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[intersect]

I liked the endings. While of course I would like more closure, I don't think anything should be changed, just elaborated on. Also, I crack up whenever anyone claims to be a part of the "majority" whether demanding a better ending or demanding nothing be changed. Unless there was some worldwide gamer census, everyone is just making that statistic up, just because a particular faction is more vocal online doesn't make it majority opinion. If that were true... have you EVER looked in the comments section of ANY news site? We'd be doomed.

[SandTrout]

Kastrenzo wrote...

Wishful thinking buddy
Welcome to consumerism

I'll disagree here. If BioWare wants me to consume their From Ashes DLC, Omega DLC, or any other DLC that they want to distribute, then  they had better give me the ending I paid $60 for without additional charge. That's the funny thing. They'll get more money out of people if they provide ending DLC for free.

[sadako]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Funker Shepard wrote...

SkyCaptanio wrote...

If they released it as DLC then people who liked the original endings could just not download it.

Word. Mass Effect is about choice. Happy with the ending? Choose to believe what you believe. Not happy? Get the DLC that gives it the epic ending it deserves, instead of the abortion of tragic ending it got.

If you honestly expect people to not get pissed if Biwoare does that then you are delusional. DLC that changes the endings would be a slap to the face to many people.

The big question is how many people it ****** off and how many it would make happy. Because if you are just trading some haters for anothe group then you've wasted your time.

Read the development of ME3 and how it was envisioned, then come back and say that what they told was their vision was the same ending you got.

But I fail to see how you would hate the other endings if you can love the current endings. It's like I'm giving you cleaner water to drink rather than the dirty one you currently have, and you go:

"NO! I  like my dirty drink, cleaner water is unacceptable!" I haven't tasted cleaner water, but I'm sure my dirty water is the best.

Not to say that your dirty drink isn't the best, but you haven't seen some of the better endings that were written.

Heck, if you played ME2, I'm amazed you accept the ME3 ending as good effort by Bioware. A few pages back, there was already posted in game mechanics that compared ME2 and ME3, and ME3 just didn't have that magic that was ME2's ending.

Modifié par sadako, 18 mars 2012 - 07:07 .

[Meltemph]

I don't think anything should be changed

So you thought the written philosophy of the ending and the logic from the reapers and that being how they decided to wrap up the series...Was good?

[Costin_Razvan]

Meltemph wrote...

nomoredruggs wrote...

SkyCaptanio wrote...

If they released it as DLC then people who liked the original endings could just not download it.

This. Everyone wins.

The people who liked the endings are afraid they will like the new ones more, which makes the endings they originally liked...less good.  I guess?

This is a major issue as well. I like the endings but I would likely buy the DLC and probably like it as well, the issue as you put it would invalidate the original endings.

On the other hands if the endings had stuff added to them, or some stuff changed like the Normandy scene that would be perfectly fine, But ignoring the original endings is not a good idea.

What I would despise though is happy bunny ending, **** that BS.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 18 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[SpideyKnight]

 The problem is that you guys like the endings because you don't understand them.  You are ignorant to the ramifications of your actions.  This isn't calling you dumb, heck I envy you and encourage you to not look any further into the lore and backstory of the universe.  For some of us though it's too late, we know what happens, and it can't be unseen or ignored. If you like the endings I can only assume that your ignorance to the subject matter is what allows that.  As anyone who understands the ramifications that happen(regardless of the ending you choose) after the relays are gone couldn't possibly like how this game ends unless mass chaos and genocide is your cup of tea.

I wouldn't read further if I were you, but I'm only going to touch on one aspect that is the same regardless of the ending you choose.  The mass relays explode.  Read the codex, what does it say happens when a relay explodes?  It wipes out any habitable planet in the solar system.  So every solar system that has a mass relay is toast.  That's right fellas, Unavoidable Galactic Genocide that you commit regardless of the path you choose.  Do you understand that?  Does it even register to you?  Even the Reapers pick and choose what they destroy, non advanced civilizations are spared.  The ending does not spare them, regardless of their advancement if there's a mass relay in your solar system you are bacon bits now.  Congratulations.

Even if you wave this off with some space magic, or mystical ponies and rainbows, or whatever Jessica Merizan and the fine folks at Bioware want you to believe you still doom an entire galactic fleet.  Say the mass relay doesn't explode, say you haven't commited Galactic Genocide, even then you have stranded an epic fleet filled with thousands of ships and millions or billions of different species in the Sol cluster.  Effectively dooming the lot of them to starvation since Earth's remaining resources couldn't support an ant colony right now.  

This is what happens when you tell a non ending, when you don't resolve the situation at hand.  When poor storytelling takes over and your "artistic" vision is shown for the trite and nonsensical bs that it really is.  Wild speculation is for the foolish and foolhardy.  The logical amongst us can only look to the facts we have available to tell us what the outcome of the battle is and understand this:  No matter what you do or pick, you have screwed the galaxy far more than you can imagine.  

Again I envy you lot who don't understand the lore, who don't understand what you have done.  Much like Gabe from PA you are oblivious and ignorant, and in this case, ignorance is indeed bliss.

Modifié par SpideyKnight, 18 mars 2012 - 07:09 .

[Chronor]

@OP

Not to belabor the point too much, but what have you really added to the controversy? Most of the dissenters actually acknowledge that there are people who enjoy the current ending. That does not, in and of itself, preclude the desire for a different one.

The basis for this want stem from BW/EA's own propaganda and the premise of the previous games ME1 & ME2. All promised diverse endings based upon the choices we made along the way. Can you honestly say that A, B, C or R, B, G are choices that justify the journey most have made?

I'm happy that you like the current ending (SINGULAR) as it stands. Most of us who dissent want the diversity of endings as promised and a SUBSTANTIAL closure for our emotional and time investment with our squadmates and love interest. Is this too much to ask? I think not.

[Meltemph]

Nobody is asking that they change the existing endings.

I am... I don't want the rest of the industry OR movie or TV to think that this is the best that video game stories can do when it comes to endings and trilogies. I know that wont happen, but it really is more revealing, to the rest of the literary and entertainment world, then I would like.

Modifié par Meltemph, 18 mars 2012 - 07:14 .

[Costin_Razvan]

The problem is that you guys like the endings because you don't understand them. You are ignorant to the ramifications of your actions.

You are implying everyone who likes the endings is somehow an idiot or an ignorant fool Fancy that.

I've played ME1 over 4 times. ME2 over 15 times and currently replaying ME3 a second time. My point is a give damn for this franchise in terms lore and cha5racters: I've read every single codex entry multiple times and most of the planet entries. Yes there are issues, but I do not believe the Relays would wipe everyone out.

Smashing an asteroid into a relay is sure as hell not the same as using a Superweapon on them.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 18 mars 2012 - 07:12 .

[intersect]

SpideyKnight wrote...

 The problem is that you guys like the endings because you don't understand them.  You are ignorant to the ramifications of your actions.  This isn't calling you dumb, heck I envy you and encourage you to not look any further into the lore and backstory of the universe.  For some of us though it's too late, we know what happens, and it can't be unseen or ignored. If you like the endings I can only assume that your ignorance to the subject matter is what allows that.  As anyone who understands the ramifications that happen(regardless of the ending you choose) after the relays are gone couldn't possibly like how this game ends unless mass chaos and genocide is your cup of tea.

I wouldn't read further if I were you, but I'm only going to touch on one aspect that is the same regardless of the ending you choose.  The mass relays explode.  Read the codex, what does it say happens when a relay explodes?  It wipes out any habitable planet in the solar system.  So every solar system that has a mass relay is toast.  That's right fellas, Unavoidable Galactic Genocide that you commit regardless of the path you choose.  Do you understand that?  Does it even register to you?  Even the Reapers pick and choose what they destroy, non advanced civilizations are spared.  The ending does not spare them, regardless of their advancement if there's a mass relay in your solar system you are bacon bits now.  Congratulations.

Even if you wave this off with some space magic, or mystical ponies and rainbows, or whatever Jessica Merizan and the fine folks at Bioware want you to believe you still doom an entire galactic fleet.  Say the mass relay doesn't explode, say you haven't commited Galactic Genocide, even then you have stranded an epic fleet filled with thousands of ships and millions or billions of different species in the Sol cluster.  Effectively dooming the lot of them to starvation since Earth's remaining resources couldn't support an ant colony right now.  

This is what happens when you tell a non ending, when you don't resolve the situation at hand.  When poor storytelling takes over and your "artistic" vision is shown for the trite and nonsensical bs that it really is.  Wild speculation is for the foolish and foolhardy.  The logical amongst us can only look to the facts we have available to tell us what the outcome of the battle is and understand this.  No matter what you do or pick, you have screwed the galaxy far more than you can imagine.  

Again I envy you lot who don't understand the lore, who don't understand what you have done.  Much like Gabe from PA you are oblivious and ignorant, and in this case, ignorance is indeed bliss.

Just because the relays come apart doesn't mean they exploded like the Batarian relay.  Also all ships have FTL drives, not as fast as teh relays, but system to system travel is still possible.  Also, if the "starchild" is truly the creator of the reapers, why the hell would you take anything he says at face value.  You are two steps away from killing him and the reapers, of course he'll say anything to try to convince you to spare him.

[Mcfly616]

So if they planned it all along and there is nothing to change because he's dreaming or indoctrinated, so the ending is already produced for dlc....that wouldn't be changing anything.....that would be going with what they planned all along.....if in fact, that's what they planned all along....

If its NOT what they intended, then I'm sure they won't change anything just to please fans....

Oh and you're lying to yourself and forgetting what Mass Effect was, if you really think that ending is even halfway decent, cohesive, or thought out....there was no conclusion if that's the real end.

[ArcanistLibram]

There's no need for Bioware to remove the current endings. They just need to add an ending that's not an incoherent wreck that spits on everything Shepard's accomplished during the entire Mass Effect series.

[Meltemph]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

nomoredruggs wrote...

SkyCaptanio wrote...

If they released it as DLC then people who liked the original endings could just not download it.

This. Everyone wins.

The people who liked the endings are afraid they will like the new ones more, which makes the endings they originally liked...less good.  I guess?

This is a major issue as well. I like the endings but I would likely buy the DLC and probably like it as well, the issue as you put it would invalidate the original endings.

On the other hands if the endings had stuff added to them, or some stuff changed like the Normandy scene that would be perfectly fine, But ignoring the original endings is not a good idea.

What I would despise though is happy bunny ending, **** that BS.

0_o I was honestly not expecting someone to admit that even though they liked the ending, they realize it wasnt that good.



I'm obviously messing with you a bit, but, imo, there really isnt a strong arguement that can be made to say the ending was well done.

[Costin_Razvan]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

There's no need for Bioware to remove the current endings. They just need to add an ending that's not an incoherent wreck that spits on everything Shepard's accomplished during the entire Mass Effect series.

There is one already. It's called Control.

[Meltemph]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

ArcanistLibram wrote...

There's no need for Bioware to remove the current endings. They just need to add an ending that's not an incoherent wreck that spits on everything Shepard's accomplished during the entire Mass Effect series.

There is one already. It's called Control.

Umm...What?  

[The Night Mammoth]

Just because the relays come apart doesn't mean they exploded like the Batarian relay.

Either is perfectly plausible. I'm more inclined to think they went supernova, since there's already an established precedent for it.

Also all ships have FTL drives, not as fast as teh relays, but system to system travel is still possible.

Sure. It'll take years though. Galactic civilization has been effectively destroyed.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 18 mars 2012 - 07:17 .

[GimmeDaGun]

I think that Bioware made an amazing job, but screwed up the ending(s) baaaad. As for the OP, yes, the guy is right Bioware can't change the ending of the game, because the damage has been already done and you know what's done is done. But they still can create a DLC that will overwrite the files which contain the ending and give us a slightly better, a lot more varied and satisfying ending which would fix the damage they made and the controversy and general outcry the endings caused. They should do this as prestigeous game developer co., as human beings who do care about their work and from a business point of view, for they will not only lose people, earn bad reputation, but they will fall from countless Abrahams...

To those who loved the ending as they are (you are entitled to it), you can ignore the alternative ending dlc and enjoy your experience of the game. Everyone's happy. The problem is that now except you, no one is really happy: we - a vast number of fans (most probably the majority) - definitely are and the people at Bioware should be (according to Jarrett Lee, they are)... let alone EA (who sees everything in green, just like looking at the Matrix via monitor).

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 18 mars 2012 - 07:19 .

[ediskrad327]

of course they can't, just as i can't reach my pocket to give them my money anymore

Modifié par ediskrad327, 18 mars 2012 - 07:27 .

[Mcfly616]

You wanna make a game with an open ending? Thats what the first and second games are for.....the 3rd game is.supposed to conclude a story and bring closure

And them they show Shepard alive? Yet this is supposed to be his last game....wow. no I'm sorry they failed at creating an ending...a game.with branching paths based on decisions you make through the course of a game, are supposed to have varying ending based on those choices....not give.you.the same.3 endings no matter what....EPIC FAIL

[NReed106]

Ah yes Arahot is definately better with the alpha relay destroyed....

Oh wait, it killed 300k people

And to those who say they weren't dangerous exploding:
why did the explosion tear the Normandy's engines apart unless it was a *destructive* explosion?

Modifié par NReed106, 18 mars 2012 - 07:35 .

[Unender]

People who are okay with the endings as is are obviously not invested in the franchise or haven't played the other 2 games. if you were fully invested you would feel hurt, betrayed and insulted at the complete invalidation of everything you've done up until the end of ME3. for me it's not just the games, it's all the hours producing fan works reading novels bid camping rare memorabilia etc etc. the endings as they currently are, invalidate and sour the entire franchise. not only that but it's riddled with plot holes that make 0 sense. like. in ME1 the Citadel was a giant mass relay, but now it's a sentient thing that controls the reapers...riiight. if it's sentient then why didn't it fix the code the protheans changed so that the keepers wouldn't set up the relay so the reapers could return?
that's just one of the small plot holes. repeated useless dialogue, how the citadel moved without anyone hearing about it, why the catalyst is ion the form of the child shepard is obsessed with...none of it makes any sense. if you like the ending, then you aren't a fan, you're an enabler of laziness.

[Apocsapel91]

SkyCaptanio wrote...

If they released it as DLC then people who liked the original endings could just not download it.

Precisely.

[dubdevo]

Unender wrote...

People who are okay with the endings as is are obviously not invested in the franchise or haven't played the other 2 games. if you were fully invested you would feel hurt, betrayed and insulted at the complete invalidation of everything you've done up until the end of ME3. for me it's not just the games, it's all the hours producing fan works reading novels bid camping rare memorabilia etc etc. the endings as they currently are, invalidate and sour the entire franchise. not only that but it's riddled with plot holes that make 0 sense. like. in ME1 the Citadel was a giant mass relay, but now it's a sentient thing that controls the reapers...riiight. if it's sentient then why didn't it fix the code the protheans changed so that the keepers wouldn't set up the relay so the reapers could return?
that's just one of the small plot holes. repeated useless dialogue, how the citadel moved without anyone hearing about it, why the catalyst is ion the form of the child shepard is obsessed with...none of it makes any sense. if you like the ending, then you aren't a fan, you're an enabler of laziness.

  Ditto! 

[Nefelius]

If you do like the present endings - then just do not download new endings dlc if it will be released.

[ticklefist]

 Agree with the topic, not the post.

Edit: Except the bold parts. I agree with those. That wouldn't be right. However, there is no reason alternate options cannot be added to what currently exists. No reason ideas can't be expanded upon to explain the serious "WTF what about...." scenarios created by these endings.

And no folks, "Shepard needed to die" is not a reasonable argument. My Shepard didn't die.

Modifié par ticklefist, 18 mars 2012 - 07:50 .