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[hyperion01]

Nobody wants to change the ending.I think we want from BW to expand it with more choices and make it sense.Not a huge ask i think.

[XRelakX]

Its their game at the end all we did was buy the game at our own risk.They could of ended it even worse imo...im not saying i like the ending i mean it wasnt perfect and leave the so called "plotholes" (which im sure will be explained by dlcs) but to start arguing about the game and that people feel cheated because they payed 60$ and have a fail ending..is even more funny when you all want a dlc to change ending even if it cost 10$...whats the logic? Your gonna end paying 70$

And i dont care if any review see it positive or negative...the choice sthat are in "their" game and that you take as "i made any choice and blah blah" you made the choices that they gave to you..still their story after all.

[Xiomara]

Entitlement huh? Aren't we entitled to a satisfactory climax after investing time and money in this franchise? We are consumers after all. I rarely complain about anything and I usually take whatever ****storm is going on at Bioware Forums with a massive truckload of salt....Hell I even liked DA2....but on this I wholeheartedly agree with the complainers.

[hyperion01]

Its not about the money,i feel myself betrayed with this ending.

[Lunar Savage]

Yes. Games are art.

However, Mass Effect is a piece of art that gave the end user the power to warp, alter, bend, or create how the story plays out.

What was the ending? Bioware taking this ability from us, declaring it their own personal art, and then cramming whatever half-assed brain fart they came up with down our throats.

[Jackster94]

Entitlement huh? Aren't we entitled to a satisfactory climax after investing time and money in this franchise?

Its Bioware's story . Its a **** ending but they should not change their vision

[ziloe]

“Entitlement” is a dangerous, dismissive word. As was very well put by a Forbes article earlier today, entitlement implies that you believe that you have a right to something to which you have no right. The term is thrown at young people these days whenever they voice a complaint about, well -- anything. It accomplishes nothing but to build up walls, and to damage relationships.


[Rrezz]

I agree with him. so what, you didn't like the ending, you're not the one who wrote the story, stop ****ing about it.

[HTTP 404]

the change in camera angles makes it thought provoking

[starscreamerx31]

Rrezz wrote...

I agree with him. so what, you didn't like the ending, you're not the one who wrote the story, stop ****ing about it.

who do you think yu are to come around these parts and tell people what they can or cannot do. Seriously. How do you trolls keep finding your way to these threads.

[HTTP 404]

Rrezz wrote...

I agree with him. so what, you didn't like the ending, you're not the one who wrote the story, stop ****ing about it.

yah!  or we will **** about those who **** about the ending.  then others will **** about the ****es ****ing about the ****es who **** about the ending.

[kbct]

Jackster94 wrote...

Its Bioware's story . Its a **** ending but they should not change their vision

They changed it twice already. The retail version is at least the third iteration.

At the end of the day, it about money and keeping your fans happy. No company is gonna fall on the "artistic vision" sword.

[XRelakX]

Rrezz wrote...

I agree with him. so what, you didn't like the ending, you're not the one who wrote the story, stop ****ing about it.

The problem is that people actually believe that because they payed 60$ (which we all did btw) they have the right to change the ending to how they like it.They also believe that the ending could be better (and i agree) but then again did anyone of us actually make a game ? People saying oh is not hard to change the ending and such..how you would know that as you have no experience in making games lol.But well thats some people opinions and i respect them all.

The fact is that many keep talking about the 60$ yet they want to pay 10-15$ for a dlc that change the ending on how they like it (even knowing that BW still will make it and you may or not may like it)..also as i been saying plotholes will be used to add content to the game as well to get money..

[sorentoft]

Super.Sid wrote...

How is this for a counter attack
http://www.forbes.co...er-entitlement/

Quote for emphasis.

[Jackster94]

In response to first post,
What weak minded nonsense is this!!!!
You really are gullible aren't you, if you changed sides that easy and sided with M.
HOLD THE LINE!!!!!!!!

Heh you are a shining example of the self entitled agressive little fan

[kbct]

Rrezz wrote...

I agree with him. so what, you didn't like the ending, you're not the one who wrote the story, stop ****ing about it.

You should make a financial argument instead. Companies are in business to make a profit.

[LoneStorm]

Rft552 wrote...

This has already been talked about in another thread.

Yes and it was concluded that he was an ass hole in a matter of minutes.

[BounceDK]

Only reviewers (who cash in on ME3 ads) and drones like the ending it seems. Epic failure.

Modifié par BounceDK, 18 mars 2012 - 05:15 .

[Jackster94]

@BounceDK

The video was not specifically about the ending troll

[Zulmoka531]

I'd take IGN's opinion on the game more seriously, if one of their reporters didn't have a cameo character in it. One that you can sleep with no less.

[durasteel]

Jackster94 wrote...

@ Cyrannt

I am not a troll. I hated the ending but it is their story, not ours

In that, you are mistaken.

BioWare Edmonton don't own the story, the game, or the franchise.  EA does. This is artististic work done on commission. It is also a consumer product which failed to meet customer expectations, to a great enough degree that it could seriously impact future sales of related products. I can only speak for myself, but a good DLC ending would inspire me to buy all the other DLC and some collectible merchandise, to say nothing of subsequent games set in the Mass Effect setting, while without it I seriously doubt I'll ever spend another cent on a Mass Effect product.

No one here can tell you whether BioWare will produce a different ending, but I'm quite certain that it makes good business sense for them to do so. If their DLC release plan is anything like what we saw with ME2, they have some free DLC planned for the Alliance Network, or whatever it's called. They did this with ME2 in order to sell the Cerberus Network to used game purchasers, no reason to think they won't do the same here.  Simply slotting a "director's cut" ending into that free DLC and moving a previously free new content DLC (like Aria taking back Omega) into a paid release lets them recover any associated costs without sacrificing the goodwill attached to a free fix.

The artistic integrety of this narrative has always been subject to financial considerations. Reading between the lines in the "Final Hours" iPad app leaves me with the strong impression that the release schedule caused the game to be released before the ending was really finished, and that what we see in the game as shipped is not a product of the artistic process as much as a surrender of that process to financial constraints. We know this team through their work, both on the rest of Mass Effect 3 and their other games. Does it seem likely that the same people responsible for Mordin's redemption would be satisfied with the end in its current form?

The push for a new ending isn't an affront to the artistic integrety of the game, and in fact it might be championing it. I look forward to seeing what will happen.

Modifié par durasteel, 18 mars 2012 - 05:22 .

[BruderLoras]

Jackster94 wrote...

All the hold te line guys and gals are doing is straining the Fan-developer relationsip even further by giving the fanbase a bad image

Are they? How? As long as they remain polite, I cannot see how this could strain the relationship between fans and developers. A relationship implies communication.

[Alerus3]

He doesn't actually present an argument at all. He merely says that gamers should not ask for things to change but gives no actual reason as to why. The reality is the ending sucks, it's damaging the game and Bioware will lose the respect and consequentially the money of many because of this ending. All users are saying is that if the ending were better they could forgive that. Why is that wrong and entitled?


His argument is even further out of line because this isn't a typical story like a book or movie. This is a game designed around the notion that the users get to shape it. That makes it a gameplay mechanic and Bioware not only failed to live up to this promise (e.g., "won't be A,B,C" but turned out to be just that) but it's a story medium that even Bioware concedes is a collaboration between fans and developers. So if the story is meant to be a collaboration between the audience and the developers, why is it out of place for the audience to say they think something should be changed?

[Elk Cloner]

Jackster94 wrote...


http://uk.ign.com/vi...3-opinion-video

After a few days I got over the rage and sadness of the ending and now am inclined to agree with colin. The Hold the line guys need a reality check

1. He's editor of PlayStation section.

2. Drew Karpyshyn had NOTHING with ME3's story.

So, we have uninformed PS guy bashing players/consumers. Yes, that's convincing.