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[Stalker]

They should definitely consider that.
Their ratings would go back up to what the game deserves and they would finally be remembered for the game they made, not just the terrible ending of it.

[Ghost Warrior]

Overule wrote...

 Hold the line.

End of line.

[Farbautisonn]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

darkshadow136 wrote...
Then I would say goodbye Bioware you will no longer have any of my business.

And you'd probably be making a mistake. Because a talented developer like BioWare is almost certain to come up with some great games in the future.

"Probably": Going on empirical evidence, DA2, Deception (TOR for some) and now ME3, that probability seems to be somewhat diminishing. If you didnt like the last three games or works of storytelling... why should you like the next? 

[Getorex]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

darkshadow136 wrote...
Then I would say goodbye Bioware you will no longer have any of my business.

And you'd probably be making a mistake. Because a talented developer like BioWare is almost certain to come up with some great games in the future.

Naw.  Other companies make just as good games but do so without the fraud (false advertising, stating one thing, giving another).  You clearly cannot trust Bioware to deliver what they point-blank state they will deliver.  Quote after unambiguous quote here in these very forums and other venues has Hudson and other bioware staff advertising and promising something that is at odd with what was delivered.

It is MY money and I require that what I receive for that money be PRECISELY what was advertised and thus what I thought I was buying.  Violate that even once and you demostrate you can NEVER be trusted again...without a full replacement of key staff who were responsible for the fraud.

[bleachorange]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

darkshadow136 wrote...
Then I would say goodbye Bioware you will no longer have any of my business.

And you'd probably be making a mistake. Because a talented developer like BioWare is almost certain to come up with some great games in the future...

...only to screw them up too.

:wizard:Spaaaaace MAGIC!!!

[Getorex]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

darkshadow136 wrote...
Then I would say goodbye Bioware you will no longer have any of my business.

And you'd probably be making a mistake. Because a talented developer like BioWare is almost certain to come up with some great games in the future.

"Probably": Going on empirical evidence, DA2, Deception (TOR for some) and now ME3, that probability seems to be somewhat diminishing. If you didnt like the last three games or works of storytelling... why should you like the next? 

This.  My understanding is that many GOOD staff bailed out after ME1 as EA came along and sucked up Bioware.  It shows.

It shows.

Oh, and may Marauder Shields protect you! (from a horrible HORRIBLE end).  Amen.

Modifié par Getorex, 18 mars 2012 - 06:01 .

[P47 ace]

I am not saying go mute, just be more civiliezed. these relatively smart people they listen to reason, logic, and anything that effects their stock prices and pocket books.

they see the outrage and are probably working on it,

Hold the line yes but like a salarinian, not a vorcha

[Getorex]

P47 ace wrote...

I am not saying go mute, just be more civiliezed. these relatively smart people they listen to reason, logic, and anything that effects their stock prices and pocket books.

they see the outrage and are probably working on it,

Hold the line yes but like a salarinian, not a vorcha

I kinda like the Vorcha way.  Scorched earth can work wonders.  Sure, you have a mess to clean up afterward but your victory will have been absolute.

May Marauder Shields protect you! (from a horrible HORRIBLE end).

[bleachorange]

Getorex wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

darkshadow136 wrote...
Then I would say goodbye Bioware you will no longer have any of my business.

And you'd probably be making a mistake. Because a talented developer like BioWare is almost certain to come up with some great games in the future.

"Probably": Going on empirical evidence, DA2, Deception (TOR for some) and now ME3, that probability seems to be somewhat diminishing. If you didnt like the last three games or works of storytelling... why should you like the next? 

This.  My understanding is that many GOOD staff bailed out after ME1 as EA came along and sucked up Bioware.  It shows.

It shows.

Oh, and may Marauder Shields protect you! (from a horrible HORRIBLE end).  Amen.

...And then the doubters left after ME2, when they found out EA really is terrible to an IPs vision and success.

[darkshadow136]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

darkshadow136 wrote...
Then I would say goodbye Bioware you will no longer have any of my business.

And you'd probably be making a mistake. Because a talented developer like BioWare is almost certain to come up with some great games in the future.

Although I respect your opinion, I don't agree. Bioware's used to be one of the best. But with the poor quality of DA2, and the poor ending of ME3, their quality is spotty at best in recent years. I loved DAO, ME1/ME2. After that though I was not impressed, and the way Bioware plays their PR campaign to quiet critics like they did with DA2, and are trying now with ME3, I have no faith in them till I see real commitment from them.

I've seen great companies that were leaders in their respected fields rise and fall though the 70's- till now, and the few things they have in common is, they either got bought out and their quality dropped, they got to the top and lowered quality standards and road on their brand name till it was to late, or they just got arrogant and fell on their face.

[starscreamerx31]

Overule wrote...

Don't ever stop reminding them of this guys. Hold the line.

i agree whole heartily we have to hold their feet to the fire because if they can do this to with dragon age 2 and to mass effect 3 their biggest ip whats to stop them from lying to us again and again. I cant comprehend how some people can defend that. Its the equivalent of a man beating a woman and the woman stating he only does it because he loves me! Makes no sence at all. Ill be the first to day i love bioware and i want them to take my money but like an abused relationship im willing to say ive had enough and will dadly walk away. I dont want to but ill stop buying all their products including dlc. This comes from a guy who would buy the pc version and ps3 version of the same game.  

[Ghost Warrior]

Farbautisonn wrote...

"Probably": Going on empirical evidence, DA2, Deception (TOR for some) and now ME3, that probability seems to be somewhat diminishing. If you didnt like the last three games or works of storytelling... why should you like the next?

So the entire Mass Effect 3 sucked for you? Not just the endings?

Modifié par Ghost Warrior, 18 mars 2012 - 06:08 .

[spirosz]

darkshadow136 wrote...

Bioware's used to be one of the best. But with the poor quality of DA2, and the poor ending of ME3, their quality is spotty at best in recent years. I loved DAO, ME1/ME2. After that though I was not impressed, and the way Bioware plays their PR campaign to quiet critics like they did with DA2, and are trying now with ME3, I have no faith in them till I see real commitment from them.

I respect that and I agree, their PR has been the worst in recent years.  They're making money anyways, sad to say, losing a few fans probably won't hurt them in the long run as they seem to be getting more and more newcomers (which isn't a bad thing), but we matter too.  

[Darth Death]

I dunno. I've a strange feeling they're not going to do it. And if they do, you can guarantee there will be a price tag on it. Personally, I don't see the point in trying to fix it... Or maybe I don't see how they can fix it. They might just worsen the situation by attempting to fix it for all we know.

[darkshadow136]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

"Probably": Going on empirical evidence, DA2, Deception (TOR for some) and now ME3, that probability seems to be somewhat diminishing. If you didnt like the last three games or works of storytelling... why should you like the next?

So the entire Mass Effect 3 sucked for you? Not just the endings?

The endings ruined the entire series of Mass Effect, not just ME3, if you liked it good for you. Many don't feel the way you do.

[Xilizhra]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

darkshadow136 wrote...
Then I would say goodbye Bioware you will no longer have any of my business.

And you'd probably be making a mistake. Because a talented developer like BioWare is almost certain to come up with some great games in the future.

Not so long as failing to use any potential talent is rewarded, as it would be here.

[darkshadow136]

spiros9110 wrote...

darkshadow136 wrote...

Bioware's used to be one of the best. But with the poor quality of DA2, and the poor ending of ME3, their quality is spotty at best in recent years. I loved DAO, ME1/ME2. After that though I was not impressed, and the way Bioware plays their PR campaign to quiet critics like they did with DA2, and are trying now with ME3, I have no faith in them till I see real commitment from them.

I respect that and I agree, their PR has been the worst in recent years.  They're making money anyways, sad to say, losing a few fans probably won't hurt them in the long run as they seem to be getting more and more newcomers (which isn't a bad thing), but we matter too.  

Yeah but word of mouth of their customer service, and quality will hurt them + adding those who don't frequent forums to share their negative opinion on the endings who may not buy from Bioware again. I do believe that if they don't take this serious it may not hurt them in the short term, but in the long term they will wish they could turn back time.

[Ghost Warrior]

darkshadow136 wrote...

The endings ruined the entire series of Mass Effect, not just ME3, if you liked it good for you. Many don't feel the way you do.

No,in fact I didn't like any of the endings at all. But a sane person doesn't let 1% ruin other 99%.

[bleachorange]

Let's get this straight - EA is a great publisher for marketing purposes. I mean, all the videos and unlockables and related merchandise really amped up the hype for ME3 (as they do for EA's other titles).
What they suck at is giving the developer enough time between release of a product and it's sequel to craft a product that is truly excellent. Look at Madden, at BF3, at ME3, at DA2. Each of these games had an accelerated development cycle. I guarantee you if Bioware was really scrambling for the endings of ME3 as depicted in ME3: Final Hours publication, they probably would have taken the time to come up with a good solution if not for EA.
If they weren't scrambling for time to finish it, it's either one gigantic troll by Bioware, or their judgement really sucked on this one.

[Overule]

Can I ask the Retake detractors a serious question? Do you expect Bioware will give you a cookie for your efforts at the end of the ordeal? Perhaps the head of IGN telling you to your face that you're smarter than everyone else for having lower standards? What is it specifically that would make you happy?

[Farbautisonn]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
So the entire Mass Effect 3 sucked for you? Not just the endings?

-No. There were a few bugless moments that I very... VERY much enjoyed. But then the lack of interaction and the missing logic yanked me right back out. I found ME3 to OK untill the ending. Not great... but ok. 

However the endings retroactively destroyed the franchise for me because I cannot for the life of me see the point in loading up any of the other 12 toons I have on my harddrive. I just dont see the point if I only have the absolute most lazy ending possible availble.

[wolfstanus]

They won't shut it they can barly follow forum rules.

[Farbautisonn]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
No,in fact I didn't like any of the endings at all. But a sane person doesn't let 1% ruin other 99%.

-Tell me again why I should take you seriously?

[Farbautisonn]

Overule wrote...

Can I ask the Retake detractors a serious question? Do you expect Bioware will give you a cookie for your efforts at the end of the ordeal? Perhaps the head of IGN telling you to your face that you're smarter than everyone else for having lower standards? What is it specifically that would make you happy?

-Pie. Lots of pie.

When you ask a "serious question" when at the same time applying impliciet ad hominems you really do not deserve a "serious answer".

[Redstar6]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

"Probably": Going on empirical evidence, DA2, Deception (TOR for some) and now ME3, that probability seems to be somewhat diminishing. If you didnt like the last three games or works of storytelling... why should you like the next?

So the entire Mass Effect 3 sucked for you? Not just the endings?

It amounts to leaving a taste in your mouth. Say for instance you just ate some icecream and it was best you ever tasted, but the last lick tasted like the worst you ever had in your life. Most people will remember that last like more than the former because its the last thing they have to remember about it.