.

[Rane7685]

Since it clearly seems to bother some people an option in character gen might be ok so sort of origin, class, psych profile then sexual orientation. In sexual orientation you could have 4 options; gay,straight, bisexual and undeclared (for those who want the game to play out as it is). Its shame it bothers people so much but this is a workaround that could satisfy all parties

[MACharlie1]

Rane7685 wrote...

Since it clearly seems to bother some people an option in character gen might be ok so sort of origin, class, psych profile then sexual orientation. In sexual orientation you could have 4 options; gay,straight, bisexual and undeclared (for those who want the game to play out as it is). Its shame it bothers people so much but this is a workaround that could satisfy all parties

Wouldn't undeclared and bisexual be effectively the same option? 

It just seems the inclusion of such an option would be in making homophobes (not saying any of you fine people are - and I'm not being sarcastic) be justified. I mean, pretty it up as much as you want but in the end, it's there because some people simply don't want to deal with even the idea of a gay guy (and strangely, not a gay woman...) making some sort of quasi-pass at their macho player. I say quasi since Cortez has THREE layers of dialog to prevent ninjamancing. 

Additionally, such a option would make sexuality relevant in life. Sorry guys, but sexuality is not relevant to anything but people who choose to make it relevant. It really shouldn't matter in the least. 

[lietk12]

If I'm a paragade, can I have a switch to banish stupid decisions from the dialogue wheel, instead, say, making a decision from all available choices throughout the game? We could have a switch to turn off squad romances (I'm sure Chris Priestly would enjoy it !) for people who are bothered by squadmate romances in the game. Such a person might say, " I am speaking with a squadmate under my command having a normal conversation and suddenly that squadmate is hitting on me or confessing a romantic interest and I have no clue what the hell just happened because my shepard has clearly been going after killing enemies only? How about an option to choose to be able to have romances up front, that way the people who are in to that can have their option and I don't have to find myself uncomfortable everytime I talk with a squadmate. "
In fact, why not shift all character development into the character gen screen? We could choose to set our morality alignment (as either paragon, renegade, exactly half-paragon-half-renegade, or exactly one-quarter-paragon-three-quarters-renegade). That way, everyone will experience the joys of playing "Action Mode"!

[Jestina]

I just finished a maleshep run and could understand how some people would have problems with it. I felt like I was going through a minefield most of the time when doing conversations...between Kaidan and Cortez. The creepiest scene for me in the game was eating with Kaidan and he just kinda busts out with how he wants to get in your pants. My maleshep had been in a relationship with Liara since ME1, so that made the scene even creepier considering he knew that but was still hitting on me. I was wondering where the renegade option was to knock him out.

[darthclide]

Jestina wrote...

I just finished a maleshep run and could understand how some people would have problems with it. I felt like I was going through a minefield most of the time when doing conversations...between Kaidan and Cortez. The creepiest scene for me in the game was eating with Kaidan and he just kinda busts out with how he wants to get in your pants. My maleshep had been in a relationship with Liara since ME1, so that made the scene even creepier considering he knew that but was still hitting on me. I was wondering where the renegade option was to knock him out.

Your point makes me want to try out a gay shephard with kaiden alive (which btw, I just realized that brings the tally to 3 possible homosexuals on board the ship, so based off of the ratio of the Normandy of the known, squad-mateable, and interactable characters [this is important since anyone you don't interact with, for all intents and purposes don't really exist in the gamer's eye], the homosexual percentage on earth is 23% This just seems unlikely, and even if you justify that there will be that many gays in the future, how the hell did 3 of them end up on one ship? The probablity of that is.... sheez)
This is based off of the following characters: Joker, Edi (sort of doesn't count since she is synthetic), Liara, Kaiden, Traynor, Tali, 2 engineers on lower deck, Cortez, Vega, Shephard, Chakwaz, and Garrus. Let me know if I forgot any interactable, squad-mateable characters.

Now the reason I want to go and play this character this way isn't because I am gay, but because I am continuing to see people talk about gay ninjamancing going on, and I want to see this for myself. I know that being straight you are bombarded left and right with flirty dialogue options which just annoys me (great idea above poster to just eliminate romance all together in a toggle). People say this is happening, others say that it isn't. I should just see for myself how it is.

In regards to posts about it being "clear cut" options to let people know if you are gay for them is nice and all when it comes to the 1% of the time you are talking romance. The other 99% of the time, you are just chatting with them about random stuff. Yet the problem is that these numbers are not only exaggerated, but also a complete UNKNOWN variable on your FIRST playthrough. How am I suppose to know on my FIRST time, if this certain "dialogue option" doesn't flirt or is just a simple compliment? Like previous posters have said, Bioware left the strategy of EXACT dialogue options, because now you can click something, and it will be totally NOT what you wanted to say. All these tiny factors add up to feeling like the romance (both gay and not) is a minefield where you have to keep a minesweeper out at all times... My second time through I will know where these mines are (thanks to all you folks talking about where they are)

Character continuity was left in this game... People that you thought for sure were straight, are now "romanceable" because people complained about it.... In your case Jestina you are seen to be with a woman, so anyone in real life would automatically think, they are straight, not bi. So to have Kaiden do that to you is definitely creepy... Ironically, they will change the game for people when it comes to gay relationships, but won't change a horrible ending when they see one...

I have stated before that this option is NOT a censor, but purely a way to make a game more tailored to a player. This means that it doesn't cut out gay people from the game, or bi people, or anyone. All that it changes, is how much more romance dialogue you get with straight people vs other orientations (if you happened to choose straight). Again, I stress that this does NOT change who is in the game, but only your dialogue tree with these people. I would think that the gay community would love for a chance to have 6 options to talk with someone they love, vs 2 options that are "I love you" "I don't love you"

[FKA_Servo]

This was a bad idea the first time it was proposed. It hasn't gotten any better. If your sensibilities are so delicate that you can't countenance a gay guy in your game, you're free to vote with your wallet. You don't deserve a toggle pass from that though.

You "tailor" your game experience by not pursuing the romances you don't care for. I don't particularly like Ashley, and hey presto! I made it through three games without sleeping with her by not choosing to do so.

It's only a problem if you're deaf or illiterate.

[paspinall]

Jestina wrote...

I just finished a maleshep run and could understand how some people would have problems with it. I felt like I was going through a minefield most of the time when doing conversations...between Kaidan and Cortez. The creepiest scene for me in the game was eating with Kaidan and he just kinda busts out with how he wants to get in your pants. My maleshep had been in a relationship with Liara since ME1, so that made the scene even creepier considering he knew that but was still hitting on me. I was wondering where the renegade option was to knock him out.

Havent done a Kaiden/Male shep play through yet but really Steve its quite blatent your conversation option where it will start down that line. 

[darthclide]

I think that a new post needs to be made, to clarify that this option wouldn't eliminate gays from the game if you toggled "straight". What I would suggest, is that more dialogue options would open up depending on what you selected... I wouldn't mind gay people in the game if I selected 'straight', but maybe just keep the options about 'romancing' this individual to maybe 1 or 2 options or something (because you made it clear, by the option, that you wouldn't be interested in gay romance). This way, if you selected something other than 'gay' at the beginning, you could still switch boats mid-stream and be with Cortez. For all you people thinking that this is a 'censor'... all this would do, is reward you with more dialogue options for who you know you will be interested in. Nothing bad about that in my opinion.

[Jestina]

Having icons next a response would be helpful...because a lot of times it's kind of vague whether a response is friendly or leading to something else. Another issue is tacking romance responses onto the same part of the dialogue tree as paragon responses. Kaidan was handled really badly by the writers and he just comes off as being a sleazeball.

[SomeJetsInside]

Jestina wrote...

I just finished a maleshep run and could understand how some people would have problems with it. I felt like I was going through a minefield most of the time when doing conversations...between Kaidan and Cortez. The creepiest scene for me in the game was eating with Kaidan and he just kinda busts out with how he wants to get in your pants. My maleshep had been in a relationship with Liara since ME1, so that made the scene even creepier considering he knew that but was still hitting on me. I was wondering where the renegade option was to knock him out.

I'm sorry my sexuality makes you so violently angry. You want to knock a guy out for flirting with you?
You don't see me threatening to injure women who flirt with me. Of course, your comment makes me want to. FIght fire with fire, homophobia with heterophobia.
Bioware made the game like this. Suck it up and deal with it, wuss.

[Jestina]

Creepy behaviour is creepy behaviour no matter the sexuality. Having a friendly dinner with someone you thought of as close to being a brother...then he's hitting on you, knowing that you're in a relationship....that's just sleazy. He deserves to be knocked out.

[SomeJetsInside]

Jestina wrote...

Creepy behaviour is creepy behaviour no matter the sexuality. Having a friendly dinner with someone you thought of as close to being a brother...then he's hitting on you, knowing that you're in a relationship....that's just sleazy. He deserves to be knocked out.

What was creepy about it? You want creepy, look at Liara in the first game, going into your personel files without telling you. But I guess women can get away with being creepy because people think it's sweet or something. That aside, I wouldn't knock her out for it. Real childish.
Of course, I'm just directing malcontent at you because of your apparent heterosexist feelings about the non-straight male characters.

[Veltazar]

Jestina wrote...

Creepy behaviour is creepy behaviour no matter the sexuality. Having a friendly dinner with someone you thought of as close to being a brother...then he's hitting on you, knowing that you're in a relationship....that's just sleazy. He deserves to be knocked out.

Jestina, I am actually inclined to think that you're the creepy one for feeling like you're "going through a minefield". Kaidan's delivery stayed true to his mellow, nice guy character. It's not over the top or assertive, at all. The whole conversation was well delivered.

And buddy, all the LI's that's applicable to you will do the same even if you've romanced someone previously. Some characters may remark knowing your relationship (such as Wrex commenting on Liara being a good kisser) but Bioware made the game this way so you can transition to another romance. It's not 100% seamless, but the choices are there. Wanting to knock a guy out for opening up to you is, as SomeJetsInside has put it, childish. Honestly, if you know today or the days after may be your last, you will want to live knowing that you've tried.

Modifié par Veltazar, 13 avril 2012 - 11:04 .

[Raikas]

Jestina wrote...
then he's hitting on you, knowing that you're in a relationship....that's just sleazy.

Wait, how did that happen and who was the LI?  From everything I've seen and read, once you confirm your Shep's relationship the other potential relationships are locked out and you don't even see the options with them.  I have Kaidan alive in 4/5 games and I've only heard his romance initiation dialogue with my single Shepard.  The other-romance ones only get the friendship dinner conversation.

[Jestina]

Hervoyl wrote...

Jestina wrote...
then he's hitting on you, knowing that you're in a relationship....that's just sleazy.

Wait, how did that happen and who was the LI?  From everything I've seen and read, once you confirm your Shep's relationship the other potential relationships are locked out and you don't even see the options with them.  I have Kaidan alive in 4/5 games and I've only heard his romance initiation dialogue with my single Shepard.  The other-romance ones only get the friendship dinner conversation.

My maleshep has been in a relationship with Liara since ME1. It certainly wasn't friendly dinner conversation I got....more like a where's my renegade interrupt moment. And for those that condone hitting on someone that is in a relationship...you are in the lower than slime category.

[Veltazar]

Jestina wrote...

Hervoyl wrote...

Jestina wrote...
then he's hitting on you, knowing that you're in a relationship....that's just sleazy.

Wait, how did that happen and who was the LI?  From everything I've seen and read, once you confirm your Shep's relationship the other potential relationships are locked out and you don't even see the options with them.  I have Kaidan alive in 4/5 games and I've only heard his romance initiation dialogue with my single Shepard.  The other-romance ones only get the friendship dinner conversation.

My maleshep has been in a relationship with Liara since ME1. It certainly wasn't friendly dinner conversation I got....more like a where's my renegade interrupt moment. And for those that condone hitting on someone that is in a relationship...you are in the lower than slime category.

@Hervoyl: You will get Citadel LI confessions if you have not officially locked-in on anyone. For past imported romances you still have to reaffirm with your LI. So regardless of you romancing Liara since ME1 you have to speak with her on the Citadel to make your couple status official. If you do, all dialgoues for other romances change, they won't bother trying to woo you.

@Jestina: You fail to comprehend two things. One is the point I've mentioned above. All viable LI's will confess their feelings for you unless you have locked-in with Liara. It's just the way Bioware made the game. You don't condone Kaidan hitting on you? Lock in on Liara first, then he won't bring it up at all. Regardless, I think you're mentality of resorting to voilence is just as bad, if not worse and puts you in the "lower than slime category".

[pingupower]

I don't want to be a jerk but I think it would indeed be nice to limit the same sex thing. Kaidan hitting on my male shep (or Cortez for that matter) is rather unsettling (IRL a guy makes advances I headbutt him Krogan-style).

[Jestina]

Some are in the mentality that it's okay for him to indulge in socially unacceptable behaviour because he pulled out his ****** card(something like the race card).

[Russalka]

pingupower wrote...

I don't want to be a jerk but I think it would indeed be nice to limit the same sex thing. Kaidan hitting on my male shep (or Cortez for that matter) is rather unsettling (IRL a guy makes advances I headbutt him Krogan-style).

Insecure much?

People have been dodging both lesbian and heterosexual advances from companions for two games and suddenly it is a huge problem when a bisexual man does it?

Jestina wrote...

Some are in the mentality that it's okay
for him to indulge in socially unacceptable behaviour because he pulled
out his ****** card(something like the race card).

What unacceptable behaviour?

Modifié par Russalka, 15 avril 2012 - 12:17 .

[shepskisaac]

Jestina wrote...

Some are in the mentality that it's okay for him to indulge in socially unacceptable behaviour because he pulled out his ****** card(something like the race card).

You're just getting ridiculous now. You do realize he proposes relationship to FemShep as well if she hasn't locked-in any romance yet? I didn't see you whine "omg Kaidan is indulging in socially unacceptable behaviour with FemShep!". Neither did I see you whine about Diana Allers who also asks if you're interested in her if you haven't locked-in any romance yet. I don't see you whining how Jack or Tali are hitting on Shepard in ME2 DESPITE knowing (especially Tali) that he is involved with Ash/Liara. No, you're only talking Kaidan. What a coincidence. Who are you trying to fool?

My GayShep has been turning down quadrillion flirts and sex/relationship offers in ME1, ME2 and ME3, before he finally could get together with Cortez or Kaidan and here you are whining because you had to turn down freaking 1 guy? Who accepts is so politely he immediately tells you he still considers you a great friend? Seriously

Modifié par IsaacShep, 15 avril 2012 - 12:04 .

[Gilthanis]

Jestina wrote...

Some are in the mentality that it's okay for him to indulge in socially unacceptable behaviour because he pulled out his ****** card(something like the race card).

Are you kidding?  Do people really still think like this?

[ChildOfEden]

koyetai wrote...

 I find it really frustrating to speak with male characters in Bioware games lately ( specifically Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3).  I am speaking with a guy having a normal conversation and suddenly he is hitting on me or confessing a romantic interest and I have no clue what the hell just happened because my guy has clearly been going after the ladies?  How about an option to choose be gay up front, that way the people who are in to that can have their option and I don't have to find myself uncomfortable everytime I talk with a male character.  

Do the exact same thing you would do in real life: Say you don't roll that way, it's not like they're forcing anything on you, being gay is optional in the games.