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[schythe1]

Jackster94 wrote...

@ Cyrannt

I am not a troll. I hated the ending but it is their story, not ours

This would be 100% true were the medium they presented it in not interactive and if they entire bloody trilogy was not based around player choice.  You know this is true.

Modifié par schythe1, 18 mars 2012 - 08:50 .

[bleachorange]

Garrus: "May you be in heaven 30 minutes before the devil knows you're dead."

Shepard: "No, Garrus, it goes like this: May you stop playing the game 30 minutes before the ending."

[kbct]

bleachorange wrote...

Garrus: "May you be in heaven 30 minutes before the devil knows you're dead."

Shepard: "No, Garrus, it goes like this: May you stop playing the game 30 minutes before the ending."

Funny.

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

Vaktathi wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...
You cant use a biased sample and think it reflects the views of all.

I used this example in a previous thread...

You take 50000 random people and ask them if they're going to vote for a democrat or a republican.  49000 said they were going to vote democrat.  That must mean that a democrat is going to win the election correct?

No, incorrect, do you know why? Every single person polled was from the city of Chicago. Therefore that sample can not be taken seriously,  just like the one here on the BSN.

This is a decent example of how such a poll can be argued against.

However at 58,000 strong and with only a 2% "liked the ending rate", it may not be perfectly reflective, true, but it would be rather difficult to argue that anything close to a "silent majority" that likes the ending exists. Even self selecting, that's not something that can be just waived away unless you also have some sort of standing for "stuffing" via dummy accounts or the like and something to show only one side participating in such an activity. 

The thing is though, people who liked the ending are not going to go out of their way to do an internet search to try and find polls that were most likely created for the sole purpose of people to vote to change the ending.

Meanwhile, people who are angry about the endings will take to the internet, go out of their way to find such polls and vote in them.  If you like the ending or dont really mind it, what incentive would you have to go out of your way to vote in one of these polls?

The only way to accurately determine the majority is to do something along the lines of what gallup does.  That would be the only way I see any poll about the ending being accurate.

I won't argue that the poll isn't perfectly reflective of the feelings of the userbase, but given that pretty much every internet poll out there that I've seen with votes totalling at least 4 digits shows pretty much the same trend of 85%+ being very unsatisfied with the endings and only 2-3% saying they liked the current endings, self selecting or not, there's some validity to conlcusions drawn by them, especially when they are *that* tilted, especially so consistently. 

I can accept that such polls have a level of inaccuracy for various reasons, though the consistency of pretty much every one tends to say something. For the other guy to argue the validity of the poll however based on number of votes vs sales however was absolutely ridiculous. 

I do agree, but it could be the same people voting in all of these different polls, which would be why the data is so consistent throughout.

If I did not like the ending and I did an internet search and lets say 4 popular polls appeared in my browser.  As a disatissfied fan I would go out of my way to vote in every single one, escpecially because it only takes about a second to vote in polls like these.

But that does not mean I am right, each site does have it's own unique active members that could be voting in these polls making these polls reflect the majority of the fanbase.

Honestly though, either of us could be wrong or right.  The fact is, we will never know.

[r00tb33r]

bleachorange wrote...

Garrus: "May you be in heaven 30 minutes before the devil knows you're dead."

Shepard: "No, Garrus, it goes like this: May you stop playing the game 30 minutes before the ending."

I really do wish someone stopped me from finishing the game.  Launching those two rockets into the reaper was a good place to stop.

[kbct]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Honestly though, either of us could be wrong or right.  The fact is, we will never know.

Vaktathi is right. The writing is on the wall.

[AkiKishi]

r00tb33r wrote...

bleachorange wrote...

Garrus: "May you be in heaven 30 minutes before the devil knows you're dead."

Shepard: "No, Garrus, it goes like this: May you stop playing the game 30 minutes before the ending."

I really do wish someone stopped me from finishing the game.  Launching those two rockets into the reaper was a good place to stop.

I really liked the good bye bits on Earth, there was some real gravity there. I deleted everything else I typed because I realised it was a spoiler filled run to the end.. I'll just say it went down hill once you got hit by that beam.

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

@Vaktathi

I do appreciate the mature, and intelligent discussion we have had, god knows I have tried to make the same point in other threads and I was flamed hardcore for doing so because people thought I was on the "other side."

I would like to reiterate to everyone that I am not on either side, I was just expressing what my opinion on the polls floating the web are.

Modifié par GME_ThorianCreeper, 18 mars 2012 - 09:10 .

[greatgeek]

Rojahar wrote...

I like how when people aren't in the majority opinion, they say things like "Bioware shouldn't pander to the lowest common denominator!" "Call of Duty crowd!" "Rabble, rabble, rabble!" but when they're in the major, suddenly they're populist heroes, saying Bioware should be beholden to the fans no matter what and give them whatever they desire. I also like when there's media that people agree with, the journalist is intelligent and simply validating truth and facts, but if people disagree with the media, then the journalist is a paid hackjob shill, out of touch and spreading false propaganda. I like most of all how when people like a Bioware game, they say detractors are just childish whiners who should go away, but when those same people telling others to go away don't like a game, they're just giving valid feedback and expressing fan concern in an intelligent manner.

Oh wait, no, I don't like any of that hypocritical BS.

That's politics.

[Vaktathi]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

@Vaktathi

I do appreciate the mature, and intelligent discussion we have had, god knows I have tried to make the same point in other threads and I was flamed hardcore for doing so because people thought I was on the "other side."

I would like to reiterate to everyone that I am not on either side, I was just expressing what my opinion on the polls floating the web are.

It's always nice to have an intelligent and informed discussion on things on webforums. Your point has validity and I'm entirely willing to concede that 

[DaJe]

Legion64 wrote...

How much did Bioware pay them?

They are best friends, no need to pay anything at this point.

[DaJe]

Jackster94 wrote...

@ Cyrannt

I am not a troll. I hated the ending but it is their story, not ours

They said it is ours. They lied. See the problem?

[Dridengx]

I agree with them but then I agree with all the major review sites, gamefaqs, gametrailers, destructiod, and everyone else with common sense that know its just a video game

Modifié par Dridengx, 18 mars 2012 - 09:18 .

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

Vaktathi wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

@Vaktathi

I do appreciate the mature, and intelligent discussion we have had, god knows I have tried to make the same point in other threads and I was flamed hardcore for doing so because people thought I was on the "other side."

I would like to reiterate to everyone that I am not on either side, I was just expressing what my opinion on the polls floating the web are.

It's always nice to have an intelligent and informed discussion on things on webforums. Your point has validity and I'm entirely willing to concede that 

As does your point 

[Fishy]

The only thing that came to my mind when the video was over...

Tool.

The end.

[Heather Cline]

This is just PR move to delay and placate people. I don't agree and that's all I have to say on the matter.

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

DaJe wrote...

Jackster94 wrote...

@ Cyrannt

I am not a troll. I hated the ending but it is their story, not ours

They said it is ours. They lied. See the problem?

I agree, It is "your story" and "your shepard," but only to an extent by which the choices you are allowed to make.  It is still Bioware's game and their vision though.  We all can't have our very own personalized endings.  It just does not work that way.

[Xzi]

IGN gets paid by EA on a regular basis.  Who cares what they have to say?

Expecting the ending to be on par with the rest of the game is not an unreasonable demand.  Nor does that expectation make me overly-entitled.

Just as we received and rejected that abortion DA2 under the assumption that the Dragon Age series was meant to be a revival of the Baldur's Gate-type game, in Bioware's own words, so must we reject this.  We were fed the line "your choices matter" over and over throughout the development of the Mass Effect games, and in the end they really didn't.  At all.  Push-button endings are the worst kind of lazy and poor design mechanics.  And Mass Effect 3 was the absolute worst choice for a game to include them in, bar none.

[Legendaryred]

You do realize they get their revenue from EA? Like hell they would speak against EA, that's the problem with "gaming" journalism, there is no integrity, they're all in the big corpo pockets.

[AkiKishi]

[image spam removed]

Not sure who those guys are but it was still funny.

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 18 mars 2012 - 09:51 .

[kbct]

Legendaryred wrote...

You do realize they get their revenue from EA? Like hell they would speak against EA, that's the problem with "gaming" journalism, there is no integrity, they're all in the big corpo pockets.

Yeah, it's hard to explain the disparity between all the perfect scores from professional reviewers and the thousands of low users scores without considering the professionals might not be as objective as they want everyone to believe.

[kbct]

BobSmith101 wrote...

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Not sure who those guys are but it was still funny.

Good stuff.

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 18 mars 2012 - 09:52 .

[Kadi]

i agree with him actually and i don't like IGN very much at all, because I went into Mass Effect 3, knowing that the ending of the game had to be big, and bittersweet. because against a force so powerful and unknown, the odds of success were very little, even in the first game, how many ships did it take to defeat sovereign?

I knew it wouldn't be a picnic and i was okay with that. and so i understand why and how the endings are what they are. and whilst I wanted an ending equal to Metal gear solid 4, I didn't want everything explained, as the potential for other games in the universe could do that. but i wanted more Harbinger, and perhaps a bigger montage of the squad.

and sure im probably in the minority on here saying so, but i stand by my opinion, which is
the game was awesome, and im not going to judge the whole experience of the game or the entire franchise because i didn't get everything i wanted at the end.

[Xzi]

kbct wrote...

Legendaryred wrote...

You do realize they get their revenue from EA? Like hell they would speak against EA, that's the problem with "gaming" journalism, there is no integrity, they're all in the big corpo pockets.

Yeah, it's hard to explain the disparity between all the perfect scores from professional reviewers and the thousands of low users scores without considering the professionals might not be as objective as they want everyone to believe.

Of course they aren't.  The difference between the median user score and the median reviewer score for Dragon Age 2 was massive.  You can't trust them to be objective about any game made by a developer that EA or Activision is the parent company of.  They're in it for the money, and there's a direct correlation between review scores and sales.  That being the case, there's no way they're going to play fair.

That said, I had only two real issues with Mass Effect 3.  Those god-awful slo-mo dream sequences, and the ending(s).  It was a GREAT experience other than that.