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[Abispa]

@ superwarrior -- Bioware, EA, Microsoft, Bethesda, and, soon, Capcom are already introducing and/or expanding their s/s content. Clearly there is a market for it beyond 1% of the population. Maybe there are more gays out there than people think, maybe the number of gay gamers is disproportionally high in RPGs, or maybe "straight" people don't mind role-playing gay characters. So long as s/s romances are OPTIONS in a game, there is no problem.

Also, I am an old dude. Born just in time to see the Beatles brake up. In that time I have seen tolerance for s/s couples and exposure in the media increase noticeably every year. There was a time that I remember when we had to put up with people openly complaining about "colored people," "Mexicans," "Queers," and "Radical Feminists." We were told to accept them. "Realize" that America was pushing the envelope already and it would be too much for some people if things kept changing.

It wasn't something I had much patience for when I was younger when talking about race in media, and it isn't something I have much tolerance for now when talking about s/s optional content in a RPG video game.

Modifié par Abispa, 19 mars 2012 - 01:04 .

[gamer_girl]

@superwarrior I can't believe you so callously compared homosexuality to smoking. People don't like to be around smokers because a) it smells like death it can *cause* death. If homosexuality seems that damaging to you, then you quite frankly make me sick to my stomach.

[Walrusninja]

That's very offensive to smokers gamer girl.

Modifié par Walrusninja, 19 mars 2012 - 01:09 .

[superwarrior]

@gamergirl

Hold it. Like i said don't get upset too quickly. It may be a poor example to you but rest assured i most certainly did not mean that homosexuals are causing death or cancer like cigs. It's just the example popped into my head spur of the moment. OK, replace cigs with meat the put a vegan friend on the scene where the vegan can't take the smell or image of cooked meat. There, i hope that's a better analogy.

Apologies if original message is misunderstood.

And yeah, i'm a lousy smoker. Bad and filthy habit but i lack willpower.

[gamer_girl]

Smoking is a self inflicted disease. Homosexuality isn't something that causes cancer, nor is itself inflicted. It's a completely natural occurence in the brain just as heterosexuality is. And if you were joking then ok...

[superwarrior]

@gamergirl

I didn't intend humour but i can see how you can misunderstand that example. Didn't intend the way u read into it at all. Just call it a bad example. I also am no expert on the cause of homosexuality so can't comment on it but i think even the expert juries are still out on that one.

But it'd help a wee bit if you didn't immediately jump to conclusions on my example and jump on my case. Would help if you ask me to clarify first. For the simple reason that i find too many people lunging for the throat immediately by jumping to conclusions whenever the gay topic is raised.

I'm no "troll" if u can believe me.

Peace.

[Parker Kincaid]

superwarrior wrote...

Hold you horses. I have to say, that people are getting way too emotional and snarky every time this topic comes up. The OP does not sound like he's trolling. The thing is having read through this thread so far, you guys are accusing the OP of bigotry and talk about equality and at the same time request for more choice which incidentally led Bioware to include male gay options in ME3. By that SAME token of choice, you can't force people to accept homosexuality. He's asking for an OPTION to be included so he won't be exposed to it because he's not comfortable with it. He DIDN'T ask for homosexual elements to be removed for those who are so inclined. He wasn't rude or snarky, but many who posted here are. I would welcome that option, and homosexual options for those who want it. Then everyone gets a little something.

Please don't twist his and others' opinions to extremes and claim them homophobes to push your argument. He wasn't trolling.

And "Deal with it" is overused, irritating and cuts both ways; you guys have to deal with the fact that he has a valid and non-trolling request. And no, we are not all homophobes asking for homosexuals to be persecuted. You simply can't FORCE tolerance. An option at the character setting stage is a good and fair suggestion for future games.

I just want to clarify things here. I didn't directly respond to the person who began this thread. I posted when the thread was well along.

I don't believe everyone is a homophobe but I also am curious as to why people who aren't care if there are characters who aren't heterosexual in a game. You don't have to romance them and they don't push anything on you. To change the game specifically to be tailored to the players sexual orientation just creates an endless amount of requests for further changes, IMHO. Why not simply have an option to include the option to have a love interest or not. No grey area. Just a simple ON/OFF option? Personally, I think that's silly because no one has to actually romance another character. It's optional. As I noted before then maybe an option for a game to be religious or atheist. Why subject people to religious beliefs that they don't believe in when playing a game? It's a serious question, actually. Btw, I'm not atheist nor do I think one religion is better than another. Regardless, I believe the extra work simply is not worth it and people should accept the game for what it is.

Tolerance can't be forced, I agree. But, honestly, I don't believe that placating [some] people who can't handle what really exists isa good thing either. Again, I am not accusing the original poster in this thread of anything negative but other people have clearly demonstrated issues with homosexuality and are homophobes. At the end of the day I believe people having an issue with any homosexual characters in a game - as in the real world - have deeper things to ponder and matters to address.

Modifié par Parker Kincaid, 19 mars 2012 - 01:40 .

[Moonshadow_Dark]

superwarrior wrote...

@gamergirl

Hold it. Like i said don't get upset too quickly. It may be a poor example to you but rest assured i most certainly did not mean that homosexuals are causing death or cancer like cigs. It's just the example popped into my head spur of the moment. OK, replace cigs with meat the put a vegan friend on the scene where the vegan can't take the smell or image of cooked meat. There, i hope that's a better analogy.

Apologies if original message is misunderstood.

And yeah, i'm a lousy smoker. Bad and filthy habit but i lack willpower.

Now you're saying homosexuality is like Veganism?

Dude go back to the Smoking analogy.

[Walrusninja]

There isn't really any solid FACT on homosexuality, it's all just theories I thought? Tis a voyage of discovereh! Either way, respect is due for each other. Smoking is common, and damaging (apparently, I believe it's damaging myself but we could always be wrong, just theory) but for many people it's a way of getting by, it gives comfort. I'd never look down on someone for smoking.

Modifié par Walrusninja, 19 mars 2012 - 01:39 .

[superwarrior]

@Moonshadow_Dark

I just can't win can I? Sigh should never have joined this thread

[Moonshadow_Dark]

superwarrior wrote...

@Moonshadow_Dark

I just can't win can I? Sigh should never have joined this thread

lawlz

[gamer_girl]

Point is smoking is a choice - veganism is a choice. Your sexuality is not a choice, it's been proven by science.

[Walrusninja]

Really? Or "proven by science" like Anchorman "proven by science"? I thought it was a work in progress?

[Parker Kincaid]

gamer_girl wrote...

Point is smoking is a choice - veganism is a choice. Your sexuality is not a choice, it's been proven by science.

I agree with you, gamer_girl, but.... there are many MANY people who will simply never ever accept or admit this regardless of any and all evidence.

Modifié par Parker Kincaid, 19 mars 2012 - 01:59 .

[gamer_girl]

Yes it is proven. Look it up if you like. People should not be discriminated against for things they cannot control.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

gamer_girl wrote...

Point is smoking is a choice - veganism is a choice. Your sexuality is not a choice, it's been proven by science.

It isn't proven by science until a homicidal A.I gives a gay guy a gun that makes portals and puts him through a series of mind bending puzzles with promise of cake and freedom should he survive.

[Volus Warlord]

Parker Kincaid wrote...

I agree with you, gamer_girl, but.... there are many MANY people who will simply never ever accept or admit this regardless of any and all evidence.

*fist pump*

In relation to the thread topic, this will never happen because Bioware wants you to believe they are all the same. 

[Twin-fork]

gamer_girl wrote...

People should not be discriminated against for things they cannot control.

This. Because I agree with this completely.

[Parker Kincaid]

Walrusninja wrote...

Really? Or "proven by science" like Anchorman "proven by science"? I thought it was a work in progress?

 

Humans are not the only living things to display homosexual behavior. Numerous species of animals do, as well. When I say numerous I mean many. It isn't the majority of all living things and it isn't the majority of the species where is occurs but it exists. If it were not natural and was purely choice then this wouldn't be the case.

Modifié par Parker Kincaid, 19 mars 2012 - 02:00 .

[superwarrior]

@Parker Kincaid

Ok, i'll try my take on this. DISCLAIMER! All i say is my simple ideas or opinions. I won't claim facts or stats. The only real fact is NO ONE has any true, accurate and verifiable stats and figures on this issue on a global scale.

I think (emphasis on think) the fear is that homosexuality may not be biological ( or genetic which i recall the gay gene issue is non-proven) but psychological. That is it could be product of environmental influence, family, friends, media, upbringing etc. Now, i'm aware, as an example, that certain species ( some crab or amphibian, can't remember name ) can change sex and/or sexual orientation to FURTHER the species if the there is gender imbalance in the population. How in heaven's name they know is beyond me, but as far as it's known, it's a natural process but with the NATURAL agenda to further the breed. But homosexuality in human population is still an unknown cause, and certainly is counter-productive to breeding since same sex can't breed in humans. Hence i suspect that this was the initial cause for most religions and cultures to frown upon homosexuals.

Now, if we assume that gayness is a product of the mind then it can be theorised that homosexuality CAN be promoted and influenced and that'd be detrimental to our species in the future if allowed to spread. Hence the fear and suppression.

Repeat; my opinions not claiming facts (except for the animals part which is scientifically known and observed).

What do u ppl think?

[Tirigon]

Abispa wrote...

But the option to turn off homosexuality (or hetersexuality)  IS PRETTY DOG DAMN OFFENSIVE. I am not gay, but believe you me, if someone started a thread complaining that Bioware is introducing too many Hispanic characters into ME3, even forcing people to hear Vega speaking Spanish in an English version of the game, I would go ballistic. Of all the vile, evil, socially twisted things the player is exposed to in Bioware games, and is even allowed to participate in,  that it should be the depiction of a race, ethnic group, or sexual persuasion that needs to be filtered out of a Rated M game would be the epitome of bad comedy.

But then, you kill a lot of people during the game There is even an achievement for killing a certain number overall, and for killing 100 enemies each in different ways.
It could be reasonably argued that this is PRETTY DOG DAMN OFFENSIVE, seeing as war is not as such funny, and burning people isnt exactly a nice thing to do.

[Guldhun2]

superwarrior wrote...

@Parker Kincaid

Ok, i'll try my take on this. DISCLAIMER! All i say is my simple ideas or opinions. I won't claim facts or stats. The only real fact is NO ONE has any true, accurate and verifiable stats and figures on this issue on a global scale.

I think (emphasis on think) the fear is that homosexuality may not be biological ( or genetic which i recall the gay gene issue is non-proven) but psychological. That is it could be product of environmental influence, family, friends, media, upbringing etc. Now, i'm aware, as an example, that certain species ( some crab or amphibian, can't remember name ) can change sex and/or sexual orientation to FURTHER the species if the there is gender imbalance in the population. How in heaven's name they know is beyond me, but as far as it's known, it's a natural process but with the NATURAL agenda to further the breed. But homosexuality in human population is still an unknown cause, and certainly is counter-productive to breeding since same sex can't breed in humans. Hence i suspect that this was the initial cause for most religions and cultures to frown upon homosexuals.

Now, if we assume that gayness is a product of the mind then it can be theorised that homosexuality CAN be promoted and influenced and that'd be detrimental to our species in the future if allowed to spread. Hence the fear and suppression.

Repeat; my opinions not claiming facts (except for the animals part which is scientifically known and observed).

What do u ppl think?

Yes, because what humans need right now is more breeding. 7 Billion is not enough.

[Walrusninja]

I'm aware of that Parker, certainly true, but we aren't the same in various ways so I consider the debate still fascinating and open

[Sentr0]

i felt a little unconfortable, but not a big deal after all...

Modifié par Sentr0, 19 mars 2012 - 02:05 .

[Intiakel]

I don't get how you can accidentally be gay in ME3.. I went to the bar with cortez and your conversation options are

I'M EYE CANDY, CORTEZ
I LIKE THE LADIES

Just.. how can you get that wrong?