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[SandTrout]

Yes, they can, and most likely, they will.

You might like the endings, but you're a minority, and game developers don't survive by majorities in order to cater to minorities.

[valex-jedi]

who says replace the original ones? just an opportunity to get an alternative ending will suffice

[StarcloudSWG]

Bioware absolutely can and should change the endings.

What we wanted was closure and explanations. What we GOT was transhumanist philosophy at the end of a military space opera.

A proper ending answers questions and leaves the player satisfied. This was NOT a proper ending. It raised more questions than it answered. It was a lazy attempt to avoid writing an ending. And the recently released "Making Of ME 3 app" developers notes and interviews show that Casey Hudson *deliberately* directed his writing team away from writing a proper conclusion to the series.

[Sparse]

SNascimento wrote...

 First, I need to say why the endings are good.
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Let's focus on the big picture and not be short sighted. Shepard gave the galaxy for the first time in millions of years a change to develop again in its own way, more than that, with the destruction of the mass relays, each species will evolve in a more unique way. And this for me is the beauty of the endings. Actually, if you take the green ending, life will develop in a way that not even the creator of the reapers could have fallowed.
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Think about the Krogans, for example. They will be able to rebuild themselves with minimum interference from other species, a chance they never had. Same thing for the quarians and geth... depending ony your actions, they will try to live on peace together... and alone. The success of it will depend on the creators and the created, no one else. And so on.
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And it's not like the galaxy will be isolated. From the codex we know ships in ME can travel something like 10 light years per day, that is very fast. Maybe not fast enough to the wide galaxy travels, but enough for most  people go back to their homeworld from Earth if they want (Wrex, for example) and enough for space travel and colonization to be viable.
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In this part, I don't think the game lacked any closure of made our decisions meaninless. They do matter, but in a context different from the one in which they were made. A better one, if you will.

So the choices matter in your own mind. That is what you are saying. The choices didn't actually matter in the game but in your own story, in your head about what happens next everything plays out nicely.

It's fair enough, but I think you should be able to understand the issue many people have with the game from that.

ME3 was not a sandbox where you have to make everything up yourself, it was supposed to be a story and character driven rpg.

[Plasma Prestige]

 Your argument makes no coherent sense. Shepard proved over the course of the game that it is possible to unite the civilizations of the galaxy together for a common cause without annihilating them. Shepard is living proof that the Reapers' method is unnecessary, and yet we did not get a single dialog option to argue with the Star Child or even refuse to pick one of the options he presented to us. Unless, of course, it was all an indoctrination attempt, in which case anything is possible.

And Bioware (as well as any game developer) caters to the majority (for better or worse). Considering 90% of the population on this website hated the ending, it would not be a crime to change the ending, it would be a crime to keep it as it is. 

[ScotGaymer]

So basically the crux of your arguement is "it so isnt fair!"

Right.

That's not a good arguement mate. it really isnt.

Firstly DLC is optional. So if you want the original ending you can keep the original ending.
Secondly even if you did download the DLC, what we are asking for is the ending to be rewritten to accomodate more choices, so your preferred ending wouldnt necessarily be written out.

So no offence but your arguement fails.

[The Real Bowser]

Catroi wrote...

This is why we should have got:
http://i.imgur.com/JhtqY.jpg

What we got is a bad joke

See?  This is a well-developed ending outline.  Why the hell do we have what we have?

Modifié par The Real Bowser, 18 mars 2012 - 05:36 .

[sadako]

Corporate sockpuppets out in full force! Its cheaper than fixing the game!

[Huyna]

They can add a new ending, to what we already have.
Simply cut cgi with mass relay explodes and normandy crushing. Add a few scenes on game engines.
Relatevly cheap and effective.

[MorSterling]

Silent Rage wrote...

KaeserZen wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

 First, I need to say why the endings are good.

I'm sorry man, not to be disrepectful, but I stopped reading here.

[GiBBsBoT05]

Keep old endings, add new ones.
Even if you liked the ending, I would be excited about there being more endings coming.

[Mad-Hamlet]

I'll be succient.

It's not an This or That situation You want a nonsensical ending(And with all respect to your new found spirituality- Any creative writing teacher would fail this story so hard the kickback would shatter teeth) that's your business, but in all fairness, what you see as a crime IF, I see, and many others as well, see it as a crime now.
Frankly, I'm a selfish bastard. I can live quite happily knowing you're discomforted if my own is lessened.
Perhaps you should look at it as follows: The attempt is not to get the ending changed, but expanded upon. You want your day-glo dose of daily nihilism, go for it. We'll take a bit more than that.
Thanks.

[Subject M]

OP, I very well understand that they can not remove the endings.
But what you should understand that adding stuff does not automatically means removing the current endings. Although they also need some work and finish. You should be able to get your endings you like, but so should we as long as it stays true to the story as it has been presented and chosen up untill the finale.

Modifié par Subject M, 18 mars 2012 - 05:40 .

[BrowncoatN7]

If they release a DLC it should definitely be optional. I don't like the current endings and would want them replaced, but I don't want the ones who like them as it is to be forced to play our endings, that would be the same as it is now, except with the tables being turned.

[Jim Darksworn]

How is having more options at the end going to devalue your experience in any way? Just because your satisfied with a mediocre ending it doesnt mean the rest of us should settle.

Mass Effect is about options, all we are asking for is more of them.

[Timpossible21]

I still think the ending is...well in german i would use the term: "verkopfter Schwachsinn". In english...hm...wannabe philosophical nonsense.
BUT:
I know an artist would rather lose an arm, that just change his work, so i would understand if the ending will stay as it is. At least the whole conclusion. But I think, that it is possible that we get
A) An Ending could be changed that it allows you to keep the relays intact.
A long and detailed epilog. Something like: A DLC that let you play different persons on the big planets in a long interval like 10 years. So you can see what you (shep) did to the galaxy.

@OP
10LY/Day?
That sounds kinda promising. It just hurts me, to think that every afford i put into uniting krogan and turians, geth and quarians, is only there, to have more cannon fodder and blasting all of them back into a "dark age".

[VonVerrikan]

GiBBsBoT05 wrote...

Keep old endings, add new ones.
Even if you liked the ending, I would be excited about there being more endings coming.

This. You can always craft them into the bad/neutral endings. 

[Sainta117]

SNascimento wrote...

(snip)

Without intent to cause offense, there's really nothing new in your argument - these have all been discussed elsewhere. Bioware has the right to decide what the ending is (and currently the ending is as you prefer), but given that they are a business dependent on fan goodwill, I think it's unlikely that they'll elect *not* to revise the ending somehow. If a change is made, I will sympathize with you since you liked the original (even if I fail to see how you could possibly do so), but I'm not going to support your argument, as I believe revising the endings is important.

Ultimately, your argument boils down to: "it can't be changed because I like it." That's entirely subjective, and not particularly compelling.

[G Kevin]

If a change is given, it will always be optional. Don't worry OP, one of the goals of this movement is to satisfy everyone.

Hold the line.

Keelah se'lai

[Mandemon]

Your ship runs out of fuel pretty easily even when you travel between stars in a cluster. Almost in every single cluster you can one 2 way trip before you need to refuel.

Now, that is inside single cluster. Try flying trough an empty space with no fueling stations anywhere or any other infrastructure. Krogan DMZ are closest to Local Cluster where Sol is located.

So no. They are here to say, unless they like to die in space.

[Femlob]

There's no need to change the existing endings. Just add new ones.

[dannii2]

My reactions?

1. Open mouthed astonishment (not in a good way) and a long silence...
2. ...Immediately followed by words I cannot use here.

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[pro5]

They can and they will.

Now please stop bumping this thread people, it does not deserve to be on top.

[Thornne]

A crime? To make DLC that you can choose not to download and thus never experience, if you wish? I find the reasoning there a bit hard to follow, sorry.

[Mixxer5]

The Real Bowser wrote...

Catroi wrote...

This is why we should have got:
http://i.imgur.com/JhtqY.jpg

What we got is a bad joke

See?  This is a well-developed ending outline.  Why the hell do we have what we have?

It's much better than original. And still I'd like to have something more complicated

Modifié par Mixxer5, 18 mars 2012 - 05:42 .