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[Alerus3]

EDIT: Double post

Modifié par Alerus3, 18 mars 2012 - 05:31 .

[Jackster94]

@Elk Cloner

Him being playstation editor means ...... sorry your post makes no sense nor has any credibility

[durasteel]

Rrezz wrote...

I agree with him. so what, you didn't like the ending, you're not the one who wrote the story, stop ****ing about it.

Right, just like you're not the one who coded the enviroment and the physics engine, so you have no right to complain about your character falling through the floor. It's their game, and if you don't like falling through the floor, just shut up and go buy another game.

I mean, I get so freakin' tired of seeing all these people whining about clipping issues and getting stuck in the scenery in various different games, when none of them could code a single line if their lives depended on it. Seriously, they'd be lost at a command line interface, who are they to complain about bugs?

Also, patches are for wimps.

Modifié par durasteel, 18 mars 2012 - 05:29 .

[redplague]

Why does this guy feel he has to curse to get his point across?

And also I think he's completely missed the point. Comparing it to BSG is silly as you never made choices throughout the series about what would happen. I think this guy is the kind of person who would play ME once and then move on to the next FPS shooter.

[HTTP 404]

Jackster94 wrote...

@Elk Cloner

Him being playstation editor means ...... sorry your post makes no sense nor has any credibility

haha I thought that too when he said that.... point is moot!

[Deflagratio]

Normally I would disagree with the whole the notion that the fans are entitled to answers.

But have you read some of their marketing material? We Are entitled to the promises they made, otherwise it's false advertisement. Their product is so blatantly contradictory to what was advertised that even my stern support of "Creator freedom" has to be waived.

[Rorschachinstein]

Bat points are bad

[bleachorange]

SPOILER:  The logical fallacies of the ending, completely separated from the wants and desires associated with it.

:wizard:Spaaaace MAGIC!!!

[Elk Cloner]

Jackster94 wrote...

@Elk Cloner

Him being playstation editor means ...... sorry your post makes no sense nor has any credibility

Nor has his bashing. Expecially coming from a PlayStation editor.

See? It's easy to make arguments.

Fact is, IGN gave ME3 high score, and they need to be in line. It's been posted on this forum that they already changed their mind considering back-fire ME3 caused.

And "Drew Karpyshyn argument" is valid. He should check his fact before he tried to undermine players who are outraged with ME3. Yes, it's Bioware's game, BioWare's Shepard. They took it from players, significally reducing impact of any decision player made in the last 2 games. Heck, they reduced player's input in this game.

This isn't player's Shepard. This isn't Drew Karpyshyn's Shepard. It's BioWare's Shepard. And that's all about.

[Artemis_Entrari]

Deflagratio wrote...

Normally I would disagree with the whole the notion that the fans are entitled to answers.

But have you read some of their marketing material? We Are entitled to the promises they made, otherwise it's false advertisement. Their product is so blatantly contradictory to what was advertised that even my stern support of "Creator freedom" has to be waived.

This is key.  It's one thing to call fans entitled if they complain about stuff they were never promised (ie. people ****ing about no MP if the developers never ever said they'd include MP), but it's not entitled when the developers PROMISED certain things and didn't live up to those promises.

[Siegdrifa]

Jackster94 wrote...

@ Cyrannt

I am not a troll. I hated the ending but it is their story, not ours

They sale it as "make your story, all your choices matter and will build your ending".

I didn't hated the ending but if they want to left so many unsatisfied fan with them, in the wise word of Vega :
"Your call, your loss".

Artist can't live from their art if they can't sell it or if not enough people like their vision (this is my living), lot of artist are "tools", i'm not sure all Bioware artist agree on the ending being this way, when working in a team you can't impose everything you want, team work = compromise to build a success, now if they think they can achieve that without the support of those who finacialy keep them succesfull... is not a good analysis for long them plan.

Never forget that ME games were made because ME1 had enough succes to keep going.

Lot of people voice this is an artistic vision... since when corporation make artistic vision ?
It's a collaboration between many artists, that share or desagree at some point but they will work together to try to deliver a coherent product.
Mass Effect isn't the story of ONE man devlopped by a game studio, it's the project of dozen of dozen of people over the years and i'm sure some of them doesn't support how it's ends, i work in video game company for 3 years, not everybody think the same, and they often argue for their vision (not like kid) until the lead take a side because of project constraint and dead lines or because well, he is the lead so his voice carry more weight (responsibility involved etc).

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 18 mars 2012 - 05:51 .

[T1l]

IGN? Are you serious? Their opinion means nothing. Their opinion is bought. They put Chobot in the game for christs sake.

[AJRimmsey]

Jackster94 wrote...

Thoughts anyone ?

trying to reason with entitled youngsters sat in bedrooms ranting about a game is pointless.
when thier answer is "hold the line" you have to think of who you are talking to.

they actually dont think this spamming is trolling

[Pee Jae]

Beating a dead horse again here. Most of the critics are missing the point entirely when they speak of entitlement and gamer rage. Again, we don't want them to change the endings. That's ridiculous because it is indeed a form of art and self expression. What we want is some kind of definitive exposition that actually explains what happens. What we have now is a muddled mess that has people guessing what happened. When I have to make leaps of logic to understand the end of the story you just told me... well, that doesn't make me a bad listener, it makes you a bad storyteller.

[Han Shot First]

Hold the line: Don't spend a single dime on Mass Effect DLC content unless that content includes a more satisfying ending.

Mass Effect isn't art. It is an ongoing commercial enterprise, that the developers are still hoping to sell us on. If they want us to purchase future downloadable content, we the paying public, should have a say in what we are interested in purchasing.

[Jayce]

Jackster94 wrote...

@ Cyrannt

I am not a troll. I hated the ending but it is their story, not ours

Except this whole franchise hung its hat and promoted itself on giving the player an impact on the story.

You can't reach the final act of the final chapter of a trilogy and deliberately reduce the player from an active participant to an impotent observer and rob the protagonist of all dignity by fiating away their motivation, just to force them to ponder some ham-fisted existentialism.

Bioware clearly realized they'd just written the mother of all downer endings, that's why we got the hastily tacked on plot-hole riddled  scene with the Normandy, complete with saccharine fueled Grandpa Narrative at the end. It's an even more ham-fisted sop to the audience, nothing more.

[Siegdrifa]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Jackster94 wrote...

Thoughts anyone ?

trying to reason with entitled youngsters sat in bedrooms ranting about a game is pointless.
when thier answer is "hold the line" you have to think of who you are talking to.

they actually dont think this spamming is trolling

From reading how many explain their point of view with argument in a well mannered way, the "kid ranting" is pretty much an excuse for people who desagree with them without looking to understand them (or because they simply connot wich is not really a problem as long as they agree to desagree) and intend to diminish them under false fact.
You just try to provok them in your post because you don't want them to voice their opinion because it's different from yours.
You have the right to desagree and not listen but there is no right to make them shut up, liberty of speach was gained on the sacrifice and blood of good peoples, even for something as ridiculous as a "game".

Also, there is lot of not young anymore people on their side, first because i doubt "youngster" are legaly enclined to give money for charity without a legit credit card / banq transfer, or being married / working full time.
You would knew that if you were listening them istead of listening to your  ignorant "assumption".

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 18 mars 2012 - 06:12 .

[daguest]

Jackster94 wrote...

@ Cyrannt

I am not a troll. I hated the ending but it is their story, not ours

RPG : we are part of the story.
Book/movie : not part of the story.
See the point ? And BTW, it's a videogame, not mona lisa for god sake.

[_symphony]

ME3 isn't a piece or art you hang on the walls of a museum for anyone to see, it isn't either a movie you watch for two hours and only once after you bought a ticket for a few dolars. This is a product, a product you put a good deal of time and money, a product you bought under false presumptions thanks to BioWare deceptive advertising campain.

It might be an form of art but the way they completely screwed it up is detrimental to art. It goes against the whole art piece we all call "Mass Effect", supporting this ending isn't defending art in videogames at all.

[Blarty]

t_skwerl wrote...

Beating a dead horse again here. Most of the critics are missing the point entirely when they speak of entitlement and gamer rage. Again, we don't want them to change the endings. That's ridiculous because it is indeed a form of art and self expression. What we want is some kind of definitive exposition that actually explains what happens. What we have now is a muddled mess that has people guessing what happened. When I have to make leaps of logic to understand the end of the story you just told me... well, that doesn't make me a bad listener, it makes you a bad storyteller.

This may be true, but the comment directly under yours does want a new ending, so this shows an important fracture that needs to be addressed - you need a definitive point and objective that is agreed upon by all.

[Redstar6]

http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/

Yea how dare we be angry for something the creator said would happen and not do it. We are so entitled.

[xsdob]

k177sh0t wrote...

He assumed people who hated the endings were the ones who bombed me3 in metacritic, made "stupid online petitions" and harassed the employee's responsible for ME3

The YT video is even a satire

If it wasn't people who hated the endings doing that, than who was it? You can't just dismiss the idoit fringe in your hold the line movement as trolls.

Modifié par xsdob, 18 mars 2012 - 06:37 .

[MrAtomica]

I will oppose anyone of the opinion that the fact that Bioware crafted the story precludes the fans from having any input. If that were concretely true, the whole series would have played out differently. Garrus and Tali, anyone?

It's a fundamental part of a game developer's labor of love that the fans of said developer's story will become involved in said story. As a result, the story CAN change. If the outcry is loud enough, and the concerns make enough sense, I go as far as to say that it SHOULD change. There is nothing wrong with fans of a massively popular trilogy, one which has spanned years of expectation and investment, asking for a more satisfying ending. Shepard's story is as much theirs as it is Bioware's.