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[jeska22]

beyound the story, mass effect 3 ending is bad bcs it doesn't take account any decisions you made during me1 2 or even 3..

Modifié par jeska22, 18 mars 2012 - 05:50 .

[TFulls]

warrior256 wrote...

It may be a crime in your eyes for Bioware to change the ending, but it will be a crime in the eyes of the majority of players if they do nothing.

this 

[jb1983]

SNascimento wrote...

 First, I need to say why the endings are good.
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Let's focus on the big picture and not be short sighted. Shepard gave the galaxy for the first time in millions of years a change to develop again in its own way, more than that, with the destruction of the mass relays, each species will evolve in a more unique way. And this for me is the beauty of the endings. Actually, if you take the green ending, life will develop in a way that not even the creator of the reapers could have fallowed.
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Think about the Krogans, for example. They will be able to rebuild themselves with minimum interference from other species, a chance they never had. Same thing for the quarians and geth... depending ony your actions, they will try to live on peace together... and alone. The success of it will depend on the creators and the created, no one else. And so on.
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And it's not like the galaxy will be isolated. From the codex we know ships in ME can travel something like 10 light years per day, that is very fast. Maybe not fast enough to the wide galaxy travels, but enough for most  people go back to their homeworld from Earth if they want (Wrex, for example) and enough for space travel and colonization to be viable.
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In this part, I don't think the game lacked any closure of made our decisions meaninless. They do matter, but in a context different from the one in which they were made. A better one, if you will.
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Not that everything was perfect, though. The dialogue with the Guardian was worse than I expected. It was something we were expecting since ME1, and it just didn't deliver. And of course, the Normandy flying away. That was just out of place, I wouldn't mind a bit of clarification there.
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Now that it's all said, here is why Bioware CANNOT change the endings:
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Simply put, it will be a crime with those who actually liked it. Who actually feels their jurney with Commander Shepard came to a meaninful and fulfilling conclusion. They cannot just take it away from those people.
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Now, Bioware shouldn't change the endings at all, but if they want to tweak them a bit, the only thing I would ask is to not change them. Maybe improve the Normandy scene a bit, or offer a bit more option like what Shepard will do with the reapers once you control them. But in no way just erase the ones that are there and put new ones in the place.

Make the current endings canon. The DLCs are optional downloads.

And with that, i've just negated all your ramblings. 

Oh, that and why should any company  bow down to the 2% of people who like their product?

[Sentr0]

vigna wrote...

legion999 wrote...

So if 99% hated something but 1% liked it it shouldn't be changed because of that 1%? What about the 99%?

I do think it is more like 25% vs 75%, but yeah....

you can think whatever you want, but facts say otherwise (look at my post above, legion999 is right)

[Lawliet89]

Timpossible21 wrote...

Mixxer5 wrote...


See?  This is a well-developed ending outline.  Why the hell do we have what we have?

But If BW would do this...they would have to preety much redo the whole game. Mass Effect 3.5 - Fan Edition.

How do you know that? From what the chart says, it's pretty much only the final moments. And I daresay that the game has been tracking this all along. So I think there is no need to redo the whole game.

[sadako]

This was ME2 Suicide mission.

For those of us who understand the game mechanics a  little, it just makes the ME3 ending all that more difficult to swallow.

How could you guys, who like the ME2 ending, even consider ME3 ending to be remotely complete? On what basis? SMH.

Modifié par sadako, 18 mars 2012 - 05:52 .

[bti79]

Sure they can change it. Everyone that is happy with the ending can just let it be at that.

I reckon that even among those that liked the endings, many would still like at least some explanation. I'm hoping for a happy ending option DLC myself to be quite honest.

[RedShft]

SNascimento wrote...

 First, I need to say why the endings are good.

Now that it's all said, here is why Bioware CANNOT change the endings:
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Simply put, it will be a crime with those who actually liked it. Who actually feels their jurney with Commander Shepard came to a meaninful and fulfilling conclusion. They cannot just take it away from those people.

In the event of any DLC, it would be optional. If you like how it currently is, then please feel free not to buy it.

[Vhalkyrie]

If you liked the current ending, you don't have to buy any additional DLCs, and the game still ends the way you liked it.

[d-boy15]

If they do (and I think the chance is slim...)

It sure as hell that will come as DLC. So, if you like the original just don't buy it. simple

Modifié par d-boy15, 18 mars 2012 - 05:53 .

[Someone With Mass]

Lolno. The endings were crap, both when it comes to the structure and the way they're told.

They failed to provide the closure BioWare promised, they completely ignored the characters many people cared about and they didn't even attempt to make your previous choices count for anything.

Let's go to the utter stupidity that is the Guardian. He must be most worthless piece of machinery in any work of fiction. His existence only serves to create even more plot holes like: If he was there this whole time, then why didn't he help Sovereign?

Why did Joker feel the need to retreat through the exploding relays, after picking up the dead squadmates, who are now alive and well without a single scratch? He didn't even attempt to make sure if Shepard was dead or not. His retreat is even more pointless by the fact that none of the other ships or soldiers were hurt by the pulse.

And why did the Crucible destroy the Citadel and the mass relays? Wasn't that the kind of thing we tried to avoid by bringing the best scientists in the galaxy to work on it?

What happens to the thousands of ships of several different species stuck in Earth's orbit? Where will they go? What will they do?

The endings didn't provide any closure at all. They just said: "Ha, you actually spent all that time and effort getting here? Well, sorry, but we're going to take all that away from you, just to make way for some disgustingly cliche ending that was shamelessly ripped off from the Matrix and Deus Ex."

They didn't answer anything. They just gave more questions and pretty much killed the entire Mass Effect universe, since now they'll only be able to do lame prequels and the DLCs won't matter at all, unless they'll alter the endings or provide a new one, since the result will always be the same no matter what you do.

It's like driving for eight hours to see a concert of your favorite band, only to realize that the concert has been cancelled and you can't get your money back, your car breaks down on the way back and when you finally get home, you hear the news that the band you were going to watch on that concert has been dissolved.

Whatever flak Mac Walters and Casey Hudson gets for writing this godawful ending, they deserve all of it.

[BrotherFluffy]

SNascimento wrote...

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Now that it's all said, here is why Bioware CANNOT change the endings:
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Simply put, it will be a crime with those who actually liked it. Who actually feels their jurney with Commander Shepard came to a meaninful and fulfilling conclusion. They cannot just take it away from those people.

Which is precisely why so many of us are asking for it as DLC.  That way those of us who felt slighted by the ending or felt the ending wasn't appropriate to the themes of the ME universe can get the ending we want while leaving other players untouched. 

[Kloborgg711]

SkyCaptanio wrote...

If they released it as DLC then people who liked the original endings could just not download it.

[Rafe34]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Actually,

I'm pretty sure the relays exploding will vaporize most of the galaxy. Discounting that. And the lack of any real closure of the characters and events people actually cared about. There are still the massive plotholes the Catalyst existing creates.

You can dismantle a nuclear missle without setting it off.  It all depends on how you dismantle it.  Same thing applies to the relays.  Don't crash an asteroid in to the relay and do destroy it in a controlled manner and everything will be a-ok.

The explosion is visible on a galactic level. Pretty sure that's not controlled.

[Darth Malignus]

SNascimento wrote...

 First, I need to say why the endings are good.
.
Let's focus on the big picture and not be short sighted. Shepard gave the galaxy for the first time in millions of years a change to develop again in its own way, more than that, with the destruction of the mass relays, each species will evolve in a more unique way. And this for me is the beauty of the endings. Actually, if you take the green ending, life will develop in a way that not even the creator of the reapers could have fallowed.
.
Think about the Krogans, for example. They will be able to rebuild themselves with minimum interference from other species, a chance they never had. Same thing for the quarians and geth... depending ony your actions, they will try to live on peace together... and alone. The success of it will depend on the creators and the created, no one else. And so on.
.
And it's not like the galaxy will be isolated. From the codex we know ships in ME can travel something like 10 light years per day, that is very fast. Maybe not fast enough to the wide galaxy travels, but enough for most  people go back to their homeworld from Earth if they want (Wrex, for example) and enough for space travel and colonization to be viable.
.
In this part, I don't think the game lacked any closure of made our decisions meaninless. They do matter, but in a context different from the one in which they were made. A better one, if you will.
.
Not that everything was perfect, though. The dialogue with the Guardian was worse than I expected. It was something we were expecting since ME1, and it just didn't deliver. And of course, the Normandy flying away. That was just out of place, I wouldn't mind a bit of clarification there.
.
Now that it's all said, here is why Bioware CANNOT change the endings:
.
Simply put, it will be a crime with those who actually liked it. Who actually feels their jurney with Commander Shepard came to a meaninful and fulfilling conclusion. They cannot just take it away from those people.
.
Now, Bioware shouldn't change the endings at all, but if they want to tweak them a bit, the only thing I would ask is to not change them. Maybe improve the Normandy scene a bit, or offer a bit more option like what Shepard will do with the reapers once you control them. But in no way just erase the ones that are there and put new ones in the place.

No one said anything about removing the endings we already have. We just want more endings and preferably ones that make a shred of sense. We want more options than the ones presented. The game was based on the whole concept of choice - that we shaped our own destiny, not let anyone do it for us. And if someone tried, they would get a cap in their ass. We want the 99.9% of the game before meeting the Catalyst to matter. We want the chance to make Shepard stand up the Catalyst and let it play out from there. It can end in a brilliant victory or a horrible defeat, but it should be based on our choices, not on a depraved high-tech version of "What's behind door number 3". We were promised 17 different endings, and we got basically 3 endings that were pretty much exactly identical. Had those 3 endings made any sense and had they been properly tied to the context of the game, no one would have complained.

When it all comes down to it, we just want Shepard to act like he/she did throughout the whole trilogy and not necessarily take s**t from anyone, even Dennis the Ghostly Menace. We're never given the option to see Shepard act like anything other than a muttering puppet. That's not legend-material, no matter what the tiny epilogue urging us to buy future DLC claims. That's just Shepard suffering from Post Traumatic Laser Disorder making the mother of all bad calls.

If you're fine with the ones we already have, thet's just great. And if what we ultimately wanted was released as a DLC, then don't get it. You're free to do so.

Modifié par Darth Malignus, 18 mars 2012 - 05:58 .

[The Real Bowser]

Vito_Raliffe wrote...

It seems like people who enjoy the endings are the ones who understand them the least.

Quoted for truth.

[MizzNaaa]

VegaMendoza wrote...

What part DLC being optional do you not get?

This! So much this.

What is it with you people and DEMANDING..(see what I did thar?) that BioWare not add to the ending, I don't get it. 

OPTIONAL DLC

Optional

I'm gonna say it again...

OPTIONAL

Nobody said "erase the current endings" we specifically said, keep those as they are, and through DLC add more. So those who like the game as it is won't be affected. Those who don't, like the rest of us, can get what they want.

Modifié par MizzNaaa, 18 mars 2012 - 06:01 .

[Abispa]

Bioware has EVERY right to keep the endings the way they are. Bioware has EVERY right to create new endings. Bioware has EVERY right to charge extra for different endings DLCs. Bioware has EVERY right to make them free as part of some massive patch.

No matter what they decide to do, they will not commit a "crime" or "betray" anybody, just as they HAVE NOT committed a "crime" or "betrayed" anybody with the ME3 they gave us. They made a product. We purchased it. It is the consumer's right to enjoy it or not, and use the experience to determine whether or not s/he will purchase Bioware products in the future.

[Dragoonlordz]

legion999 wrote...

So if 99% hated something but 1% liked it it shouldn't be changed because of that 1%? What about the 99%?

Optional DLC leaves both those who enjoyed it and those who disliked it both will a happy ever after.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 mars 2012 - 06:05 .

[Chank-bw]

SNascimento wrote...
Now that it's all said, here is why Bioware CANNOT change the endings:
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Simply put, it will be a crime with those who actually liked it. Who actually feels their jurney with Commander Shepard came to a meaninful and fulfilling conclusion. They cannot just take it away from those people.

Let's change "endings" to "ending" since there pretty much is only one. And only 10% last time I checked liked the endings. I'd say you're argument is invalid!

Just to illustrate this: d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/230870_700b.jpg

[Kastrenzo]

Broken steel didn't break the story.

It made the game both more fun to play and it made people feel more accomplished over their choices.

Bioware isn't going to erase the current endings in a patch or anything, it's just plain bad business to go back on yourselfl ike that, they'd murder their already damaged reputation thanks to this

, but there is still room for additional options and outcomes.

Modifié par Kastrenzo, 18 mars 2012 - 06:02 .

[MattFini]

You like the ending, that's cool. I bet you'd download an ending DLC too, however.

[Deemz]

Bioware needs to change the ending because they are a company that relies on selling games to make money. If they do not fix the game, a large portion of the fan base they have worked so hard to build will stop buying any of their games.

Are there people who liked the ending? Sure. But are there a enough of people that liked the ending to ensure that Bioware will continue to see the sales they are used to? For executives to get the bonuses they are expecting? I doubt it and I think Bioware doubts it to.

BTW I do respect your opionion on the ending not being changed. I don't agree with you but that does not keep me from enoying the reading of other opinions.

Modifié par Deemz, 18 mars 2012 - 06:06 .

[eddieoctane]

"We let the relays explode smaller than last time" is inadequate as proof that life goes on after the game. If life doesn't go on, then all was for not. Since the state of things is left very ambiguous, you can't even be sure if it was Shepard breathing under the rubble. Unless a 4th game is planned (if it was as good as ME3, but with a better ending, I'll buy it), then substantial clarification of the ending is necessary.

And at more than 100,000ly across, even with a speed of of 10ly a day, it would still take some 30 years to traverse the galaxy. That's assuming you can just go in a straight line right across the galaxy, non-stop. In reality, you would need to regularly exit FTL to discharge your drive, refuel, and take navigational bearings. Anything with a lifespan averaging 100 years or less might not get to see home again. This would include the Salarian fleets to be sure. Odds are the Quarians won't make it back in one lifetime either, although at least they are prepared for such an event. We don;t know much about Turian life spans, but I'd wager it isn't substantially longer than humans.