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[PrinceLionheart]

legion999 wrote...

So if 99% hated something but 1% liked it it shouldn't be changed because of that 1%? What about the 99%?

Go protest a Wallstreet.

[Serp86]

What strikes me most about people defending the ending is they appearently never took the time to look around once  they come to the part where you have to run to the beam. This is the first thing i did and there was so much well ****ed up , buggy , badly designed that you will see in mere second . There is NO WAY to ever accept the current state of the ending once you start digging a bit deeper.

The current ending at the very least has to be patched to not make people that take their time feel like they play something that was not finished .....

Modifié par Serp86, 18 mars 2012 - 06:22 .

[sAxMoNkI]

SNascimento wrote...

 First, I need to say why the endings are good.
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Let's focus on the big picture and not be short sighted. Shepard gave the galaxy for the first time in millions of years a change to develop again in its own way, more than that, with the destruction of the mass relays, each species will evolve in a more unique way. And this for me is the beauty of the endings. Actually, if you take the green ending, life will develop in a way that not even the creator of the reapers could have fallowed.
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Think about the Krogans, for example. They will be able to rebuild themselves with minimum interference from other species, a chance they never had. Same thing for the quarians and geth... depending ony your actions, they will try to live on peace together... and alone. The success of it will depend on the creators and the created, no one else. And so on.
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And it's not like the galaxy will be isolated. From the codex we know ships in ME can travel something like 10 light years per day, that is very fast. Maybe not fast enough to the wide galaxy travels, but enough for most  people go back to their homeworld from Earth if they want (Wrex, for example) and enough for space travel and colonization to be viable.
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In this part, I don't think the game lacked any closure of made our decisions meaninless. They do matter, but in a context different from the one in which they were made. A better one, if you will.
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Not that everything was perfect, though. The dialogue with the Guardian was worse than I expected. It was something we were expecting since ME1, and it just didn't deliver. And of course, the Normandy flying away. That was just out of place, I wouldn't mind a bit of clarification there.
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Now that it's all said, here is why Bioware CANNOT change the endings:
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Simply put, it will be a crime with those who actually liked it. Who actually feels their jurney with Commander Shepard came to a meaninful and fulfilling conclusion. They cannot just take it away from those people.
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Now, Bioware shouldn't change the endings at all, but if they want to tweak them a bit, the only thing I would ask is to not change them. Maybe improve the Normandy scene a bit, or offer a bit more option like what Shepard will do with the reapers once you control them. But in no way just erase the ones that are there and put new ones in the place.

No one is saying remove these endings, people would just like more options. If the ending was perfect for you then great, but it also wouldnt impact your experience if there was  way to have the "happy" ending or for that matter and ending of complete and utter failure. Everyone just wants an ending that braodly fits their experience, im glad yours does but there is no reason that (with a little work) everyone can experience that feeling of closure and fulfillment.

[Costin_Razvan]

Optional DLC?

Arrival is optional but it's cannon in story sense, Lair of the Shadow Broker is optional yet it too is cannon. The reality is ANY ending DLC would make what happens in it cannon. That IS a fact.

[gmboy902]

Sooo because some people will be unhappy, we can't change the endings? Listen to what you said.

The majority of people won't care. The strongest minority of people want the ending changed. A very small amount of people want to keep the current ending.

[pavi132]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Actually,

I'm pretty sure the relays exploding will vaporize most of the galaxy. Discounting that. And the lack of any real closure of the characters and events people actually cared about. There are still the massive plotholes the Catalyst existing creates.

You can dismantle a nuclear missle without setting it off.  It all depends on how you dismantle it.  Same thing applies to the relays.  Don't crash an asteroid in to the relay and do destroy it in a controlled manner and everything will be a-ok.

The problem, yet again, is that they didn't really explain how the mass relays were rendered nonfunctional and why they would or wouldn't create a huge explosion, so really we don't know. It's just a matter of how you choose to interpret it.

As for the OP, I will definitely give you credit for at least not just bashing those of us who dislike the ending. It seems that too many people who like the ending just call everyone else whiners or "entitled". So for avoiding that and just sticking to how you felt about the ending and not the other fans, you have my respect. However, I disagree with your assertions about the ending.

[Dragoonlordz]

Serp86 wrote...

What strike me most about people defending the ending is they appearently never took the time to look around they to the part where you have to run to the beam. This is the first thing i did and there was so much well ****ed up , buggy , badly designed that you will see in mere second . There is NO WAY to ever accept the current state of the ending once you start digging a big deeper.

I saw very little reason to wait around outside the beam bleeding to death (perspective of my character aka RP rather than overlord all knowing gamer perspective).

[sadako]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Optional DLC?

Arrival is optional but it's cannon in story sense, Lair of the Shadow Broker is optional yet it too is cannon. The reality is ANY ending DLC would make what happens in it cannon. That IS a fact.

And thus people who are happy with the ending should be happy their ME3 experience is complete, and move on to another game.. except unless they are paid to support the ending so Bioware doesn't need to spend money fixing the ending.

*conspiracy!* :ph34r:

[Lilla Snorkan]

Of course they can change it, would propably take about 30 mins to sort out 5 new endings:

[Dragoonlordz]

sadako wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Optional DLC?

Arrival is optional but it's cannon in story sense, Lair of the Shadow Broker is optional yet it too is cannon. The reality is ANY ending DLC would make what happens in it cannon. That IS a fact.

And thus people who are happy with the ending should be happy their ME3 experience is complete, and move on to another game.. except unless they are paid to support the ending so Bioware doesn't need to spend money fixing the ending.

*conspiracy!* :ph34r:

What?

Lost me there if I enjoy something I am not likely to go play something else, I am far more likely to replay it again. I think you mean the opposite of what you said, those who are unhappy with it are far more likely to go play something else.

[sadako]

Lilla Snorkan wrote...

Of course they can change it, would propably take about 30 mins to sort out 5 new endings:

This

[Kloborgg711]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Optional DLC?

Arrival is optional but it's cannon in story sense, Lair of the Shadow Broker is optional yet it too is cannon. The reality is ANY ending DLC would make what happens in it cannon. That IS a fact.

There is no canon in Mass Effect aside from what we ourselves make of it.

[Serp86]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Serp86 wrote...

What strike me most about people defending the ending is they appearently never took the time to look around they to the part where you have to run to the beam. This is the first thing i did and there was so much well ****ed up , buggy , badly designed that you will see in mere second . There is NO WAY to ever accept the current state of the ending once you start digging a big deeper.

I saw very little reason to wait around outside the beam bleeding to death (perspective of my character aka RP rather than overlord all knowing gamer perspective).

I allways look i every corner of everything and try to fetch everything the designers could possibly put into agame. If i do that in ME3's last mission i get the feeling they did NOT completely finished the mission and released the game before it was done. That should NOT happen .

Hell after i read about what was cut from the game from the final hours and the content that was found on the discs i now KNOW i was right . They can't even deny it anymore the final mission and the ending weren't done when they released the game but they tried to hide it. Too bad they failed .

Now they have to fix this mess . I'm not stupid i see an unfinished product when i get handed one and i don't accept it. Simple as that.

Modifié par Serp86, 18 mars 2012 - 06:21 .

[Deflagratio]

Simply put, they can change the ending if they want to. Retconns happen all the time.

But they don't really need to "Change" The ending, more so, just add to it. Add closure specifically. An ending that provides no closure is not an ending at all.

It'd be like if you went and saw "The Grey" (Liam Neeson), and left before the credits were finished rolling.

Modifié par Deflagratio, 18 mars 2012 - 06:15 .

[Spectre_Shepard]

you can keep your endings. they should be an OPTION.

we just want MORE OPTIONS

[sadako]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

What?

Lost me there if I enjoy something I am not likely to go play something else, I am far more likely to replay it again. I think you mean the opposite of what you said, those who are unhappy with it are far more likely to go play something else.

Well, I like a lot of games, I don't go around saying I LIKE THIS GAME, YOU MUST LIKE IT TOO!!!
Currently, what the gamers are fighting for is NOT to invalidate your ending, but to make their endings meaningful.

And if you think that bioware didn't mean too in the first place, then check out the promises they made about the game in my signature.

[recentio]

I think this is a good argument for why BW can't do the Indoctrination Theory. That would be disrespectful to people who like the current ending, and their happiness should not be taken away from them.

That said, why not expand (not remove!) the ending to allow for at least one alternative path to an outcome that the players who aren't happy can feel satisfied with instead of confused, angry, and cheated? Why not provide options that appeal to both kinds of player? Almost everything else in ME does.

Modifié par recentio, 18 mars 2012 - 06:15 .

[Meltemph]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Serp86 wrote...

What strike me most about people defending the ending is they appearently never took the time to look around they to the part where you have to run to the beam. This is the first thing i did and there was so much well ****ed up , buggy , badly designed that you will see in mere second . There is NO WAY to ever accept the current state of the ending once you start digging a big deeper.

I saw very little reason to wait around outside the beam bleeding to death (perspective of my character aka RP rather than overlord all knowing gamer perspective).

That is like saying you dont ever take a time out from reading a good book, to think about what the author was talking about.  Like when a book starts talking about a philosophy, it is not uncommon if you respect the writer at all to think about the topic they bring up or to try and take a step back and imagine the situation(taking a step back and looking at the surrounding's you are in, in a video game).

But I'm sure you knew that...

Modifié par Meltemph, 18 mars 2012 - 06:17 .

[Venturisection]

The ending cannot be saved in its current state it has zero continuity with the other games and this should be addressed. I'm also of the opinion that if you want to play it as it was released should it be patched/DLC changed then it should be an option should you choose to download it. If you don't want it thats fine too. Just don't expect the rest of us to say ok because 2% of people don't want it then we should listen to them. If you disagree with the BW poll you can use this one: http://www.facebook....MassEffect3Poll

[Mundas]

OP it's great that you got the ending you wanted/could stomach, but what about the rest of us who have been left deflated and crushed. It total flies in the face of what Mass Effect was always about player choice. We are dictated to and given the illusion of a choice that completely undose every decision we have made up until that point. Ultimately we change nothing and recieve the same ambiguous cutscene as everyone else.

As for being beautiful; thousands of starships stranded in the sol system, millions of worlds vaporised by relay detonations. Call me emotionless, but we just sent the galaxy back to the dark ages, i fail to see the beauty or the victory.

At least being harvested by the Reapers would have ascended us to a higher state of being.

[sangy]

@ OP

[TheSteelArcher]

Bioware's not obligated to do anything, but if they value their business then they'll comply with their customers and fans who have stood with them and the Mass Effect series for five years. Downloading DLC is optional, those who liked the endings aren't required to download it. From ME1 the series pitched the idea that this was your story, with your individual character. It'd add to the variation, for those who liked the endings, there story ends when you talk to the Catalyst and make a decision. Those of us who were discontented by the ending have the option to continue our story through DLC.

[sadako]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Optional DLC?

Arrival is optional but it's cannon in story sense, Lair of the Shadow Broker is optional yet it too is cannon. The reality is ANY ending DLC would make what happens in it cannon. That IS a fact.

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player
decide what your story is.”

[SweetJeeba]

When I saw this thread I thought it was going to explain technical or commercial reasons for not changing. Kudos to you for sucking me into your thread with an opinion that could have been posted in many other threads

[eddieoctane]

Lilla Snorkan wrote...

Of course they can change it, would propably take about 30 mins to sort out 5 new endings:

That is just.....sublime. Thank you.