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[Farbautisonn]

zambingo wrote...

BioWare can't tells us what they are working on. It's a no win scenario with fans. Reason being any number of factors could halt production on anything they are working on and if they told us they were working on something then the lack of production on it would be perceived as a broken promise.

-Then they should have shut up entirely in the first place and not let their mouths run in live interviews then. We are not expecting anything more than what was promised.

[Ghost Warrior]

starscreamerx31 wrote...

@ ghost warrior bro it sound like you have a neurological impairment. Please leave or stop responding if u have mothing smart to say. We fans are trying to make a stand/ or point. It sounds like you dont mind the endings and i commend you for it as i wish i could be a drone and not care about lies given to us by our favorite devs from this epic franchise. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course. Seriously though.

So basically what you're saying is that everybody is entitled to their opinion but I should just shut up and leave. Seems legit.

[darkshadow136]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...
What good is it when it's forced by raging fans and not originally put in the game?Should I just forget these endings ever happened? Should I just keep making them give us alternate DLCs until the game is exactly how I imagined it?

-You just cant stop typcasting the people you do not agree with can you? Is your world really that black and white? 

I look at things black & white, and I can't even see how he can clump everyone that protests the ending into a category like he does. But then again it does not look like he registered any of his games, so I guess he can be passive about the endings. As far as we know he returned his game, unless he got it on PC like myself.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

If product is not as advertised, customers have free reign to voice complaints as hard as they wish... as long as it's not illegal.

Let the bashing continue.

[bleachorange]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Raging fans, raging defenders... the ending is still bad.

And by "bad," I mean full of plot holes and at a quality totally inconsistent with the rest of the game's mission/narrative structure (conflict/resolution/epilogue).

Here is a list of such

And conflict/resolution is the most basic format of every story out there. Without conflict, there is no story, without resolution the story isn't over yet. Epilogue isn't exactly necessary, but it's become common practice in modern storytelling, because it helps satisfy to the reader/listener/viewer/player's curiosity. It's not like Bioware invented this, it's the most basic standard of storytelling there is.

:wizard:Spaaaace MAGIC!!!

Modifié par bleachorange, 18 mars 2012 - 07:06 .

[Farbautisonn]

xsdob wrote...
And you guys typeicasting people who didn't mind the ending as being metally imparied is better? You need to stop the hypocricy of what your saying and stop instigating fights.

-Oh. Ok. So now you lump me in with a certain group and then extrapolate the qualities from said group you want to enlighten and then attribute them to me personally? 

How about this? You go digging through this forum and find a quote where I personally stated anything of the sort? Ok? Im not holding Ghost warrior to anything but his own words... and strictly speaking since he started making judgement calls on other peoples sanity, how should he not expect a counter? 

But do me a favor and quote me back, hmm? Please? Pretty please? 

[Ghost Warrior]

xsdob wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...
What good is it when it's forced by raging fans and not originally put in the game?Should I just forget these endings ever happened? Should I just keep making them give us alternate DLCs until the game is exactly how I imagined it?

-You just cant stop typcasting the people you do not agree with can you? Is your world really that black and white? 

And you guys typeicasting people who didn't mind the ending as being metally imparied is better? You need to stop the hypocricy of what your saying and stop instigating fights.

This.

Plus,how else would you define last 10 pages being full of this,every second thread being about the endings,people threatning to leave BioWare forever?

[Karait]

Geez I just want them to step up and tell us anything meaningful instead of this PR doubletalk bs. Each passing our only serves to increase my resentment towards BioWare.

[thunderhawk862002]

Well if they had done that right away I wouldn't have sent off an FTC/BBB complaint. I work in the veterinary profession and the #1 reason malpractice lawsuits are filed is because the client did not feel they were being heard and that their complaints were brushed off. Even if the veterinarian did something wrong, clients usually won't file as long as they feel like they matter. Everyone knows mistakes can be made, but customers need to know that they are respected throughout the process.

Note: I did not file a complaint about the quality of the endings, just the quantity and variety advertised.

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 18 mars 2012 - 07:03 .

[Favourite store on the CitadeI]

darkshadow136 wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

What if they said "We're not working on it, won't plan to either".

Then I would say goodbye Bioware you will no longer have any of my business.

+1

[Beans253]

Since EA is their publisher they have control over when content gets announced and released, so just hang on guys.

[Farbautisonn]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
This.

Plus,how else would you define last 10 pages being full of this,every second thread being about the endings,people threatning to leave BioWare forever?

-View my response.

Why shouldnt they threaten to leave? its not like they are thretening to kill a kitten if they dont get an ending? Why should they keep paying for something they dont like? To placate you? 

[darkshadow136]

Farbautisonn wrote...

xsdob wrote...
And you guys typeicasting people who didn't mind the ending as being metally imparied is better? You need to stop the hypocricy of what your saying and stop instigating fights.

-Oh. Ok. So now you lump me in with a certain group and then extrapolate the qualities from said group you want to enlighten and then attribute them to me personally? 

How about this? You go digging through this forum and find a quote where I personally stated anything of the sort? Ok? Im not holding Ghost warrior to anything but his own words... and strictly speaking since he started making judgement calls on other peoples sanity, how should he not expect a counter? 

But do me a favor and quote me back, hmm? Please? Pretty please? 

Exactly, I would challenge anyone to find me calling people names or typecasting them, unless attacked first, and even then I can't recall catergorizing anyone. If anything in my feedback to Bioware I wanted them to either make the DLC optional for the alternate endings so the people that did like the original endings could keep them.

[adawg828]

Agreed.

[bleachorange]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...
This.

Plus,how else would you define last 10 pages being full of this,every second thread being about the endings,people threatning to leave BioWare forever?

-View my response.

Why shouldnt they threaten to leave? its not like they are thretening to kill a kitten if they dont get an ending? Why should they keep paying for something they dont like? To placate you? 

Bioware, you need to tell me what I want to hear, or your future DLC gets it!!

[Farbautisonn]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
So basically what you're saying is that everybody is entitled to their opinion but I should just shut up and leave. Seems legit.

-Kind of when you questioned my sanity for believing the ending destroyed the franchise for me? Sad... innit? :innocent:

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 18 mars 2012 - 07:10 .

[Hoekzema]

To be quite honoust I don't blame Bioware, I'm pretty sure that this is all EA's fault. They probably said like: WE NEED TO FINISH THIS NOW! Bioware employees were like: 'DAMN we don't have enough time for multiple endings!, ah well lets just change the color of the explosions'

EA destroy's everything it touches. Warhammer online as an example. Also I was EXTREMELY pissed when I put the mass effect 3 disk in my pc and it started installing EA ORIGINS!!!

[Ghost Warrior]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Why shouldnt they threaten to leave? its not like they are thretening to kill a kitten if they dont get an ending? Why should they keep paying for something they dont like? To placate you?

Keep paying? They bought the game and got a product with lots of quality content. But it wasn't perfect,so let's rage.

Yes,I said rage again. Oops.

And they can't judge any future content based on this. It's like you didn't like Kasumi DLC and said never to buy another ME2 DLC again. And then comes The Lair Of The Shadow Broker.

[Da_Lion_Man]

I don't believe that, other people will simply replace some of the (previously) unsatisfied players. The people who think the game is incomplete and think it's really unethical how we have to pay for an ending.

Bioware can't really win in this situation.

[Getorex]

Here is an illustration of what illness festers at the heart of Bioware and why they cannot be trusted to create good stuff in the future.

I understand that sometime early in development of ME2 (my memory is shaky here and it may have been ME3 but the point is still valid) they took one of the main writers off the project to stick him into work on KOTOR. There you go. Apparently at Bioware, a writer is a writer is a writer and it makes no difference who is writing what because they are all interchangeable.

Let's say that there is a good, smallish company called Biosoft. Let's say that they have some GREAT writers on staff. One of them is Neal Stephenson and another is J.K. Rowlings. Let's say the Neal conceives of this great story/game idea and he calls it Mass Action. He does the major writing for Mass Action and the game is a smash hit. Great story, great characters. Then there are plans to create Mass Action 2 but here comes mega corporation ElectroSoft and buys up Biosoft. Neal doesn't want to work for a big mega corporation, perhaps he fears he will lose creative control that he enjoys now and that his work would merely become a commodity so he quits. J.K Rowlings is still there and is a great writer in her own right but her style, vision, and genre focus is totally different than Stephenson's. Anyway, Neal leaves and so Biosoft (now under ElectroSoft) hands over Mass Action 2 writing to her. She and Neal used to go to lunch together so she knows, in general, the ideas at the core of Mass Action 1 so...

JK is not a bad writer and she writes up Mass Action 2. She read what notes exist from Mass Action 1 and gives it her best but she is simply NOT Neal and it was his baby. What she produces is OK and it clearly fits in with 1 (though not cleanly) but then, she is not Neal and does NOT have his vision of this story. Mass Action 2 does OK so they begin work on Mass Action 3 with JK at the lead. After development starts, however, Biosoft decides to yank JK off Mass Action 3 and stick her at the head of a new game called Republic Knights. They stick other writers on Mass Action 3 - because Biosoft now sees writers as interchangeable. You simply fill the "writer" chair with someone who can write. Vision smision. Writers write and one is as good as another. Mass Action 3 comes out and the part JK worked on works well enough but then it gets to the part the generic writers took on and...it SUCKS.

See, one writer is not as good as another. Mass Effect 1 guys left after Mass Effect 1 as EA came in to take over. One of the main writers for ME 1 that was left was pulled from ME 2 as it was in development to work on KOTOR. A writer is a writer is a writer.

Except they aren't interchangeable.

[Ghost Warrior]

Farbautisonn wrote...

-Kind of when you questioned my sanity for believing the ending destroyed the franchise for me? Sad... innit? :innocent:

It does not make sense dude. How does it affect ME1 or ME2? Or even a big part of ME3?

[ObserverStatus]

 @OP are you sure you don't mean

"To Bioware: Tell us you're working on it and we will shut-up" ?

[Farbautisonn]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
Keep paying? They bought the game and got a product with lots of quality content. But it wasn't perfect,so let's rage.
Yes,I said rage again. Oops.
And they can't judge any future content based on this. It's like you didn't like Kasumi DLC and said never to buy another ME2 DLC again. And then comes The Lair Of The Shadow Broker.

-"Lots of quality content" -According to you. They didnt like the overall combined quality now did they? 

Year... you said rage again. Its ok though. Makes it easier for everyone to dismiss your opinions as hyperbole.

And yes they can. They can judge it because it establishes a precedent. And if that precedent is not to their liking then they do not have to pay.

As for your... "example..." or "analogy..." I really dont have a bastard clue what your point is but Im sure you'll work your way around to it eventually.

[Farbautisonn]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
It does not make sense dude. How does it affect ME1 or ME2? Or even a big part of ME3?

-Because I feel that all of my choises from ME1 through ME3 have zero bearing on the ending I get out of it? If Im only going to get the same end result... why bother? 

It makes plenty of sense to me, because I do not enjoy doing things differently when I know the end result will be precisely the same as the last time.

You however seem to have a hard time grasping that concept.

[zambingo]

Farbautisonn wrote...

zambingo wrote...

BioWare can't tells us what they are working on. It's a no win scenario with fans. Reason being any number of factors could halt production on anything they are working on and if they told us they were working on something then the lack of production on it would be perceived as a broken promise.

-Then they should have shut up entirely in the first place and not let their mouths run in live interviews then. We are not expecting anything more than what was promised.

The entire Mass Effect 3 game is the series' ending. Our decisions are reflected in numerous ways throughout the story. We meet back up with past friends, we see loved ones again, we see the good and bad of past decisions. People begged for The Scientist, not the Science Experiment and that's what we got. People begged for more Wrexy and we got him. People begged for Paragon and Renegade decisions in past games to be displayed in both positive and negative ways and that's what we got.

The finale of ME3 became narrative and this understandably angered many. But as much as people can rage against BioWare for "lying" and "breaking promises" equally valid points can be made to the opposite.

Writers or staff defending their game, while perhaps a fruitless PR move, is understandable on an emotional level. Just as it is understandable for some gamers to be angry with ME3's narrative finale.

We don't own Mass Effect, we bought the right to play it. If we are dissatisfied that is the risk we take with entertainment. BioWare is not our enemy, they have not bent us over. They made a decision they thought would be exicting and for many it wasn't. That's life.

Bringing it back to anouncing new DLC, BioWare can't announce anything until they are certain it's coming. Up until then any reassurance or mention of it would only bring more heat on them in any number of ways due to any number of reasons.

BioWare is in a no win situation. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Modifié par zambingo, 18 mars 2012 - 07:20 .