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The thing that really ticks me off about the video is when he posted the video of the overweight guy upset about day 1 DLC. That felt like a cheap shot. I'm cool with him not liking the idea of fans dictating what creators can and can't do, but he totally could have handled it more maturely. Take a look at Adam Sessler's response. He disagrees with Retake Mass Effect, but he's not condisinding or insulting.

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Imperium Alpha wrote...

Everything againts retake mass effect is funny because they get all mad.


just duck when the rubber duckies are thrown out of the pushchairs.

take thier gang away and they go back to net porn and hand cream.

and RSI means they cant play games,easy to understand the angst :D

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xsdob wrote...

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He assumed people who hated the endings were the ones who bombed me3 in metacritic, made "stupid online petitions" and harassed the employee's responsible for ME3

The YT video is even a satire


If it wasn't people who hated the endings doing that, than who was it? You can't just dismiss the idoit fringe in your hold the line movement as trolls.

 The retake mass effect idea ask of civil expressions of your opinion doesn't matter the outcome of the petition, unless people could do it, they don't share the vision of retake mass effect.

It is very convignante that any random uncivilised guy get stamped "he is part of retake mass effect hold the line movement" booo booo to them ! see how evil they really are !

If Bioware don't officialy recognize that some media are extrapolizing uncivilised individual to help build a mediatic bash of the retake mass effect movement, i could start to think some head pr of EA are organising it on purpose.
This is too conviniant.


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Moriarty, for as long as I have read stuff on IGN, has always come off as a ****** to me. After this blantently obvious stereotyping attempt, can't imagine why I wouldn't see him any other way. That just my opinion anyway.

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Jackster94 wrote...

@ Cyrannt

I am not a troll. I hated the ending but it is their story, not ours


No its our story, if it was their story it would be a movie not a RPG "Roll Playing Game" where our actions shape the consequences. 

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Blastback wrote...

The thing that really ticks me off about the video is when he posted the video of the overweight guy upset about day 1 DLC. That felt like a cheap shot. I'm cool with him not liking the idea of fans dictating what creators can and can't do, but he totally could have handled it more maturely. Take a look at Adam Sessler's response. He disagrees with Retake Mass Effect, but he's not condisinding or insulting.


You realize that Boogie was acting right? That is one of Boogie's alter ego characters that he created for himself to poke fun at topics and himself. He was just making a point on how silly Dlc day one issue was .

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^To continue, he does have a point on the very few extremes out there, but that doesn't give him the right to call the whole gang of disappoint consumers who were false mislead to an ending that would give us what we wanted in the end, whiny.. In my book, that grants us entitlement for a better ending.
Artistic is not the problem in the end, it's just False Advertisment. Still, just my opinion when I saw the vid.

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Genshie wrote...

Blastback wrote...

The thing that really ticks me off about the video is when he posted the video of the overweight guy upset about day 1 DLC. That felt like a cheap shot. I'm cool with him not liking the idea of fans dictating what creators can and can't do, but he totally could have handled it more maturely. Take a look at Adam Sessler's response. He disagrees with Retake Mass Effect, but he's not condisinding or insulting.


You realize that Boogie was acting right? That is one of Boogie's alter ego characters that he created for himself to poke fun at topics and himself. He was just making a point on how silly Dlc day one issue was .

Never even heard of the guy.  I assumed it was some genuinly upset random player.

Little less annoyed now.

His tone is still way to condesending.

Modifié par Blastback, 18 mars 2012 - 07:04 .


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Entitlement huh? Aren't we entitled to a satisfactory climax after investing time and money in this franchise?

Its Bioware's story . Its a **** ending but they should not change their vision


Okay, so let them go play 'their' game to 'their' hearts content and some of us will choose not to play 'their' game because we think it culminated in a ****** poor end to a fantastic series.

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AJRimmsey wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Everything againts retake mass effect is funny because they get all mad.


just duck when the rubber duckies are thrown out of the pushchairs.

take thier gang away and they go back to net porn and hand cream.

and RSI means they cant play games,easy to understand the angst :D


Oh look, it's the same idiot and his ragtag band of misfits crying again. How original.

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Why on earth would anyone take anything coming from IGN seriously on this matter? They had probably the most access to the games development of anyone outside Bioware for news stories and have an actual *EMPLOYEE* in the game as a character.


Do you *seriously* expect anything coming from IGN, under those circumstances, to be anything but heavily biased?

Ex0dus_ wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Everything againts retake mass effect is funny because they get all mad.


just duck when the rubber duckies are thrown out of the pushchairs.

take thier gang away and they go back to net porn and hand cream.

and RSI means they cant play games,easy to understand the angst [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]


Oh look, it's the same idiot and his ragtag band of misfits crying again. How original.

 He's the same guy that blocked me after asking "who'd I call names?" when I pointed out to him exactly in his post where he did so :P

Modifié par Vaktathi, 18 mars 2012 - 07:13 .


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Blastback wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Blastback wrote...

The thing that really ticks me off about the video is when he posted the video of the overweight guy upset about day 1 DLC. That felt like a cheap shot. I'm cool with him not liking the idea of fans dictating what creators can and can't do, but he totally could have handled it more maturely. Take a look at Adam Sessler's response. He disagrees with Retake Mass Effect, but he's not condisinding or insulting.


You realize that Boogie was acting right? That is one of Boogie's alter ego characters that he created for himself to poke fun at topics and himself. He was just making a point on how silly Dlc day one issue was .

Never even heard of the guy.  I assumed it was some genuinly upset random player.

Little less annoyed now.

His tone is still way to condesending.


His real opinion

Kotaku and IGN had already linked his satire, both were clueless of Boogie's real intention

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It's one guy's opinion. No big deal. Whether he's from IGN, Bioware or Burger King. Just add him to the list of people who don't want a different ending.

Next.

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Regardless of where you stand on this issue, who cares what Colin Moriarty thinks? 

He has an opinion, and gets it aired on IGN because he works for IGN. Nothing worse than someone who thinks their opinion matters more than others, and that they will set the guidelines of what is "proper." Moriarty is pretentious beyond belief, you'd think he sits on the Supreme Court for videogames lol

Modifié par Lacan2, 18 mars 2012 - 07:24 .


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Regardless of where you stand on this issue, who cares what Colin Moriarty thinks?

He has an opinion, and gets it aired on IGN because he works for IGN.


I dont..... What.....I dont get ..... can you expand bud?

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IGN got a huge amount of access to the game's development and has an employee in the game as a character, so it's difficult to see where they'd really be airing any other opinion, and if you have such an viewpoint at a place that's basically paid to put that out, they're going to air that.

Modifié par Vaktathi, 18 mars 2012 - 07:27 .


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Vaktathi wrote...

Why on earth would anyone take anything coming from IGN seriously on this matter? They had probably the most access to the games development of anyone outside Bioware for news stories and have an actual *EMPLOYEE* in the game as a character.


Do you *seriously* expect anything coming from IGN, under those circumstances, to be anything but heavily biased?

Ex0dus_ wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Everything againts retake mass effect is funny because they get all mad.


just duck when the rubber duckies are thrown out of the pushchairs.

take thier gang away and they go back to net porn and hand cream.

and RSI means they cant play games,easy to understand the angst [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]


Oh look, it's the same idiot and his ragtag band of misfits crying again. How original.

 He's the same guy that blocked me after asking "who'd I call names?" when I pointed out to him exactly in his post where he did so :P


actually i blocked you to count the people actually doing the forum spamming

you kept saying "all fans" and "most fans" or "majority"
so i just wanted to see how many are actually here spamming the same thing.

so far its 11

some majority huh :D

ps..7 of those are 2012 join ups

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 18 mars 2012 - 07:29 .


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IN case this hasn't been posted, here's some articles from a site that isn't exposed to possible corruption from ad revenue from game companies and exclusive access and early review bribes.
http://www.forbes.co...ffect-3-ending/
http://www.forbes.co...er-entitlement/

Modifié par Killer3000ad, 18 mars 2012 - 07:29 .


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the whole entitled angry fans slur i can't understand at all.its "art" ?if some brilliant artist came up to me and said they have an amazing piece that they have just done of a beautiful sunset ect,then after i pay him he gives me a brick id say i have a right to be annoyed and complain.i also wonder how many of us would have bought the game if BW had actually been honest and told us their vision of the game and the direction they want it to go instead of lying to us.

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AJRimmsey wrote...


actually i blocked you to count the people actually doing the forum spamming

you kept saying "all fans" and "most fans" or "majority"
so i just wanted to see how many are actually here spamming the same thing.

so far its 11

some majority huh [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

  

And going off again on a completely random tangent and not addressing what people were actually referencing...
Speaking of which, you never did respond when I pointed your own name calling out to you :whistle:


Either way, never made any mention of "all fans", I used majority because that's what all available numerical evidence supports. FInd me a poll or some sort of measure that says otherwise, because every one we've got shows an overwhelming trend against the current game ending. 

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Jackster94 wrote...

Regardless of where you stand on this issue, who cares what Colin Moriarty thinks?

He has an opinion, and gets it aired on IGN because he works for IGN.


I dont..... What.....I dont get ..... can you expand bud?


Everyone has an opinion on the ending, the day 1 DLC, and a lot of other things about the game. Not everyone gets a feature on IGN.

Should his opinion be taken any more seriously just because he made an obnoxious video for IGN? Nope.

What's funny is that I'm in the "don't bother remaking the ending camp" and after seeing that, it almost swayed me into the "remake the ending" camp just so I don't have to have the same opinion as the tattooed idiot in that video.

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It's no secret EA paid IGN alot of money, also add the fact that Chobot, a person who works for IGN voiced a character in ME3. Of course IGn is going to protect ME3 and Bioware. This stuff happens regularly.

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lets start a petition to fire his ***

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It's inappropriate to talk about passionate gamers as if they are the problem with the industry. If the gamers don't stand up for themselves - they are going to get stepped on... This thing with DLC is getting particularly bad... They aren't adding extra content anymore... They are literally taking out parts of the game and charging you extra for it... And that's got to stop.

Regarding the ending, and fan reaction... Fans can do whatever they want. I always scoff at people who say the ending isn't reason enough to give a negative review, as if they are the last an only authority on what's important in gaming.

I for one am a story-driven gamer. I don't care as much about the stuff going boom. (Not that I don't enjoy that mind you.) But then again, I'm from the days when games were little more than text on a screen...

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Vaktathi wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...


actually i blocked you to count the people actually doing the forum spamming

you kept saying "all fans" and "most fans" or "majority"
so i just wanted to see how many are actually here spamming the same thing.

so far its 11

some majority huh [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

  

And going off again on a completely random tangent and not addressing what people were actually referencing...
Speaking of which, you never did respond when I pointed your own name calling out to you :whistle:


Either way, never made any mention of "all fans", I used majority because that's what all available numerical evidence supports. FInd me a poll or some sort of measure that says otherwise, because every one we've got shows an overwhelming trend against the current game ending. 


actually you used "majority" because if in reality you put any of your polls next to sales figures it looks pretty grim doesnt it.

this game will hit at least 7 million sales on all formats.[and thats being conservative]

now..whats your poll count. ?



ps..i am also being polite and not mentioning the pulling of user reviews due to sites finding multiple reviews from the same IP addresses

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 18 mars 2012 - 07:45 .