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[nhsk]

Obvious troll is obvious, stop feeding him. He might just get bored and leave.

[Tirigon]

Kub666 wrote...

"Can we get a straight/gay/lesbian option at the beginning of the game?"

What about a furry option? Or necro? And let us not forget robots.

No I wouldnt like that. Couldnt decide between Furry and Robot.

Well if you can pick multiple ones though, I am all for it. Dating a furbot would be fun:devil:

[gamer_girl]

Better idea: make the community less homophobic. Seriously, to the people complaining about the s/s characters "hitting on Shepard" - deal with it. To say they should keep their sexuality and their interest in Shepard a secret is just plain selfish and intolerant. Why should the o/s characters be allowed to hit on Shepard if the s/s ones aren't? It's called equality you bigots.

[Sykoschematic]

Nejeli wrote...

Sykoschematic wrote...

I don't know who Zevran is but i'm pretty sure that's an accurate representation. Damn, I couldn't have a conversation with Cortez that didn't involve him being gay so I stopped talking to him after the second time I tried.

Cortez is grieving for his husband, and he feels guilty for being unable and reluctant to move on, despite it being what Robert wanted, so he ends up talking to Shepard about it when Shepard asks. Yeah, that's totally pushing his gay on you. He has more lines about ships than he does about "being gay" unless you romance him.

Would you be complaining about 'not being able to have a conversation that didn't involve him being straight' if it was a wife instead?

Since being straight is a norm of society it would therefore be a normal conversation. I would not have a problem with him grieving his wife.

[BrookerT]

Sykoschematic wrote...

Nejeli wrote...

Sykoschematic wrote...

I don't know who Zevran is but i'm pretty sure that's an accurate representation. Damn, I couldn't have a conversation with Cortez that didn't involve him being gay so I stopped talking to him after the second time I tried.

Cortez is grieving for his husband, and he feels guilty for being unable and reluctant to move on, despite it being what Robert wanted, so he ends up talking to Shepard about it when Shepard asks. Yeah, that's totally pushing his gay on you. He has more lines about ships than he does about "being gay" unless you romance him.

Would you be complaining about 'not being able to have a conversation that didn't involve him being straight' if it was a wife instead?

Since being straight is a norm of society it would therefore be a normal conversation. I would not have a problem with him grieving his wife.

that...is just so homphobic and hypocrytical

[gamer_girl]

BrookerT wrote...

Sykoschematic wrote...

Nejeli wrote...

Sykoschematic wrote...

I don't know who Zevran is but i'm pretty sure that's an accurate representation. Damn, I couldn't have a conversation with Cortez that didn't involve him being gay so I stopped talking to him after the second time I tried.

Cortez is grieving for his husband, and he feels guilty for being unable and reluctant to move on, despite it being what Robert wanted, so he ends up talking to Shepard about it when Shepard asks. Yeah, that's totally pushing his gay on you. He has more lines about ships than he does about "being gay" unless you romance him.

Would you be complaining about 'not being able to have a conversation that didn't involve him being straight' if it was a wife instead?

Since being straight is a norm of society it would therefore be a normal conversation. I would not have a problem with him grieving his wife.

that...is just so homphobic and hypocrytical

This. So Ashley's been shown as religious, should I go and protest against the inclusion of Ashley's dialogue about God simply because I don't share the same beliefs? Or maybe the gay community should protest against the inclusion of o/s dialogue because they aren't interested. Maybe we should just censor everything and cut out the narcissistic middle man for the sake of the poor poor homophobic community that has to go through the horribly traumatic sight of a video game character communicating their sexual orientation that leaves them with both physical and emotional scars, and simply unable to go on with their lives... >_>

Modifié par gamer_girl, 18 mars 2012 - 08:26 .

[RedMike512]

I found myself not wanting to talk to Cortez because I wasn't sure if I was flirting with him or just being nice to a guy who had gone through a tough time. At one point he said "I'd do anything for you", and realized I'd crossed some line.

[s8383783]

Modifié par s8383783, 18 mars 2012 - 08:29 .

[Ryzaki]

RedMike512 wrote...

I found myself not wanting to talk to Cortez because I wasn't sure if I was flirting with him or just being nice to a guy who had gone through a tough time. At one point he said "I'd do anything for you", and realized I'd crossed some line.

For you and anyone else who wants to avoid flirting with Cortez but still want to be friends.

The blue paragon line when you're trying to suggest him to go to the Citadel is vaguly flirty.

Other than that just tell him your PC is into women (if that's the case) or that you're simply friends. Either way and he shouldn't flirt with Shep. Easy as pie.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mars 2012 - 08:33 .

[Sykoschematic]

gamer_girl wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

Sykoschematic wrote...

Nejeli wrote...

Sykoschematic wrote...

I don't know who Zevran is but i'm pretty sure that's an accurate representation. Damn, I couldn't have a conversation with Cortez that didn't involve him being gay so I stopped talking to him after the second time I tried.

Cortez is grieving for his husband, and he feels guilty for being unable and reluctant to move on, despite it being what Robert wanted, so he ends up talking to Shepard about it when Shepard asks. Yeah, that's totally pushing his gay on you. He has more lines about ships than he does about "being gay" unless you romance him.

Would you be complaining about 'not being able to have a conversation that didn't involve him being straight' if it was a wife instead?

Since being straight is a norm of society it would therefore be a normal conversation. I would not have a problem with him grieving his wife.

that...is just so homphobic and hypocrytical

This. So Ashley's been shown as religious, should I go and protest against the inclusion of Ashley's dialogue about God simply because I don't share the same beliefs? Or maybe the gay community should protest against the inclusion of o/s dialogue because they aren't interested. Maybe we should just censor everything and cut out the narcissistic middle man for the sake of the poor poor homophobic community that has to go through the horribly traumatic sight of a video game character communicating their sexual orientation that leaves them with both physical and emotional scars, and simply unable to go on with their lives... >_>

Is it me or do all the gays and gay sympathisers result to trying to belittle those who don't share their views?
Just my views.

To put a spin on your little phrase: Not everybody has to like homosexuality. Get used to it.

Don't be mad, bro.

[Chun Hei]

Sykoschematic wrote...

Since being straight is a norm of society it would therefore be a normal conversation. I would not have a problem with him grieving his wife.

[Vaktathi]

Sykoschematic wrote...

Since being straight is a norm of society it would therefore be a normal conversation. I would not have a problem with him grieving his wife.

Being Asian isn't a norm of north american society either. It's estimated that roughly as many people are Asian in the US as they are homosexual. Should we apply the same thing to being Asian or any other sort of "societal non-norm"?

Hell no. 


We are talking about a game universe set in the future with a melting pot of all species and a roughly united human race. It's unlikely society in the future will care about such things, at least not as much as society does now. If humans can have relationships with alien species, I don't see what's so weird about homosexuality. 

Modifié par Vaktathi, 18 mars 2012 - 08:35 .

[gamer_girl]

Sykoschematic wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

Sykoschematic wrote...

Nejeli wrote...

Sykoschematic wrote...

I don't know who Zevran is but i'm pretty sure that's an accurate representation. Damn, I couldn't have a conversation with Cortez that didn't involve him being gay so I stopped talking to him after the second time I tried.

Cortez is grieving for his husband, and he feels guilty for being unable and reluctant to move on, despite it being what Robert wanted, so he ends up talking to Shepard about it when Shepard asks. Yeah, that's totally pushing his gay on you. He has more lines about ships than he does about "being gay" unless you romance him.

Would you be complaining about 'not being able to have a conversation that didn't involve him being straight' if it was a wife instead?

Since being straight is a norm of society it would therefore be a normal conversation. I would not have a problem with him grieving his wife.

that...is just so homphobic and hypocrytical

This. So Ashley's been shown as religious, should I go and protest against the inclusion of Ashley's dialogue about God simply because I don't share the same beliefs? Or maybe the gay community should protest against the inclusion of o/s dialogue because they aren't interested. Maybe we should just censor everything and cut out the narcissistic middle man for the sake of the poor poor homophobic community that has to go through the horribly traumatic sight of a video game character communicating their sexual orientation that leaves them with both physical and emotional scars, and simply unable to go on with their lives... >_>

Is it me or do all the gays and gay sympathisers result to trying to belittle those who don't share their views?
Just my views.

To put a spin on your little phrase: Not everybody has to like homosexuality. Get used to it.

Don't be mad, bro.

Is it just me or do all the homophobes try to justify being homophobes?

Very few people like homophobes. Get used to it.

Don't be intolerant, bro.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 18 mars 2012 - 08:41 .

[NewUszi]

I never had a problem.  Seems to me like they gave you pretty strong dialogue choices where you're two options are like, "I'm OK with you hitting on me," or "Not gay sorry."

One of your response options to Cortez is literally like, "Nah man, I'm scoping the ladies."  And from that point on Cortez never tries to hit on you again.

[Shinobu]

Planeforger wrote...

They should have made the game more realistic, and randomly selected your sexuality for you at the start of the game, without you being aware of it.

So, for example, a fifth of the Shepards in Mass Effect 3 might find out that they've actually been in the closet all along (if not earlier in the series).

Why has no RPG done this yet?

Bwa ha ha ha! I love it!

[MACharlie1]

Sykoschematic wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

Sykoschematic wrote...

Nejeli wrote...

Sykoschematic wrote...

I don't know who Zevran is but i'm pretty sure that's an accurate representation. Damn, I couldn't have a conversation with Cortez that didn't involve him being gay so I stopped talking to him after the second time I tried.

Cortez is grieving for his husband, and he feels guilty for being unable and reluctant to move on, despite it being what Robert wanted, so he ends up talking to Shepard about it when Shepard asks. Yeah, that's totally pushing his gay on you. He has more lines about ships than he does about "being gay" unless you romance him.

Would you be complaining about 'not being able to have a conversation that didn't involve him being straight' if it was a wife instead?

Since being straight is a norm of society it would therefore be a normal conversation. I would not have a problem with him grieving his wife.

that...is just so homphobic and hypocrytical

This. So Ashley's been shown as religious, should I go and protest against the inclusion of Ashley's dialogue about God simply because I don't share the same beliefs? Or maybe the gay community should protest against the inclusion of o/s dialogue because they aren't interested. Maybe we should just censor everything and cut out the narcissistic middle man for the sake of the poor poor homophobic community that has to go through the horribly traumatic sight of a video game character communicating their sexual orientation that leaves them with both physical and emotional scars, and simply unable to go on with their lives... >_>

Is it me or do all the gays and gay sympathisers result to trying to belittle those who don't share their views?
Just my views.

To put a spin on your little phrase: Not everybody has to like homosexuality. Get used to it.

Don't be mad, bro.

That tends to happen when you say a group of people are essentially beneath the "normal folk" or are "evolutionary defective." <_<

[Xyraphius]

Sykoschematic wrote...

Is it me or do all the gays and gay sympathisers result to trying to belittle those who don't share their views?
Just my views.

To put a spin on your little phrase: Not everybody has to like homosexuality. Get used to it.

Don't be mad, bro.

This has nothing to do with "liking". You can be tolerant and respectful of something without having to like it.

Being intolerant to the point of being ignorant, narrow-minded, and just plain disrespectful warrants sharp comments all around. It doesn't make either side more "right."

Aside from a few generalized comments and stereotypes, I haven't seen much worthy of being called "belittling".

Modifié par Xyraphius, 18 mars 2012 - 08:59 .

[Walrusninja]

Honestly, I don't think he's trolling, I think he meant what he said. If people could get past their own agenda's for a second, what he's suggesting is basically completely neutral. It's kind of "streamlined" but it's as valid as anything esle brought to the table.

[Agent_Dark_]

Heather Cline wrote...

Cortez and Traynor were handled well with their romance options. The whole s/s with Traynor's romance scene though needs improvement with the whole shower thing being in under clothing and femshep being fully clothed. That's just plain stupid.

Wait... Traynor is gay?  Now I feel bad that my Shep pretty much p***y teased her all along.... D:  I figured Shep was just getting all horn-dog trying to invite her into the shower, and didn't think any more of it lol. 

Modifié par Agent_Dark_, 18 mars 2012 - 08:59 .

[BatmanPWNS]

Bah, I accidently said "I'll do anything for you" to Cortez. I'll pretend that was just being friendly. At least you get to tell him your taste when you go into the bar.
Plus, is it me, or when you tell Vega he can call you Loco/Lola, Shep goes into some wierd position with his shoulder being a bit high.

[android654]

gamer_girl wrote...

Sykoschematic wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

Sykoschematic wrote...

Nejeli wrote...

Sykoschematic wrote...

I don't know who Zevran is but i'm pretty sure that's an accurate representation. Damn, I couldn't have a conversation with Cortez that didn't involve him being gay so I stopped talking to him after the second time I tried.

Cortez is grieving for his husband, and he feels guilty for being unable and reluctant to move on, despite it being what Robert wanted, so he ends up talking to Shepard about it when Shepard asks. Yeah, that's totally pushing his gay on you. He has more lines about ships than he does about "being gay" unless you romance him.

Would you be complaining about 'not being able to have a conversation that didn't involve him being straight' if it was a wife instead?

Since being straight is a norm of society it would therefore be a normal conversation. I would not have a problem with him grieving his wife.

that...is just so homphobic and hypocrytical

This. So Ashley's been shown as religious, should I go and protest against the inclusion of Ashley's dialogue about God simply because I don't share the same beliefs? Or maybe the gay community should protest against the inclusion of o/s dialogue because they aren't interested. Maybe we should just censor everything and cut out the narcissistic middle man for the sake of the poor poor homophobic community that has to go through the horribly traumatic sight of a video game character communicating their sexual orientation that leaves them with both physical and emotional scars, and simply unable to go on with their lives... >_>

Is it me or do all the gays and gay sympathisers result to trying to belittle those who don't share their views?
Just my views.

To put a spin on your little phrase: Not everybody has to like homosexuality. Get used to it.

Don't be mad, bro.

Is it just me or do all the homophobes try to justify being homophobes?

Very few people like homophobes. Get used to it.

Don't be intolerant, bro.

Agreed, bigotry is never justified.

[Nejeli]

Parker Kincaid wrote...

Exactly! Cortez was grieving and mentioned he had lost his husband and later mentions his husband's name in the convos. The point of it all is that he hasn't moved on from the loss. Are homosexuals not allowed to grieve loss while heterosexuals are? A male Shepard can talk to Cortez, support him, tell him that he has to move on, and clearly let Cortez that he's into women, and everything works out just fine. People having an issue with Cortez "always" talking about being gay are simply full of it and, frankly, probably talked to Cortez all of twice and just wrote him off as an evil homosexual character who will never stop talking about being gay.

Cortez doesn't even talk about being gay, unless you consider casually talking about his husband to be the same thing. You never once have a conversation about him Being Gay And What That Means. He doesn't constantly go on about how he found men hot or wanted to do Shepard (unless you romance him, of course) or anything. He doesn't even respond to Vega's 'you know you like it' comment. So, yeah, I don't get it either.

Sykoschematic wrote...

Since being straight is a norm of
society it would therefore be a normal conversation. I would not have a
problem with him grieving his wife.

... Wow. Well, I guess at least you're owning your bigotry?

[Parker Kincaid]

Sykoschematic wrote...

Is it me or do all the gays and gay sympathisers result to trying to belittle those who don't share their views?
Just my views.

To put a spin on your little phrase: Not everybody has to like homosexuality. Get used to it.

Don't be mad, bro.

Is it just me or is it the fact that people with issues relating to homosexuality go out of their way to complain any time it exists anywhere they see it and want a way to avoid it and not see it at all even though it exists and isn't going away? Aren't the homophobes and people against the inclusion of the homosexual characters belittling the very existence of homosexuality and homosexuals themselves? Homosexuals are normal people, too, and they do play computer games just like heterosexual people. People don't have to be a part of the lifestyle but at least be able to acknowlege it. It isn't hurting you and it isn't contagious.

Btw, why isn't there a setting to remove romance altogether? I mean, not everyone wants romantic stuff in their game. Wait a second... a setting/option isn't needed for that because people have the ability to not engage in a romantic relationship with anyone!

Add a setting to remove any religion or religious beliefs to appease atheists or people of different religions. Add a setting to remove any concept of evolution in a game because that may upset people who don't believe in evolution. These settings I am suggesting are intentionally absurd and they should never be added but if a setting for sexual orientation is added then why not the ones I just mentioned?

I'm not attempting to belittle anyone but I do expect human beings to acknowledge, respect, and accept people who might not be of the same beliefs. The simple fact is there are homosexual and bisexual characters in BioWare games. No one says anyone has to like homosexuality. No one is forced to engage in a sexual or romantic relationship with the homosexual/bisexual characters. People need to accept that they exist and move on.

Modifié par Parker Kincaid, 18 mars 2012 - 11:33 .

[Parker Kincaid]

Nejeli wrote...

Parker Kincaid wrote...

Exactly! Cortez was grieving and mentioned he had lost his husband and later mentions his husband's name in the convos. The point of it all is that he hasn't moved on from the loss. Are homosexuals not allowed to grieve loss while heterosexuals are? A male Shepard can talk to Cortez, support him, tell him that he has to move on, and clearly let Cortez that he's into women, and everything works out just fine. People having an issue with Cortez "always" talking about being gay are simply full of it and, frankly, probably talked to Cortez all of twice and just wrote him off as an evil homosexual character who will never stop talking about being gay.

Cortez doesn't even talk about being gay, unless you consider casually talking about his husband to be the same thing. You never once have a conversation about him Being Gay And What That Means. He doesn't constantly go on about how he found men hot or wanted to do Shepard (unless you romance him, of course) or anything. He doesn't even respond to Vega's 'you know you like it' comment. So, yeah, I don't get it either.

Valid point, Nejeli. In the early conversation clearly lets you know that he is and thusly about 99% of people would consider that being him talking about being gay. You're right, however, that he really isn't. He's simply letting you know of a loss and that he's grieving. That's not talking about being gay.

Modifié par Parker Kincaid, 18 mars 2012 - 09:42 .

[Joker1117]

I've been wanting an option like this for a long time. It would be nice in future games.