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[Jackster94]

http://uk.ign.com/vi...3-opinion-video

After a few days I got over the rage and sadness of the ending and now am inclined to agree with colin. The Hold the line guys need a reality check

[Jackster94]

Thoughts anyone ?

[cyrrant]

Do not rise to this, we're better than getting dragged into a flame war with a troll.

Hold the Line

[Legion64]

How much did Bioware pay them?

[fishboy11]

He immediately shows he's out of touch and wrong when he compares it to a TV show or movie, its not art, its not a friggin movie, you shape the events of the game its your actions, christ he's such a moron, and most movies and TV show arent riddled with plotholes that make more questions than they answer, even BSG's ending was way better. And theres also the little fact that BW essentially lied to us multiple times about the ending.

[Zealuu]

Most editorial responses on the matter from the gaming press are like this. Game journos have always lacked for both spine and integrity - this is just them rushing to a knee-jerk defense of their inflated review scores and muddling the waters by pretending games are not products.

[Zalbik]

It is called PAID damage control.

[Jackster94]

@ Cyrannt

I am not a troll. I hated the ending but it is their story, not ours

[thesmallearth]

Some games sites, and 'reporters' will of course push a strongly worded, specific view - to simply try to get additional publicity......riding on the back of current hot issues.....its cheap but often effective way to increase your viewing stats.

Modifié par thesmallearth, 18 mars 2012 - 04:34 .

[Rft552]

This has already been talked about in another thread.

[Jackster94]

http://feeds.ign.com...podcasts/games/

The most recent podcast Beyond goes into greater discussion . More varied opinion as Greg inclines to agree why fans are mad

[KcK__]

I agree with Colin. It's too bad that people keep saying that what Colin said is IGN's opinion while it was in fact just Colin's opinion.

[k177sh0t]

He assumed people who hated the endings were the ones who bombed me3 in metacritic, made "stupid online petitions" and harassed the employee's responsible for ME3

The YT video is even a satire

[Jackster94]

All the hold te line guys and gals are doing is straining the Fan-developer relationsip even further by giving the fanbase a bad image

[AlexMBrennan]

Whilst he does not come across as particularly professional, he does an excellent job at misdirection. The crucial issue is and remains that Bioware made specific claims about Mass Effect 3 that turned out to be false.

His argument for DLC (EA wants to make money, to day-1-DLC is totally OK) is not exactly convincing either. And again, the issue is Bioware making specific claims that turned out to be inaccurate and misleading at best. [Seriously, they *knew* people would look through the game files and find those things. Was saving a little bit of server traffic really worth the PR incident?]

Finally, his name is Moriarty, which is fitting.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 18 mars 2012 - 04:49 .

[Super.Sid]

How is this for a counter attack
http://www.forbes.co...er-entitlement/

[charmingcharlie]

Jackster94 wrote...

All the hold te line guys and gals are doing is straining the Fan-developer relationsip even further by giving the fanbase a bad image

That is your take on things, personally I will say that Bioware are the ones getting the bad image here.  This has been going for over a week now and they have not bothered to do anything to engage fans other than "hey we are listening, honest guv'nor we are really".  Then you get a statement from Casey that basically says " yeah well the paid reviewers liked the game so who cares if "some" (you know 97%) of our customers don't like the ending.

All the stuff you are seeing in the gaming press is a carefully orchastrated PR campaign by EA/Bioware to paint those that do not like the endings as "unreasonable".

[hyperion01]

Jackster94 wrote...

@ Cyrannt

I am not a troll. I hated the ending but it is their story, not ours

Its their story,but its made for us.
Hasn't it?

[Nevaeh15]

WTF is all this talk about entitlement? Trying to skew the argument... Good start when you can't win an argument... change the topic...
This is about false advertising... lying to the fan base... get it strait or gtfo.

[Humanaut]

It's exactly the problem of interactive media, and interactive storytelling that gets people so upset about the ME3 ending. Bioware promised in several interviews and announcements, that the decisions of the player over the three games will have influence on the ending of ME3...

That promise wasn't fulfilled. The game is theirs, the rights for the story or the brand are theirs, But they sold us over the course of three games an interactive story, that we players created..or we had the illusion we created it. A personal story defined by the decisions we took over several hours of playing...

That freedom or the illusion of that freedom was taken from us in the end, The most important part of a story when you want to close it down. So why the ranring..because the players feel they've been betrayed...

Modifié par Humanaut, 18 mars 2012 - 05:07 .

[alex13abc]

See "gamespot jeff gerstmann Kane and lynch" for the level of integrity one can expect from the gaming "press" these days. IGN has zero credibility.

[Quietness]

I find it more interesting that Forbes (A business magazine) is the one behind the fans and openly criticising Bioware.

For those that want to use the extremely BS "ITS ART" Argument : http://calitreview.com/24673 Cali. Lit Journal that complete tears apart the ending even from an artistic point of view.

[Jackster94]

All the stuff you are seeing in the gaming press is a carefully orchastrated PR campaign by EA/Bioware to paint those that do not like the endings as "unreasonable".

Evidence?

How are they gaining a bad image for not being willing to change their story because fans don't like it? I dont like it . I feel that the ending will tarnis Mass effects legacy but Its their story

[Jackster94]

@alex13abc

May you please expand on why this man has zero credibilty?

[kbct]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Jackster94 wrote...

All the hold te line guys and gals are doing is straining the Fan-developer relationsip even further by giving the fanbase a bad image

That is your take on things, personally I will say that Bioware are the ones getting the bad image here.  This has been going for over a week now and they have not bothered to do anything to engage fans other than "hey we are listening, honest guv'nor we are really".  Then you get a statement from Casey that basically says " yeah well the paid reviewers liked the game so who cares if "some" (you know 97%) of our customers don't like the ending.

All the stuff you are seeing in the gaming press is a carefully orchastrated PR campaign by EA/Bioware to paint those that do not like the endings as "unreasonable".

Funny post. Here is a good perspective on the BioWare PR campaign:

http://social.biowar.../index/10084349