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[Costin_Razvan]

Meltemph: The crucible firing destroys the Citadel. The Citadel controls and coordinates all the Relays, and after you just blew that up you hit the Relays with an energy wave that overcharges them? How are they going to survive that?

You have a superweapon that is firing enough energy to destroy a Reaper, hell you have a weapon capable of wiping out ALL life in the galaxy and you think that's not going to do anything a Relay?

As for new rules: You mean in a sequel? Based on information we have Bioware doesn't plan on creating a game set after ME3, doesn't mean we can't have prequels though which I strongly suspect we will.

As for Control: Here's my assumption, and yes in regards to the endings comes down to assumptions, Shepard's body disintegrates but his consciousness is transferred to the Citadel and he replaces the Catalyst as the overmind of the Reapers.

ticklefist: You assume there won't be an uproar just as big or even bigger as the one currently on the internet? One thing is an ending some people hate, another is ending DLC. A LOT of people would hate ending DLC, and what's the point for them to spend money on this when it will just get them more hate and likely lose them a hell lot of sales.

So if Bioware is to make an ending DLC then they need to know for certain that:

1) A vast majority of people hate the endings, and no a few thousand does not count as this.
2) They won't ****** a lot of people off.

Can you imagine the reactions?

"Oh yeah ME3. Epic game but you need DLC for the ending."

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 18 mars 2012 - 08:46 .

[Ryoten]

To quote spock:

"The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few, or the one"

[Zix13]

SNascimento wrote...

 First, I need to say why the endings are good.
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Let's focus on the big picture and not be short sighted. Shepard gave the galaxy for the first time in millions of years a change to develop again in its own way, more than that, with the destruction of the mass relays, each species will evolve in a more unique way. And this for me is the beauty of the endings. Actually, if you take the green ending, life will develop in a way that not even the creator of the reapers could have fallowed.
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Think about the Krogans, for example. They will be able to rebuild themselves with minimum interference from other species, a chance they never had. Same thing for the quarians and geth... depending ony your actions, they will try to live on peace together... and alone. The success of it will depend on the creators and the created, no one else. And so on.
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And it's not like the galaxy will be isolated. From the codex we know ships in ME can travel something like 10 light years per day, that is very fast. Maybe not fast enough to the wide galaxy travels, but enough for most  people go back to their homeworld from Earth if they want (Wrex, for example) and enough for space travel and colonization to be viable.
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In this part, I don't think the game lacked any closure of made our decisions meaninless. They do matter, but in a context different from the one in which they were made. A better one, if you will.
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Not that everything was perfect, though. The dialogue with the Guardian was worse than I expected. It was something we were expecting since ME1, and it just didn't deliver. And of course, the Normandy flying away. That was just out of place, I wouldn't mind a bit of clarification there.
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Now that it's all said, here is why Bioware CANNOT change the endings:
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Simply put, it will be a crime with those who actually liked it. Who actually feels their jurney with Commander Shepard came to a meaninful and fulfilling conclusion. They cannot just take it away from those people.
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Now, Bioware shouldn't change the endings at all, but if they want to tweak them a bit, the only thing I would ask is to not change them. Maybe improve the Normandy scene a bit, or offer a bit more option like what Shepard will do with the reapers once you control them. But in no way just erase the ones that are there and put new ones in the place.

a) they wouldn't be forcing anyone to download a new ending.
even if they did, that's 5% who would be pissed and 95% that would go from pissed to happy
c) I don't understand how you can argue that the endings were good....

[General Jack D. Ripper]

We only want endings that take our choices into consideration. We don't want to delete the current endings. Just add to them.

[Costin_Razvan]

General Jack D. Ripper wrote...

We only want endings that take our choices into consideration. We don't want to delete the current endings. Just add to them.

You are saying EMS doesn't affect the endings at all? Really.

EMS represent your collective CHOICES, and the other assets you get. To say the endings do not take your choices into account is BS of the highest damned degree.

[OblivionDawn]

General Jack D. Ripper wrote...

We only want endings that take our choices into consideration. We don't want to delete the current endings. Just add to them.

A thousand times this.

The EMS has NO effect on the ending except your the number of colors you're allowed to choose, and how much of Jurassic Park you get to see.

[jcmccorm]

After finishing the game, I fully expected to join the forum to swap cool stories with other people about how their game was different based on their choices and what I should try differently to get a cool ending. What I got was, "OMG, everything was the same and sucked." I then tried the GREEN ending. I was mortified.

Modifié par jcmccorm, 18 mars 2012 - 09:09 .

[Pirates10i]

this forum could not be any more wrong... these endings sucked end of story...All your choices mean nothing when everytime everything is left up to 3 choices

[Bedavenerabilis]

And YES, its is just fact that nothing i ever did in the three games up until the last minutes has ever been taken into account in the endings. Except for gaining enough war assets to not letting earth being vaporized, i admit. But other than that- none of my choices and actions matter, PLUS the ending is full of plotholes. These plotholes are fact as well. People who claim they "undearstand" maybe don't realize or don't care. Its their right. I can't but realize.

If Bioware decides to change this, i can only welcome it.

Thanks

[terdferguson123]

I am so sick of all you "Take Back ME3" posters. You guys are so annoying and your wrong about the majority of what you say. The ending does explain what happened, you just weren't paying attention throughout most of the game/series apparently.

Secondly, if I hear another person say your choices don't matter I will literally **** a brick. YOUR CHOICES MATTER, all of the stuff you do up until the end of the game are choices you make, the consequences of those choices effect who goes into battle with you through your EMS. What else do you need? Do you really need some reassuring voice at the end to tell you that the Geth fought for you, even though you already know they did? This argument about your choices not effecting that game makes no sense, and never has.

Is it so hard to believe that when fighting an ultra powerful force that was literally designed to destroy all advanced life in the galaxy that you won't be able to get out of that fight without something dastardly happening to the galaxy. The OP is right, and Shepard says it from the very beginning "This is about Survival." That's exactly what it is, I'm so sorry that you didn't pay attention throughout the game when everyone had a bleak output about what would happen. Did you guys actually take Garrus' "vacation island" literally, if you did your an idiot. He knew that the vast majority of life in the galaxy as well as possibly himself was going to die, it's called coping, thinking about those things that you wish you had before you die.

The point is, the endings are exactly what this series has been culminating too since we found out about the Reapers. To stop their cycle, something drastic had to change, if you guys could see for a second that possibly the destruction of the Mass Effect relays was actually the right choice for the LONG-TERM. I realize that nobody wants to see the majority of people die due to your choices, but the point of the ending was that in order to stop a cycle that has gone on for so long, it needs to have a fresh start.

It's depressing, it's bleak, and it's rough, but if you thought it was going to be any different then I question whether you have been playing the same series as I have. Again, I quote Shepard "It's about survival" Changing the endings would be doing a disservice to this theme of absolute survival at all costs, that has persisted throughout the entirety of the series.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 18 mars 2012 - 09:30 .

[MizzNaaa]

Why are you guys humoring the OP?

I'm sorry, but I can't respect anyone who doesn't want others to have options like he does. Yes, you like the ending, good for you, OP.

Now, what exactly is so bad about us getting an optional DLC that adds new endings/adds to the current endings and gives us what we want to see?

You get what you want, we get what we want. Everyone's happy.

[Swisspease]

terdferguson123 wrote...

I am so sick of all you "Take Back ME3" posters. You guys are so annoying and your wrong about the majority of what you say. The ending does explain what happened, you just weren't paying attention throughout most of the game/series apparently.

Secondly, if I hear another person say your choices don't matter I will literally **** a brick. YOUR CHOICES MATTER, all of the stuff you do up until the end of the game are choices you make, the consequences of those choices effect who goes into battle with you through your EMS. What else do you need? Do you really need some reassuring voice at the end to tell you that the Geth fought for you, even though you already know they did? This argument about your choices not effecting that game makes no sense, and never has.

Is it so hard to believe that when fighting an ultra powerful force that was literally designed to destroy all advanced life in the galaxy that you won't be able to get out of that fight without something dastardly happening to the galaxy. The OP is right, and Shepard says it from the very beginning "This is about Survival." That's exactly what it is, I'm so sorry that you didn't pay attention throughout the game when everyone had a bleak output about what would happen. Did you guys actually take Garrus' "vacation island" literally, if you did your an idiot. He knew that the vast majority of life in the galaxy as well as possibly himself was going to die, it's called coping, thinking about those things that you wish you had before you die.

The point is, the endings are exactly what this series has been culminating too since we found out about the Reapers. To stop their cycle, something drastic had to change, if you guys could see for a second that possibly the destruction of the Mass Effect relays was actually the right choice for the LONG-TERM. I realize that nobody wants to see the majority of people die due to your choices, but the point of the ending was that in order to stop a cycle that has gone on for so long, it needs to have a fresh start.

It's depressing, it's bleak, and it's rough, but if you thought it was going to be any different then I question whether you have been playing the same series as I have. Again, I quote Shepard "It's about survival" Changing the endings would be doing a disservice to this theme of absolute survival at all costs, that has persisted throughout the entirety of the series.

Watch this and understand how we feel
www.youtube.com/watch

[MizzNaaa]

terdferguson123 wrote...

I am so sick of all you "Take Back ME3" posters. You guys are so annoying and your wrong about the majority of what you say. The ending does explain what happened, you just weren't paying attention throughout most of the game/series apparently.

Secondly, if I hear another person say your choices don't matter I will literally **** a brick. YOUR CHOICES MATTER, all of the stuff you do up until the end of the game are choices you make, the consequences of those choices effect who goes into battle with you through your EMS. What else do you need? Do you really need some reassuring voice at the end to tell you that the Geth fought for you, even though you already know they did? This argument about your choices not effecting that game makes no sense, and never has.

Is it so hard to believe that when fighting an ultra powerful force that was literally designed to destroy all advanced life in the galaxy that you won't be able to get out of that fight without something dastardly happening to the galaxy. The OP is right, and Shepard says it from the very beginning "This is about Survival." That's exactly what it is, I'm so sorry that you didn't pay attention throughout the game when everyone had a bleak output about what would happen. Did you guys actually take Garrus' "vacation island" literally, if you did your an idiot. He knew that the vast majority of life in the galaxy as well as possibly himself was going to die, it's called coping, thinking about those things that you wish you had before you die.

The point is, the endings are exactly what this series has been culminating too since we found out about the Reapers. To stop their cycle, something drastic had to change, if you guys could see for a second that possibly the destruction of the Mass Effect relays was actually the right choice for the LONG-TERM. I realize that nobody wants to see the majority of people die due to your choices, but the point of the ending was that in order to stop a cycle that has gone on for so long, it needs to have a fresh start.

It's depressing, it's bleak, and it's rough, but if you thought it was going to be any different then I question whether you have been playing the same series as I have. Again, I quote Shepard "It's about survival" Changing the endings would be doing a disservice to this theme of absolute survival at all costs, that has persisted throughout the entirety of the series.

You need to take a chill pill.

You also need to realize that no one's asking for BioWare to force-change your precious ending. We're asking for DLC. Extra content that you can completely forgo...why are you so 'worried' about your story, if what we want won't affect it in the slightest?

Don't like the new options we're asking for? Don't get the DLC. See? problem solved.

What I'm sick of is people not wanting other people to have other options in a game that has always been about options. No one's asking BW to take away what you like, why are you so against BW giving us what we like? if it won't affect what  you like?<_<

[Nykara]

SNascimento wrote...

 First, I need to say why the endings are good.
.
Let's focus on the big picture and not be short sighted. Shepard gave the galaxy for the first time in millions of years a change to develop again in its own way, more than that, with the destruction of the mass relays, each species will evolve in a more unique way. And this for me is the beauty of the endings. Actually, if you take the green ending, life will develop in a way that not even the creator of the reapers could have fallowed.
.
Think about the Krogans, for example. They will be able to rebuild themselves with minimum interference from other species, a chance they never had. Same thing for the quarians and geth... depending ony your actions, they will try to live on peace together... and alone. The success of it will depend on the creators and the created, no one else. And so on.
.
And it's not like the galaxy will be isolated. From the codex we know ships in ME can travel something like 10 light years per day, that is very fast. Maybe not fast enough to the wide galaxy travels, but enough for most  people go back to their homeworld from Earth if they want (Wrex, for example) and enough for space travel and colonization to be viable.
.
In this part, I don't think the game lacked any closure of made our decisions meaninless. They do matter, but in a context different from the one in which they were made. A better one, if you will.
.
Not that everything was perfect, though. The dialogue with the Guardian was worse than I expected. It was something we were expecting since ME1, and it just didn't deliver. And of course, the Normandy flying away. That was just out of place, I wouldn't mind a bit of clarification there.
.
Now that it's all said, here is why Bioware CANNOT change the endings:
.
Simply put, it will be a crime with those who actually liked it. Who actually feels their jurney with Commander Shepard came to a meaninful and fulfilling conclusion. They cannot just take it away from those people.
.
Now, Bioware shouldn't change the endings at all, but if they want to tweak them a bit, the only thing I would ask is to not change them. Maybe improve the Normandy scene a bit, or offer a bit more option like what Shepard will do with the reapers once you control them. But in no way just erase the ones that are there and put new ones in the place.

The ending does NOT need to be changed it just needs MORE options. Those who liked it as is could still continue on as is while the rest of us tell the Star Child to get lost and take our chances with our guns.

In saying that though, with the ending as intended Bioware always had a plan. The ending is going somewhere its just not completed YET

[Cyruge]

since the ones who like the ending are in the minority, Bioware will win more than they will lose if they change it

[aliengmr1]

To the OP,
Thank you for not being a condescending ass. I disagree, but you stated your opinion minus the pretense that the rest of us "just didn't get it". So this is my bump for you

[xeNNN]

you do realise that even with your long winded post that an ending fixed can be added while at the same time keeping the old endings without removing or deleting parts of it?

also it would take a simple patch to make the necessary arrangements (ive been studying to become a games designer my tutor even said that such a thing can be done with relative ease) to keep the old ending but allow a new one. (the link below is to the company thats supplying my course materials, if your interested)
http://www.train2gam...gn=TradeDoubler


the game would simply need to ask you a question before you start the single player

"would you like the alternative ending to be added to the game and the regular ending removed ? or do you wish to stick to the regular end game sequence?"

answer to that question would be a yes or no.

so you see they dont need to remove it they just need to make a patch and add an alternative ways to end the game ... so both sides are happy and you have a choice in the matter.

seriously some people need to think there post's through.

(no offence OP & thank you for being nice and less of a jerk than a majority of people who like the ending, insulting posts of why they like the endings and why we are wrong is so annoying but you didnt do that and i thank you.)

Modifié par xeNNN, 18 mars 2012 - 09:50 .

[terdferguson123]

MizzNaaa wrote...

You need to take a chill pill.

You also need to realize that no one's asking for BioWare to force-change your precious ending. We're asking for DLC. Extra content that you can completely forgo...why are you so 'worried' about your story, if what we want won't affect it in the slightest?

Don't like the new options we're asking for? Don't get the DLC. See? problem solved.

What I'm sick of is people not wanting other people to have other options in a game that has always been about options. No one's asking BW to take away what you like, why are you so against BW giving us what we like? if it won't affect what  you like?<_<

Listen, what I am saying is that if you honestly believe that going up against a race of machines literally designed to destroy all advanced civilization in the galaxy won't result in some kind of insane galactic change then you are a fool. Things would not just "go back to normal" after something like that happens. Mass Effect 3's ending shows a realistic look at what might happen in that scenario, the technology that got them to that point is destroyed along with a large chunk of the galaxy. What I am saying is that: All 3 games have had this lingering doomsday to them, they have constantly been preparing people for this massive galactic shift, and has always pounded into your head that the fight of the Reapers would be about survival, not winning. All I am saying is that, if you were expecting differently, then I think you have been playing the wrong game. Sure, destroying most of the current galaxies life now seems horrible, but think of all the lives Shepard has saved in the future from this cycle repeating itself. The milky way galaxy is roughly 13 billion years old, if the Reapers came every 50,000 years to destroy galactic civilization, im sure you can imagine just how many died from this cycle. Shepard, finally ended it, it may not seem the best for the current galaxy, but it is the best in the long term.

So, you think that Bioware, who has been preparing you for this scenario from the moment you saw the beacon on Eden Prime, should change the ending that you should have known was coming, to some unrealistic "everything goes back to normal" happy fairytale ending? I think that you guys are being arrogant, demanding them to make a new ending even though the current one is exactly what you knew was coming from the start.

Also to your comment about "everyone getting what they like" when has Mass Effect ultimately EVER been about always getting what you like. If I got what I liked, then I wouldn't have had to make a choice between the council and the humans. If Mass Effect was about getting what I like then I would not have had to make a choice to save either Ashley or Kaidan, If Mass Effect was always about getting what I like then I would have been able to convince Mordin to save the Genophage another way without killing himself in the process. Do you see what I am getting at? The games have always been about making sacrifices. What is so wrong with sacrificing what's current in the galaxy to save the galaxy millions of times in the future from the Reaper cycle. Mass Effect has NEVER been about always getting what you like.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 18 mars 2012 - 09:54 .

[JamesYHT]

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[MeatShieldGriff]

I'm glad that there are some people who enjoyed the ending. An optional DLC should preserve your ending and give us ours. And I'm willing to listen to any opposing view to the retake movement that matches our donation to Child's Play.

[pbaq]

Minority or majority doesn't matter. If someone likes the ending, yay for you. Let that be YOUR ending. The thing they need to address with the end is the fact that good or not, deep or not, it simply didn't make sense. Personally, I don't think they will change it; I think what we're getting is just enough to ease up and then they'll move on to something else. The reason? We're trying to convinve Bioware when EA couldn't give a fart in a windstorm about Bioware's faithful community. I hope they prove me wrong, but this the OP will get his wish.

[terdferguson123]

pbaq wrote...

Minority or majority doesn't matter. If someone likes the ending, yay for you. Let that be YOUR ending. The thing they need to address with the end is the fact that good or not, deep or not, it simply didn't make sense. Personally, I don't think they will change it; I think what we're getting is just enough to ease up and then they'll move on to something else. The reason? We're trying to convinve Bioware when EA couldn't give a fart in a windstorm about Bioware's faithful community. I hope they prove me wrong, but this the OP will get his wish.

What didn't make sense? Explain please.

[Bedavenerabilis]

terdferguson123 wrote...

I am so sick of all you "Take Back ME3" posters. You guys are so annoying and your wrong about the majority of what you say. The ending does explain what happened, you just weren't paying attention throughout most of the game/series apparently.
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Well, explain it to me, I am really eager to understand. I played the first two games several times, and i did not get it how the explanation of the Catalyst fits withy any of the events from ME 1 for example (why did the child- appearance need Saren at all? Why not taking control of the Citadel  and letting the reapers proceed as planned? I can't really undesrstand.) Please could you also explain what about the "Organics must be killed to avoid extinction through synthetics" explanation fits with what the Reapers we could talk to always said: that their true nature was incomprehensible. Well, i got this explanation.- also it was pretty easy to get it, although i wasn't able to comprehend the rest of the games obviously Can you tell me how its all connected please? Or someone?

But really- my choices clearly DO NOT matter, or did i miss that too. An example: I kill all geth: i get the red, the blue and the green ending to choose from. I let the geth live: i get the red, the blue and the green ending to choose from. All i can see is the war asset difference between those- but i can supplement the war assets by finding artifacts. If i can supplement it- how does my choice matter?

Modifié par Bedavenerabilis, 18 mars 2012 - 10:01 .

[Lietuvis]

Are you an idiot? 91% dont like the ending.

[LucidStrike]

...[GUESS] you, OP. :L