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[Nightdragon8]

The problem is that all the mass relays die in all 3 endings. Without he relays thre is no long distance travel, and sense very few civs anywhere remotly near eachother, that is huge problem.

Plus the fat that if you have all those ships and all those races with out and some of them can't even eat the same food or drink the same water (without a serious risk of infection because of different gentitics. You now have Turians and Quarians who can not eat food on Earth, so they are doomed to die, Same with the Krogaon, If you talked to EDI after getting the Krogan she says that they need there own food and it will have to be shipped with them.

No one is really asking for a Rainbows and Unicorns ending. (tho it would be nice to have a happy ending hell make it with the destory ending considering you have so much Syntic stuff that more than likly you are stuck in the hosptial for the rest of your days.)

Just because its the end of "Shepards" story doesn't mean he has to die. And after all of that crap, I think he would retare anyway. He will end up going on tour as the "big *** damn hero"

There are other ways of "ending a story" without the Hero dieing, TVtrops.org has tons of examples, hell why don't they take a page out of the Dragon Age book, The hero and the lover desappier, after taking a shuttle.

[Sp Diablo]

xeNNN wrote...

you do realise that even with your long winded post that an ending fixed can be added while at the same time keeping the old endings without removing or deleting parts of it?

also it would take a simple patch to make the necessary arrangements (ive been studying to become a games designer my tutor even said that such a thing can be done with relative ease) to keep the old ending but allow a new one. (the link below is to the company thats supplying my course materials, if your interested)
http://www.train2gam...gn=TradeDoubler


the game would simply need to ask you a question before you start the single player

"would you like the alternative ending to be added to the game and the regular ending removed ? or do you wish to stick to the regular end game sequence?"

answer to that question would be a yes or no.

so you see they dont need to remove it they just need to make a patch and add an alternative ways to end the game ... so both sides are happy and you have a choice in the matter.

seriously some people need to think there post's through.

(no offence OP & thank you for being nice and less of a jerk than a majority of people who like the ending, insulting posts of why they like the endings and why we are wrong is so annoying but you didnt do that and i thank you.)

Thank you this is what I have been thinking they could do and everyone would be happy. Instead everyone is insulting each other and we don't even get any real feedback from bioware/EA.

[Swisspease]

terdferguson123 wrote...

pbaq wrote...

Minority or majority doesn't matter. If someone likes the ending, yay for you. Let that be YOUR ending. The thing they need to address with the end is the fact that good or not, deep or not, it simply didn't make sense. Personally, I don't think they will change it; I think what we're getting is just enough to ease up and then they'll move on to something else. The reason? We're trying to convinve Bioware when EA couldn't give a fart in a windstorm about Bioware's faithful community. I hope they prove me wrong, but this the OP will get his wish.

What didn't make sense? Explain please.

What didn't make sense? Ok, again I will give you a link to watch this video www.youtube.com/watch

[xeNNN]

Sp Diablo wrote...

xeNNN wrote...

you do realise that even with your long winded post that an ending fixed can be added while at the same time keeping the old endings without removing or deleting parts of it?

also it would take a simple patch to make the necessary arrangements (ive been studying to become a games designer my tutor even said that such a thing can be done with relative ease) to keep the old ending but allow a new one. (the link below is to the company thats supplying my course materials, if your interested)
http://www.train2gam...gn=TradeDoubler


the game would simply need to ask you a question before you start the single player

"would you like the alternative ending to be added to the game and the regular ending removed ? or do you wish to stick to the regular end game sequence?"

answer to that question would be a yes or no.

so you see they dont need to remove it they just need to make a patch and add an alternative ways to end the game ... so both sides are happy and you have a choice in the matter.

seriously some people need to think there post's through.

(no offence OP & thank you for being nice and less of a jerk than a majority of people who like the ending, insulting posts of why they like the endings and why we are wrong is so annoying but you didnt do that and i thank you.)

Thank you this is what I have been thinking they could do and everyone would be happy. Instead everyone is insulting each other and we don't even get any real feedback from bioware/EA.

exactly... its the simplest and easiest solution to keep the old ending and add some new ones.  

i understand people dont want anything changed but since when was comprimse ever a non efficient way to appease both parties. 

my tutor even asked me to come into the office where he worked and showed me how the process would work. to be honest  you need to spend like 1 week on a mini patch to apply the arrangements and then maybe 2 months (obviously) to build the new endings and incorperate them.  easiest solution to appease both parties seriously.  

Modifié par xeNNN, 18 mars 2012 - 10:12 .

[ticklefist]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

ticklefist: You assume there won't be an uproar just as big or even bigger as the one currently on the internet? One thing is an ending some people hate, another is ending DLC. A LOT of people would hate ending DLC, and what's the point for them to spend money on this when it will just get them more hate and likely lose them a hell lot of sales.

So if Bioware is to make an ending DLC then they need to know for certain that:

1) A vast majority of people hate the endings, and no a few thousand does not count as this.
2) They won't ****** a lot of people off.

Can you imagine the reactions?

"Oh yeah ME3. Epic game but you need DLC for the ending."

We agree but I'm not sure if you realize that. But you're in denial if you think that only "a few thousand" aren't satisfied with this game. Maybe a few thousand... PER ZIP CODE.

[MeatShieldGriff]

Remember to keep it civil people. Don't give EA's PR a chance to demonize us.

[Skyhawk02]

I hope they don't change the endings, if they want to add some more cinematics or text to tell people more of what happens after that wouldn't bother me much but its still unnecessary.

[SeiLah]

 I also don't want them to change the ending.  Most people here seem to want a happy ending, where shepard go live with his love interest and everything is nice.

But we all know EA is greedy. All this movement just because of 1 character? People donating money to change the fact a character died? That's a gold mine, ready to be mined.

Having a happy ending is pretty much allowing them to continue the series just like after mass effect 2 (where shepard could survive or die). And i don't want to see this:

[Sp Diablo]

SeiLah wrote...

 I also don't want them to change the ending.  Most people here seem to want a happy ending, where shepard go live with his love interest and everything is nice.

But we all know EA is greedy. All this movement just because of 1 character? People donating money to change the fact a character died? That's a gold mine, ready to be mined.

Having a happy ending is pretty much allowing them to continue the series just like after mass effect 2 (where shepard could survive or die). And i don't want to see this:

I don't think they want just a happy ending, they just want a choice to have one or a bad ending. Basically just multiple endings that make sense based on the series and how they play the game. I personally wouldn't mind my shepard dieing to save the galaxy since thats what I was going for but if I had a choice to save him I would do that also on another play through. The way the ending stands now that just isn't possible no matter how you look at it. I understand where everyone is coming from but not everyone is even trying to understand that, not meaning you just some people who jump straight to insults.

[Priss Blackburne]

It's not the fact that Shepard dies that is upsetting us. Many of us where expecting this to happen. In fact I think it adds much more emotion to the conclusion.

It's all the plot holes and the whole God-child and it's flawed logic that is the problem. The lack of choice during the God-child conversation and the apparent resignation to this fact by Shepard who has told all the bad guys to "go to hell" the entire series. The 3 different color tinted endings of almost identical outcome.

I would have liked to have many possible endings..Shepard dies, Shepard lives. Reapers win, reapers loss. Wrex bakes me a cake. Garrus finishes calibrating.

Everything was good for me up to the God-child. I would have been actually happy if they removed the God-child but kept all the same consequences..maybe not have them different silly colors.

And explain what the heck was going on with Joker taking off with my Ship and my Love interest.

[Costin_Razvan]

We agree but I'm not sure if you realize that. But you're in denial if you think that only "a few thousand" aren't satisfied with this game. Maybe a few thousand... PER ZIP CODE.

I'm willing to grant it maybe 20-30 thousand, but I am not accepting 50 thousand. Anyone can vote multiple times on that poll. The Retake ME3 Child's Play has 3000 people who have donate so far, by the way.

[The Lightspeaker]

Ah, yes. “fulfilling conclusions”. We have dismissed this claim.

[RusselShep]

terdferguson123 wrote...

I am so sick of all you "Take Back ME3" posters. You guys are so annoying and your wrong about the majority of what you say. The ending does explain what happened, you just weren't paying attention throughout most of the game/series apparently.

...

Wow, could you sound more condescending? Of course the series has been building up to a dramatic, sacrifice driven ending. It's a war story, with soap opera influences. But the information given to you at the end violates everything that the series has driven into our heads so far. Synthetics will always kill organics? ACTUALLY, based off of my choices, the opposite is true...organics will beat and bully the synthetics into responding. Had I not interfered, the quarians would have annihilated the geth. In the end, the organics were the villains for me. But Bioware doesn't give a ****. They have a crazy finale to mass-produce, by gosh.

And so, at the end, I am presented with the exact same choices as everyone else. And hell, if I killed everyone right up until the very end, all I'd have to do is play a good 2 hours of multiplayer and still be able to get the best ending. The word "best" is dripping with sarcasm here, by the way. The series isn't about getting what we want, but it is about choice. That choice is hugely absent at the end. Your EMS determines how much of the final cutscene you see, not how you can change it.

[Dragoonlordz]

Well as I said I have no problem with optional DLC to fix your issues, I should state however I think would be a wrong move to give a choice of Shepard lives happily ever after type option. If Shepard lives people will continue to desire to see him or her again in the next title or a spin off title. This flies against the biggest element to the end of the trilogy in which all along was stated it was the end of Shepard's story but not the end of Mass Effect. I do not want Shepard back for the next title and I think letting him live will give people false hope that will be in the next game, failing that if he or she is alive there will be a lot of people asking to bring him back. Same principle as the Warden in Dragon Age franchise.

[Aiyie]

SkyCaptanio wrote...

If they released it as DLC then people who liked the original endings could just not download it.

this.

no crime committed.  the ones who liked the endings as is get em as is... the rest of us get what we were hoping for in the first place.

[The Night Mammoth]

I also don't want them to change the ending. Most people here seem to want a happy ending, where shepard go live with his love interest and everything is nice.

How many times do people need to be told that most people don't want a sinlge happy ending? Seriously, every time someone posts this crap they're shot down by half a dozen others, and it happens all the time.

We don't want a single happy ending. We want a choice of endings.

[Aweus]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

We agree but I'm not sure if you realize that. But you're in denial if you think that only "a few thousand" aren't satisfied with this game. Maybe a few thousand... PER ZIP CODE.

I'm willing to grant it maybe 20-30 thousand, but I am not accepting 50 thousand. Anyone can vote multiple times on that poll. The Retake ME3 Child's Play has 3000 people who have donate so far, by the way.

You do realize that poll is only a sample, right? Not everyone who did not liked the ending will come and vote in this poll. Same as of course not everyone who liked it will vote either. But if you have even a basic grasp of statistics science you would understand what all those online polls are implying (hint: there is a lot more of us than 20-30 thousand).

[pbaq]

terdferguson123 wrote...

pbaq wrote...

Minority or majority doesn't matter. If someone likes the ending, yay for you. Let that be YOUR ending. The thing they need to address with the end is the fact that good or not, deep or not, it simply didn't make sense. Personally, I don't think they will change it; I think what we're getting is just enough to ease up and then they'll move on to something else. The reason? We're trying to convinve Bioware when EA couldn't give a fart in a windstorm about Bioware's faithful community. I hope they prove me wrong, but this the OP will get his wish.

What didn't make sense? Explain please.

What didn't make sense was the fact that the ending, in a badly writted and rushed manner, presented more questions than it answered.  At least one of the squadmates that got barbecued with you is seen getting off of the Normandy.  The Normandy is running from a blast of energy from the other side of the solar system, when it was in the battle for Earth.  So to get to a relay, the Normandy would have to be running TO the explosion since it came from a mass relay.  Using the ME universe's own lore, an exploding relay would be akin to a star going supernova, wiping out all life in the solar system.  And last I checked, all of the civilizations were near relays.  Any other gaping plot holes you would like me to address?

[Costin_Razvan]

You do realize that poll is only a sample, right? Not everyone who did not liked the ending will come and vote in this poll. Same as of course not everyone who liked it will vote either. But if you have even a basic grasp of statistics science you would understand what all those online polls are implying (hint: there is a lot more of us than 20-30 thousand).

Are there? Well where? Can you back up your claim with anything then speculation? Can you claim the poll speaks facts for the entire ME3 fanbase? I don't believe so.

The poll is flawed. It's a purely internet poll after all, and those are always flawed.

[Aweus]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Well as I said I have no problem with optional DLC to fix your issues, I should state however I think would be a wrong move to give a choice of Shepard lives happily ever after type option. If Shepard lives people will continue to desire to see him or her again in the next title or a spin off title. This flies against the biggest element to the end of the trilogy in which all along was stated it was the end of Shepard's story but not the end of Mass Effect. I do not want Shepard back for the next title and I think letting him live will give people false hope that will be in the next game, failing that if he or she is alive there will be a lot of people asking to bring him back. Same principle as the Warden in Dragon Age franchise.

There are many people who believe there is no Mass Effect franchise. There is Commander Shepard franchise (as directly quoted from a talk I had with a friend yesterday). So in such case it is natural they want Shepard preserved. However I dont think that having Shepard in another set of God knows how many games is what we are fighting here for. At least I dont. Even if Shepard would survive, you can still just end his story right here. Besides, if you have 4000-5000 EMS and choose the "red" ending you get an implication at the end that Shepard might have survived somehow. How does this go with your claim that Shepard MUST die? Honestly, did every hero in fiction history had to die in order to end his story? No! So in any case, a "Disney ending" as some people call it should be an OPTION. Along with a set others, including also those that we already have (but with added better explanation).

[Aweus]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

You do realize that poll is only a sample, right? Not everyone who did not liked the ending will come and vote in this poll. Same as of course not everyone who liked it will vote either. But if you have even a basic grasp of statistics science you would understand what all those online polls are implying (hint: there is a lot more of us than 20-30 thousand).

Are there? Well where? Can you back up your claim with anything then speculation? Can you claim the poll speaks facts for the entire ME3 fanbase? I don't believe so.

The poll is flawed. It's a purely internet poll after all, and those are always flawed.

So in any case, you will dismiss any data that might vouch against you as flawed? In this case I dont think there is point in further discussion. I just wonder what would you be saying if Internet polls were showing overwhelming support for ME3's endings. Would it be flawed then as well? Hint from me: If I would hate the ending to tears and then went to forums and found out that majority of people are liking it, I would just shut my mouth and go cry in a corner instead of joining online movements.

Modifié par Aweus, 18 mars 2012 - 10:48 .

[LegatoSkyheart]

What? No. By All Means Bioware can keep the endings, after all they're on the freakin' disc, can't really take away what's on the disc.
No what they can do is add more options, like the option to REFUSE or to CALL OUT on the Catalyst's Bull crap.
There's so much they could do in the Final Moments that can change the outcome and ultimately change the ending without actually changing what's there.
You can have the choice to choose Red, Blue, or Green, but you can also have the choice to Acknowledge what the Ghost Kid is saying but flat out tell him to eff off or just flat out Refuse his offerings.

[Costin_Razvan]

I dismiss any poll that can be tampered with, and the current one can have that by just logging off and creating a new user, especially with all the anger right now that is expected, and as I have stated you can vote in that repeteadly without even creating a new user.

What I don't dismiss is the people who have donated to Child's Play, because for that you actually spent money and I am very much willing to accept there are 10 times as many people who dislike the endings then those who donated.

But not more, not without proof.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 18 mars 2012 - 11:02 .

[ZodiEmish]

The needs of the money out weight the needs of the few.

Translation : If Bioware, and EA thinks they will make more money, or run the risk of losing money. then they will most likely give in to make that money because they like money.

[pbaq]

I, for one, DON'T want a happy ending. I went into this knowing my Shepard would take a dirt nap. I just want an ending that reflects the games I've been playing for a few years; one where I don't have to sift through some convoluted artistic refuse that is simply an excuse for the fact that the game, by tons of evidence, was rushed. Since I won't get this because the replayability of the games is gone, I'll just find something else to put in my 360.