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[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Garrus and Kaiden fall under Bi in my book.

Garrus is straight.

[shepskisaac]

Tirigon wrote...

It really isnt, and if you think it is you should probably not play RPGs because they are all about options.

But he has options. If he wanted to hook up with someone else, he would've broken up with Miranda. That's still possible. But if he doesn't want to break up with her, then what's the point in offering other options? I don't really see where's a problem in having other characters automatically switch to friendship zone if you're already commited to someone else. It makes everything clear and simple.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 18 mars 2012 - 06:11 .

[Rafe34]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Garrus and Kaiden fall under Bi in my book.

What book are you reading? Garrus isn't bi. MaleShep can't romance him. (Can he? Did I completely miss this somehow?)

Modifié par Rafe34, 18 mars 2012 - 06:10 .

[Kmead15]

Sykoschematic wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...
Where do you even get your statistics from? It's around 10%, and that's not counting people in the closet who fear for their lives because it's "wrong" in their religion or culture. Also the fact that EVERYONE is at neither extremes of 100% straight or 100% homosexual.

Sorry if I have a double post but I read this immediately after I posted and it's the most stupid thing i've seen today.

10% of the worlds 7 billion+ population is gay? Wow. That's 1 in 10 people.

Who are you trying to kid with that stupid statistic?

Gasp! 10% of the population is 1 in 10 people!? Holy hell, stop the presses, I had no idea that's what those numbers meant! Thank goodness you were here, or those people might have gotten away with baffling folk with their cryptic "percentages."

IsaacShep wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

It really isnt, and if you think it is you should probably not play RPGs because they are all about options.

But
he has options. If he wanted to hook up with someone else, he would've
broken up with Miranda. That's still possible. But if he doesn't want to
break up with her, then what's the point in offering other options? I
don't really see where's a problem in having other characters
automatically switch to friendship zone if you're already commited to
someone else. It makes everything clear and simple.

I suppose it limits you if you want to play the field or set up some dramatic love triangle. I don't really mind that they did it, though it would be interesting if some characters were still willing to flirt with a taken character and some weren't.

Modifié par Kmead15, 18 mars 2012 - 06:13 .

[Xyraphius]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

How is that realistic, though? No one can ever tell someone's sexual preferences upon meeting them.

Unless your greeting is "Hi! I'm Joe and I love to chase p***y!"

In which case, you REALLY need to learn the definition of the acronym TMI.

My drink ended up all over floor. Thank you.

[Rafe34]

Kmead15 wrote...

Sykoschematic wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...
Where do you even get your statistics from? It's around 10%, and that's not counting people in the closet who fear for their lives because it's "wrong" in their religion or culture. Also the fact that EVERYONE is at neither extremes of 100% straight or 100% homosexual.

Sorry if I have a double post but I read this immediately after I posted and it's the most stupid thing i've seen today.

10% of the worlds 7 billion+ population is gay? Wow. That's 1 in 10 people.

Who are you trying to kid with that stupid statistic?

Gasp! 10% of the population is 1 in 10 people!? Holy hell, stop the presses, I had no idea that's what those numbers meant! Thank goodness you were here, or those people might have gotten away with baffling folk with their cryptic "percentages."

We must think of the children!

[Ghost Warrior]

Rafe34 wrote...

Then... don't use the "toggle"? We're talking about something you could choose or not.

The very option itself is ridiculous. I'm not sure why I'm arguing here since that's almost definitely not gonna happen,but I am trying to understand how could somebody want that? Something that takes a bit of uniqueness of every character and makes them quite frankly unbelieveble?

I mean whatever,the game is already out and there is no such option,but...I just can't understand you people.

[K_Tabris]

Diana Allers hit on my Shepard in her sleazy way. What did I do? Got over it, not demand for the option to determine my Shepard as Allers-asexual at the beginning of the game.

[Ryo Bondiko]

Well the only problem I had with the all-bi romances in DA2 were that you sometimes had to be rather rude to avoid them. Too the point that I kinda felt bad for the NPC at times.

But now, in ME3 you can be polite while turning someone down. Cortez is a good example for it (and he is a great character anyway). If you don't want to play a gay Shep you simple point out too him that you enjoy watching the dancing half-naked asari and the case is closed. If your Shep is interested in a gay relationship he can say so as well.

With this kind of possibility I don't really need to decide what orientation Shep has beforehand. Not like everyone in real life is absolutely sure about that or doesn't change his or her mind over time.
I think the same luxury should go for Shepard as well, if you meet someone you like, why shouldn't you be able to go for him/her?
Kelly did put it best, I think: "Character matters, not race or gender."

In this light I would actually have liked more bi-options, but having Traynor, Cortez, Allers and Liara is more then good enough as well.

[Sykoschematic]

KingDan97 wrote...

Sykoschematic wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Sykoschematic wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...
Where do you even get your statistics from? It's around 10%, and that's not counting people in the closet who fear for their lives because it's "wrong" in their religion or culture. Also the fact that EVERYONE is at neither extremes of 100% straight or 100% homosexual.

Sorry if I have a double post but I read this immediately after I posted and it's the most stupid thing i've seen today.

10% of the worlds 7 billion+ population is gay? Wow. That's 1 in 10 people.

Who are you trying to kid with that stupid statistic?

http://www.gallup.co...lation-gay.aspx

So they tested around 1,000 people and have assumed that 5% of the world is gay?

Sounds legit.

You want to see the statistics, look them up yourself man, it's not my job to educate you and you can just as easily google this.
This may get you started though if you really do feel like looking into this and curing some of your ignorance on the topic.
http://en.wikipedia....i/Homosexuality 

Protip: Any study ran by a group with "ethics" or "family" in the name is going to claim that homoseuxality doesn't exist.

I'm good.

Out of the hundreds of people i've ever been around whether school, college or work i'm aware of around maybe ten gay people. You're probably in contact with a lot so you may find the gay population is higher than what it really is but I can make my own assumtions based on my experience of life.

[daguest]

koyetai wrote...

 I find it really frustrating to speak with male characters in Bioware games lately ( specifically Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3).  I am speaking with a guy having a normal conversation and suddenly he is hitting on me or confessing a romantic interest and I have no clue what the hell just happened because my guy has clearly been going after the ladies?  How about an option to choose be gay up front, that way the people who are in to that can have their option and I don't have to find myself uncomfortable everytime I talk with a male character.  

Warning, can happen IRL to.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

I don't like Anders hitting on my MHawke, this is true, but nor do I like Liara hitting on my MShep. Clearly gay vs. straight is not the problem here; it's the lack of proper, obvious, and easily avoidable romance triggers.

Modifié par Mr. Big Pimpin, 18 mars 2012 - 06:18 .

[KingDan97]

Sykoschematic wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Sykoschematic wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Sykoschematic wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...
Where do you even get your statistics from? It's around 10%, and that's not counting people in the closet who fear for their lives because it's "wrong" in their religion or culture. Also the fact that EVERYONE is at neither extremes of 100% straight or 100% homosexual.

Sorry if I have a double post but I read this immediately after I posted and it's the most stupid thing i've seen today.

10% of the worlds 7 billion+ population is gay? Wow. That's 1 in 10 people.

Who are you trying to kid with that stupid statistic?

http://www.gallup.co...lation-gay.aspx

So they tested around 1,000 people and have assumed that 5% of the world is gay?

Sounds legit.

You want to see the statistics, look them up yourself man, it's not my job to educate you and you can just as easily google this.
This may get you started though if you really do feel like looking into this and curing some of your ignorance on the topic.
http://en.wikipedia....i/Homosexuality 

Protip: Any study ran by a group with "ethics" or "family" in the name is going to claim that homoseuxality doesn't exist.

I'm good.

Out of the hundreds of people i've ever been around whether school, college or work i'm aware of around maybe ten gay people. You're probably in contact with a lot so you may find the gay population is higher than what it really is but I can make my own assumtions based on my experience of life.

Oh right, I forgot all the gay people I met had WW2 era purple triangles on their shirts, which is how I knew they were gay immediately. I didn't need to earn their trust or get to know them in any way. Maybe people can just see how intolerant you are from the way you act and choose not to trust you?

[Ryzaki]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Then... don't use the "toggle"? We're talking about something you could choose or not.

The very option itself is ridiculous. I'm not sure why I'm arguing here since that's almost definitely not gonna happen,but I am trying to understand how could somebody want that? Something that takes a bit of uniqueness of every character and makes them quite frankly unbelieveble?

I mean whatever,the game is already out and there is no such option,but...I just can't understand you people.

Because it's a game. Yes maybe to you sexuality is what makes a character unique but that's not true to everyone.

I for one couldn't care less if all the LIs were bisexual. As long as they have different personalities and morality they're different enough for me.

[Abispa]

I have read a couple of complaints about a Steve "ninjamance," and at first I was upset, but instead of writing a bunch of snarky responses I decided to actually do a Cortez romance and find out how "easy" it was to "accidentally" romance him.

Not just with Steve, but with Liara, Garrus and Kaidan it does seem like the friendships are, believably, written to be very close and emotional, and I think there is the "problem." In part it made my Shepard locked into being BFFs with these characters which limits my options of being distant and professional (not that I usually am, but at least that was an option in earlier games).

But the REAL problem is that the friendships are written a lot like classic Bioware ninjamances. In retrospect I can see how nice it is to be all out friendly with the cast and not having to worry about accidentally starting a romance since the "love" dialog is pretty damn obvious. However, until this game, similar situations from Bioware lead to the "why are you cheating on me by being nice to so and so?" and realizing that you were in a romance against your will.

In other words, you can basically do everything short of foot rub with the cast without having to worry about triggering a "ninjamance" so long as you don't take any "gifts" from Liara. Sneaky broad, that Shadowbroker.

[Parker Kincaid]

 I don't think the mainstream is ready for a game with the option to select sexuality as a player option in the settings... yet. Btw, if one is going to select heterosexual or homosexual then they have to include bisexual. To do otherwise would exclude those who are bisexual and then people would complain. More importantly, I can see a LOT of conservative and right-wing religious groups going ape**** over a player concerning sexual orientation. To them it's bad enough if homosexual characters exist in a game but to add an option for the person playing the game to specifically select an orientation? That would be the sky falling and the liberals on the left  trying to indoctrinate the youth of America and the world.


I respect BioWare for including characters of different sexual orientations in their games. I'm heterosexual and had no issues at all dealing with characters who were homosexual in the ME series. I don't have any interest in pursuing a homosexual relationship in the game. With the male NPCs I simply gained their loyalty by talking to them just like every other NPC but I never lead them on. One particular character in ME3 was easy to inform that you didn't swing that way and it didn't harm the friendship and it wasn't painful. I also was able to survive when a female NPC was not into guys. It didn't crush my ego and make me unable to live.


In short, BioWare includes characters thus far that are of different sexual orientations and that alone has resulted in them taking criticism. We haven't yet reached a point where I believe a specific setting in a game declaring the player's sexual orientation can be added without some serious serious attacks by conservative [religious] organizations. I don't think a setting for the option should ever be added, really, because it see it solely existing to placate homophobes who just can't handle dealing with anything not purely heterosexual. I really mean no offense but to the people who felt uncomfortable in conversations with characters who were clearly homosexual and those who were uncomfortable talking to a character because they didn't know but were unsure of a NPCs orientation I have to say... it's a game and sooner or later you are going to have to understand that in a game or real life people are still people and regardless of sexual orientation people can be nice or they can be idiots. Those two things are independent of each other.


PS: I think a option setting to specifically select our characters sexual orientation is silly. If [some] heterosexuals cannot handle homsexual or bisexual characters in a game then that is their problem and they need to grow up. The same goes for the real world.

Modifié par Parker Kincaid, 18 mars 2012 - 07:43 .

[Kmead15]

Sykoschematic wrote...

I'm good.

Out of the hundreds of people i've ever been around whether school, college or work i'm aware of around maybe ten gay people. You're probably in contact with a lot so you may find the gay population is higher than what it really is but I can make my own assumtions based on my experience of life.

The people you've been around in school, college, and work? That's that most random and unbiased selection of the population I can think of! Brilliant! Tell me, how did you convince all of them to define their sexulaity for you? I keep getting funny looks whenever I try.

[Ryzaki]

@Abispa: What?

There's no way you get ninja'd by Steve unless you're unbelievably idiotic or can't read. Or both.

You have 3 chances to reject him, you have to hit on him 3 times to even get him to flirt with you.

And you have to flat out tell the man you're interested in men, and then interested in him.

I'm sorry but anyone who got "ninja'd" by Steve shouldn't be playing this game. They obviously can't read.

[KingDan97]

Abispa wrote...

I have read a couple of complaints about a Steve "ninjamance," and at first I was upset, but instead of writing a bunch of snarky responses I decided to actually do a Cortez romance and find out how "easy" it was to "accidentally" romance him.

Not just with Steve, but with Liara, Garrus and Kaidan it does seem like the friendships are, believably, written to be very close and emotional, and I think there is the "problem." In part it made my Shepard locked into being BFFs with these characters which limits my options of being distant and professional (not that I usually am, but at least that was an option in earlier games).

But the REAL problem is that the friendships are written a lot like classic Bioware ninjamances. In retrospect I can see how nice it is to be all out friendly with the cast and not having to worry about accidentally starting a romance since the "love" dialog is pretty damn obvious. However, until this game, similar situations from Bioware lead to the "why are you cheating on me by being nice to so and so?" and realizing that you were in a romance against your will.

In other words, you can basically do everything short of foot rub with the cast without having to worry about triggering a "ninjamance" so long as you don't take any "gifts" from Liara. Sneaky broad, that Shadowbroker.

Steve's "ninjamance" requires you to say you're looking for the right man. It's not really a very effective way to be straight if you walk around all the time talking about how much you love the bro sex.

[AkiKishi]

I like the idea. In DA2 Anders was creepy(may have been a bug). After hearing about his "husband" I stopped talking to Cortez just in case.

[Rixxencaxx]

koyetai wrote...

 I find it really frustrating to speak with male characters in Bioware games lately ( specifically Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3).  I am speaking with a guy having a normal conversation and suddenly he is hitting on me or confessing a romantic interest and I have no clue what the hell just happened because my guy has clearly been going after the ladies?  How about an option to choose be gay up front, that way the people who are in to that can have their option and I don't have to find myself uncomfortable everytime I talk with a male character.  

Do you fear that you could like it....eventually?

[syllogi]

If done well, making all romanceable characters bisexual is the most fair solution. It allows for the fact that different players will gravitate towards different personality types, regardless of gender or sexuality. It adds to replayability, in that any given player may choose to roleplay new characters differently, and a larger selection of love interests adds to their characterization. And, if you're not romancing a character, who does it hurt if they're still a little attracted to the PC? Just let Steve or Kaidan know it's never going to happen. They get over it, and it's never brought up again.

[Kmead15]

Ryzaki wrote...

@Abispa: What?

There's no way you get ninja'd by Steve unless you're unbelievably idiotic or can't read. Or both.

You have 3 chances to reject him, you have to hit on him 3 times to even get him to flirt with you.

And you have to flat out tell the man you're interested in men, and then interested in him.

I'm sorry but anyone who got "ninja'd" by Steve shouldn't be playing this game. They obviously can't read.

Think Abispa was trying to say that people are mistaking the friendship paths as ninjamances.

[Tirigon]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

It really isnt, and if you think it is you should probably not play RPGs because they are all about options.

Limited options. They are always about limited options.

Necessarily so, because no company has the time and ressources to provide infinite options. Increasing their number as high as possible is the goal, though.

But I have a feeling talking with you about that subject is as helpful as talking to a rock, am I right?