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[Parker Kincaid]

Agent_Dark_ wrote...

Wait... Traynor is gay?  Now I feel bad that my Shep pretty much p***y teased her all along.... D:  I figured Shep was just getting all horn-dog trying to invite her into the shower, and didn't think any more of it lol. 

Pay attention to what she says in the game. Especially pay attention to what she says the first time you interact with her.

EDIT: Edited post because I had included spoiler info. I thought the post was in a section allowing spoilers.

Modifié par Parker Kincaid, 18 mars 2012 - 09:40 .

[android654]

Parker Kincaid wrote...

Agent_Dark_ wrote...

Wait... Traynor is gay?  Now I feel bad that my Shep pretty much p***y teased her all along.... D:  I figured Shep was just getting all horn-dog trying to invite her into the shower, and didn't think any more of it lol. 

Pay attention to what she says in the game. Especially pay attention to what she says the first time you interact with her.

EDIT: Edited post because I had included spoiler info. I thought the post was in a section allowing spoilers.

YEah, I don't know how anyone could miss Traynor. SHe's was pretty forward and comments on EDI's voice a few times.

[Fidget6]

I have never, never, never been ninjamanced by a character of the same sex if I didn't choose to romance them myself. I always choose who I want to romance from the beginning and have never had an issue with other characters "ninjamancing" me. The closest that's come is Liara, it seems whenever I'm playing femshep romancing Kaidan, no matter what there ends up being a rumor that me and Liara are in a relationship, which of course I always shoot down and that's the last I hear of it. Pay attention to what you're freaking saying before you say it. If you end up flirting with a guy, it's no one's fault but your own for not paying attention. Choosing your sexuality at the beginning of a game would be juvenile and silly. Even if you do happen to pick the wrong option and get hit on by a guy, tough! You always have the option of telling them you're not interested. In real life straight guys sometimes get hit on because someone mistook them for being gay too. It happens, deal with it. There are much more important issues in the world.....

[Agent_Dark_]

I thought she was just kinda awed by Shepard tbh. I didn't pay that much attention to it really. But then I invited her up and thought 'wait a minute' but then just ended up playing Chess without even really realising I turned her down (like I said, I just figured Femshep was being a horn-dog with the shower comment haha).

Anyway, she certainly wasn't as obvious as Cortez was. Hell, at times I was thinking 'lol dude, aren't you gay?' when he was talking to femshep. Probably thinking 'damm, if only she had the right bits '

[Tirigon]

android654 wrote...

YEah, I don't know how anyone could miss Traynor. SHe's was pretty forward and comments on EDI's voice a few times.

TBH I dont see how talking about an AI having a nice voice makes one gay. Especially since at the time Traynor says what she says, EDI is very much bodiless and as such not female.

[Orthodox Infidel]

I can't be bothered to read all of the pages of this thread, but do any of you walk around with a giant sign declaring your sexuality to every stranger you meet? (married/engaged people wearing rings don't count)

Seriously, this suggestion is silly. Sometimes, in real life, people misinterpret the way you feel about them and hit on you. Then you explain to them you're not interested, for whatever reason. Sometimes, these people are of the same sex you are. It's part of life. Deal with it.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Garrus and Kaiden fall under Bi in my book.

Garrus is straight.

*Taps head*

Not up here.

Or down there.

Gay Bow  Chicka Bow Wow!

*limps wrist in a comical fashion*

[Parker Kincaid]

Tirigon wrote...

TBH I dont see how talking about an AI having a nice voice makes one gay. Especially since at the time Traynor says what she says, EDI is very much bodiless and as such not female.

When apologizing about that Traynor blushes. The behavior, to me, gave some insight. Personally, I couldn't care less if she was into guys, girls, hermaphrodites, aliens, gremlins, or trolls. At the end of the day she's a person and that's all that matters. It was just something I picked up on pretty quickly and in ME3 the characters that were homosexual either flat out told you in your first conversation or dropped a hint. There are some other things I noticed during the game regarding Traynor that indicated things. Maybe smaller things but taking the bits of info and putting them together let you know who she is. She's just more subtle than others. Nonetheless, from my first introduction to Traynor I picked up on it and I know I'm not alone.

[Parker Kincaid]

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

I can't be bothered to read all of the pages of this thread, but do any of you walk around with a giant sign declaring your sexuality to every stranger you meet? (married/engaged people wearing rings don't count)

Seriously, this suggestion is silly. Sometimes, in real life, people misinterpret the way you feel about them and hit on you. Then you explain to them you're not interested, for whatever reason. Sometimes, these people are of the same sex you are. It's part of life. Deal with it.

Thank you for posting such clear and true common sense. I'm not being sarcastic. You've summed things up both with respect to the suggested feature and real life.

[Tirigon]

Parker Kincaid wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

TBH I dont see how talking about an AI having a nice voice makes one gay. Especially since at the time Traynor says what she says, EDI is very much bodiless and as such not female.

When apologizing about that Traynor blushes. The behavior, to me, gave some insight.

Indeed - for example, it gave me the insight that Joker might have to compete with a pretty Tech expert when he wants to get it on with EDI:devil:

It is just that I dont consider EDI as female, and therefore being attracted to her not as a sign of being lesbian in her case, nor as a sign of Joker being straight.

OK, she has a female body. But as an AI, she could as well upload herself into a male android, or a completely non-human object (like a ship, for example, which as a matter of fact, she is for the most part).

[gamer_girl]

Traynor had dialogue with Allers that indicated she was gay. Something like "How do people react to such a... Feminine news reporter?" Said in a seductive manner. Though many probably didn't notice cause nobody gives a terd about Allers.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

gamer_girl wrote...

Traynor had dialogue with Allers that indicated she was gay. Something like "How do people react to such a... Feminine news reporter?" Said in a seductive manner. Though many probably didn't notice cause nobody gives a terd about Allers.

Allers is the Meg of the ME universe.

[superwarrior]

Hold you horses. I have to say, that people are getting way too emotional and snarky every time this topic comes up. The OP does not sound like he's trolling. The thing is having read through this thread so far, you guys are accusing the OP of bigotry and talk about equality and at the same time request for more choice which incidentally led Bioware to include male gay options in ME3. By that SAME token of choice, you can't force people to accept homosexuality. He's asking for an OPTION to be included so he won't be exposed to it because he's not comfortable with it. He DIDN'T ask for homosexual elements to be removed for those who are so inclined. He wasn't rude or snarky, but many who posted here are. I would welcome that option, and homosexual options for those who want it. Then everyone gets a little something.

Please don't twist his and others' opinions to extremes and claim them homophobes to push your argument. He wasn't trolling.

And "Deal with it" is overused, irritating and cuts both ways; you guys have to deal with the fact that he has a valid and non-trolling request. And no, we are not all homophobes asking for homosexuals to be persecuted. You simply can't FORCE tolerance. An option at the character setting stage is a good and fair suggestion for future games.

[FatalX7.0]

This topic is silly.

But, since I always play a nice guy, everyone ends up wanting to romance me.

And I only want to Romance Tali. D; Or Liara. I dunno yet.

Point is, if you're playing a nice guy, you'll be going down the romance path with just about everyone in the galaxy.

[gamer_girl]

@superwarrior fact still remains people don't take kindly to homophobes. Simply wanting the dialogue of them not even openly flirting, but subtlely suggesting something gone (I know just for him but that requires more work on the part of BioWare) because it's apparently that painfully traumatic and scarring does show that he has some form of a discriminitory attitude towards gays. Can you not see why that creates hostility?

[Irohh]

I actually didnt know which characters were gay LI, and every time I talked with James I though he would hit on me or something xD

But Im ok with how things were handled really.

[superwarrior]

@gamergirl. Discomfort does not necessarily always equate to hostility. Can't speak for OP on this, but imagine this: Your friend smokes but you don't like it. So when he lights up you might walk away for a while until he finishes. Then you resume your convo or whatever. Doesn't mean you drop him as a friend just like that.

I do the same with my gay friends. I'm just not comfortable with it even if trying if they get too physical in front of me. By the same token, they do the same to me if i was that way with a girl. But we remain friends. No probs with each other. That's tolerance and understanding. We don't do what we know is uncomfortable in front of each other. I can't force him to be comfortable with me and girl being physical anymore than he can force me. And everyone gets along.

An option request by OP at game start is a reasonable. And turning on/off homosexual options in a game like ME3 is not difficult at all. Just turn off certain conversations and cut scenes. That way there'll be ZERO chance for straight player to run into gay scenarios if he chose or misread certain options, and gay people will not be irritated by getting hit on by straight characters.

And everyone'll have one less thread to argue about.

[superwarrior]

@gamergirl. Discomfort does not necessarily always equate to hostility. Can't speak for OP on this, but imagine this: Your friend smokes but you don't like it. So when he lights up you might walk away for a while until he finishes. Then you resume your convo or whatever. Doesn't mean you drop him as a friend just like that.

[superwarrior]

Sorry double post.

[Abispa]

The OP said he wants an option to state the hero's sexual preference at the start of the game. Really, since this is a ROLE PLAYING GAME and sexuality only comes into play when choosing LIs, a "toggle" isn't necessary. Allow the hero to hit on anyone s/he wants to (and be turned down at least occasionally), and give the player the option to turn down anyone's advances if the writers want to write flirtatious characters like Zevran, Isabela, or the Asari (no more having Shepard automatically smile each time an Asari hits on him/her).

As for ME3, the fear of ninjamancing is unwarranted. You can almost literally give all the LIs foot-rubs and s/he won't assume there's a romance unless you tell him/her you find him/her attractive and that you want a relationship. Even telling Steve, "I'm there for you, Steve!" doesn't start a romance. In a way that isn't completely realistic, but that IS an in-game toggle.

[Abispa]

superwarrior wrote...

An option request by OP at game start is a reasonable. And turning on/off homosexual options in a game like ME3 is not difficult at all. Just turn off certain conversations and cut scenes. That way there'll be ZERO chance for straight player to run into gay scenarios if he chose or misread certain options, and gay people will not be irritated by getting hit on by straight characters.

And everyone'll have one less thread to argue about.

But the option to turn off homosexuality (or hetersexuality)  IS PRETTY DOG DAMN OFFENSIVE. I am not gay, but believe you me, if someone started a thread complaining that Bioware is introducing too many Hispanic characters into ME3, even forcing people to hear Vega speaking Spanish in an English version of the game, I would go ballistic. Of all the vile, evil, socially twisted things the player is exposed to in Bioware games, and is even allowed to participate in,  that it should be the depiction of a race, ethnic group, or sexual persuasion that needs to be filtered out of a Rated M game would be the epitome of bad comedy.

[Orthodox Infidel]

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And "Deal with it" is overused, irritating and cuts both ways; you guys have to deal with the fact that he has a valid and non-trolling request. And no, we are not all homophobes asking for homosexuals to be persecuted. You simply can't FORCE tolerance. An option at the character setting stage is a good and fair suggestion for future games.

Since I was one who said "deal with it," I'll address this.

I didn't think the OP was trolling. I still think the request is silly, for the reason I outlined; aside from people who are married or engaged, nobody in reality wears a giant sign declaring their sexual orientation or preferences to every stranger. I mean, I would love it if, at the start of my life, everyone I'd ever meet would know that I want to only be approached by females I find attractive, but that doesn't happen. When gay men or unattractive women are attracted to me in reality I have to eventually face the awkwardness of the situation and resolve it somehow. I'm not "forced" into tolerance, except by the legal system and whatever religious or ethical codes I follow. I mean, unless you consider the absense of a renegade interrupt to shoot Cortez in the face "forcing you into tolerance." I don't think you or the OP meant that, but, what in-game action would you rather take then the ones offered?

Further, the other character creation options are mostly about reputation which shapes what other characters in the universe think about Shepard. Shepard is famous for killing lots of Batarians (either heroicly on Elysium or ruthlessly on Torfan) or surving the thresher maw on Akuze.  Shepard's place of birth is in his file, which is why Udina, Hackett, and Anderson talk about it right at the beginning on ME1. I'm pretty sure that regardless of whatever Shepard's sexual history is (and he's 29 in ME1, so he probably has a sexual history) it wouldn't be widely known. The other love interests only know about what you did in ME1 and 2 because they've either been with you for the past six months or they're reading some kind of intelligence reports on your activities.

I don't mean to be insulting, I'm actually really trying hard not to be insulting to anyone. But it's silly that you're willing to take on saving the entire galaxy, a burden that nobody can really bear, but can't deal with unwanted sexual interest, which happens to everyone all the time.

[superwarrior]

@Abispa

The topic is too vast and will certainly get sidetracked to the extent of this thread being locked, so i don't really want to write a long post. But i'll say this; tolerance is not acceptance and vice versa. I will not argue pro or anti homosexuality or race etc., but the fact remains that majority of the world has not accepted homosexuality. Short of countries which execute gays, others tolerate but will not promote it. That's reality to date and i think unlikely to change any time soon. Even the west ( supposedly more freedom than other countries, subjective i know ) is still wrangling with this issue. Bioware HAS to be aware of this. It's all about who BW wants to target; it's their game and their right. But i suspect that if they keep upping the gay elements bit by bit per game like a medicine dosage in the hopes of testing tolerance then i'd guess that they are going to breach a point at some stage where it'll be detrimental to them ( just my guess). Like it or not, sexual preferences and race issues are separate things for most people. That's reality so far, my message is that and not anti or pro.

[superwarrior]

@Orthodox Infidel

I'm glad u r not being rude. I note your point in principle. But in principle it's too generalised. Fact is this is a game where players KNOW ( i hope so anyway! ) it's a game and have probably played myriad games where shooting and slicing game characters is norm so long as they know it's a game and not execute their hobbies in real life ( yes i know there are cases where crazy people kill after playing a game ). But i guess we're still at a stage where homosexuality is still a very touchy for many cultures. Like i said in the above post, it's BW's call. I just think they may push the envelope too far where it may hurt their business. The debacle over DA2 was the start ( to be honest they didn't handle anders etc well; it does kind of feel in-yer-face , the ME3 (before launch when announcing gay shephard) caused a ruckus as well at the time. If the pattern persists, BW may even up gay elements in their future games. Hence it's probably better for them to instill a starting option ( right or wrong is besides the point ) and that may save a world of headaches and controversies for them.