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[SNascimento]

 First, I need to say why the endings are good.
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Let's focus on the big picture and not be short sighted. Shepard gave the galaxy for the first time in millions of years a change to develop again in its own way, more than that, with the destruction of the mass relays, each species will evolve in a more unique way. And this for me is the beauty of the endings. Actually, if you take the green ending, life will develop in a way that not even the creator of the reapers could have fallowed.
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Think about the Krogans, for example. They will be able to rebuild themselves with minimum interference from other species, a chance they never had. Same thing for the quarians and geth... depending ony your actions, they will try to live on peace together... and alone. The success of it will depend on the creators and the created, no one else. And so on.
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And it's not like the galaxy will be isolated. From the codex we know ships in ME can travel something like 10 light years per day, that is very fast. Maybe not fast enough to the wide galaxy travels, but enough for most  people go back to their homeworld from Earth if they want (Wrex, for example) and enough for space travel and colonization to be viable.
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In this part, I don't think the game lacked any closure of made our decisions meaninless. They do matter, but in a context different from the one in which they were made. A better one, if you will.
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Not that everything was perfect, though. The dialogue with the Guardian was worse than I expected. It was something we were expecting since ME1, and it just didn't deliver. And of course, the Normandy flying away. That was just out of place, I wouldn't mind a bit of clarification there.
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Now that it's all said, here is why Bioware CANNOT change the endings:
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Simply put, it will be a crime with those who actually liked it. Who actually feels their jurney with Commander Shepard came to a meaninful and fulfilling conclusion. They cannot just take it away from those people.
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Now, Bioware shouldn't change the endings at all, but if they want to tweak them a bit, the only thing I would ask is to not change them. Maybe improve the Normandy scene a bit, or offer a bit more option like what Shepard will do with the reapers once you control them. But in no way just erase the ones that are there and put new ones in the place.

[SkyCaptanio]

If they released it as DLC then people who liked the original endings could just not download it.

[lasertank]

Change them or Bioware you'll lose the support of majority.

[Jaraldur]

Noted. "Yes. We are listening"

[RavenEyry]

I'd like to see the krogans on Tuchanka rebuild while Wrex and a large amount of his supporters are stranded on Earth.

[legion999]

So if 99% hated something but 1% liked it it shouldn't be changed because of that 1%? What about the 99%?

[warrior256]

It may be a crime in your eyes for Bioware to change the ending, but it will be a crime in the eyes of the majority of players if they do nothing.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Sparatus wrote...

Actually,

I'm pretty sure the relays exploding will vaporize most of the galaxy. Discounting that. And the lack of any real closure of the characters and events people actually cared about. There are still the massive plotholes the Catalyst existing creates.

You can dismantle a nuclear missle without setting it off.  It all depends on how you dismantle it.  Same thing applies to the relays.  Don't crash an asteroid in to the relay and do destroy it in a controlled manner and everything will be a-ok.

[VegaMendoza]

What part DLC being optional do you not get?

[kunzite]

I agree with most of your post, OP. There are some parts of the ending that would be acceptable, if only fleshed out a bit more.

You have addressed the issue of closure and why you are fine with it, and it was nicely put. Do you have any thoughts about the Star Child? That is a major issue for some of us as well, and I would be curious what you're take on that is.

[S Atomeha]

SNascimento wrote...

 First, I need to say why the endings are good.
.
Let's focus on the big picture and not be short sighted. Shepard gave the galaxy for the first time in millions of years a change to develop again in its own way, more than that, with the destruction of the mass relays, each species will evolve in a more unique way. And this for me is the beauty of the endings. Actually, if you take the green ending, life will develop in a way that not even the creator of the reapers could have fallowed.
.
Think about the Krogans, for example. They will be able to rebuild themselves with minimum interference from other species, a chance they never had. Same thing for the quarians and geth... depending ony your actions, they will try to live on peace together... and alone. The success of it will depend on the creators and the created, no one else. And so on.
.
And it's not like the galaxy will be isolated. From the codex we know ships in ME can travel something like 10 light years per day, that is very fast. Maybe not fast enough to the wide galaxy travels, but enough for most  people go back to their homeworld from Earth if they want (Wrex, for example) and enough for space travel and colonization to be viable.
.
In this part, I don't think the game lacked any closure of made our decisions meaninless. They do matter, but in a context different from the one in which they were made. A better one, if you will.
.
Not that everything was perfect, though. The dialogue with the Guardian was worse than I expected. It was something we were expecting since ME1, and it just didn't deliver. And of course, the Normandy flying away. That was just out of place, I wouldn't mind a bit of clarification there.
.
Now that it's all said, here is why Bioware CANNOT change the endings:
.
Simply put, it will be a crime with those who actually liked it. Who actually feels their jurney with Commander Shepard came to a meaninful and fulfilling conclusion. They cannot just take it away from those people.
.
Now, Bioware shouldn't change the endings at all, but if they want to tweak them a bit, the only thing I would ask is to not change them. Maybe improve the Normandy scene a bit, or offer a bit more option like what Shepard will do with the reapers once you control them. But in no way just erase the ones that are there and put new ones in the place.

Tuchanka is a nuclear wasteland.... I'm pretty sure they had to import a lot... same with ranoch...

[KaeserZen]

SNascimento wrote...

 First, I need to say why the endings are good.

I'm sorry man, not to be disrepectful, but I stopped reading here.

You can't say the endings are good. You can say you like them.

[Venturisection]

http://www.facebook....MassEffect3Poll its saying otherwise as is the BW one : http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/ Simply put it would be a crime not to change it for the thousands who think the ending is total utter nonsense http://calitreview.com/24673

[BBCH]

SkyCaptanio wrote...

If they released it as DLC then people who liked the original endings could just not download it.

this

why should new endings nullify the previous ones for those who liked them?

[Vito_Raliffe]

It seems like people who enjoy the endings are the ones who understand them the least.

[revo76]

''Thanks for your feedback ! Is there anything else to say about hundreds of plotholes we made during the final ?''

[Liber320]

legion999 wrote...

So if 99% hated something but 1% liked it it shouldn't be changed because of that 1%? What about the 99%?

We are the 99%!

[Priss Blackburne]

So go with the minority ? even with a lot of people not going to the forums there is a huge gap in people liking the ending.

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

[Plaim]

I'm sure there's a way to appease both sets of fans. I, for one, would like to see them add more possible endings, which means they wouldn't have to change the ones we have now. I don't know anything about game development though, so I'm not sure how possible that would be.

[Alamar2078]

Honestly I don't believe that BW's statements about the ending of ME3 were delivered on. I think it would be a worse crime not to go back and give us an ending that matches their promises.

If you like the endings then that is just fine. You would not have to download any "DLC" that altered the endings so your individual endings would be left perfectly intact. For people that want a look at what "could have been" or a "Shepard from an alternate reality" then they could snag the DLC.

Honestly I think that's the best compromise of all.

[LadyofRivendell]

Simple: People who like the endings, don't buy the DLC.

I'm hoping they'll add on to the end, not change it completely. What we have now has good potential, and clearly ends in a cliffhanger for a lot of us. Of course, I'm also an Indoc Theorist, so there's my two cents.

[Carnage752]

Liber320 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

So if 99% hated something but 1% liked it it shouldn't be changed because of that 1%? What about the 99%?

We are the 99%!

We aren't occupy guys. We know what we want.

[Catroi]

This is why we should have got:
http://i.imgur.com/JhtqY.jpg

What we got is a bad joke

[The Real Bowser]

Bioware CANNOT change the endings

First, I need to say why the endings are good.

I read this much and I can already tell what the gist of the rest of the thread is.

1. They can change the endings.
2. Your opinion is not fact, no matter how much you wish it to be. (real shocking, I know)
3. The endings are bad according to the majority of the playerbase. You are in the minority. Those of us that want the ending changed don't want to ruin your endings, we just want ours. So if you want to mindlessly follow starkid's flawed logic and kill off Shepard letting them win, feel free, but we're not going to put up with this crappy storytelling.