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[KingKhan03]

HenchxNarf wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

Damnit this thread got to me a little bit.. I want Shep to live.....

I don't mind Shep dying. She died a hero, and to me, she saved everyone she could and a part of her is a part of Kaidan forever.

Come onn woulda been nice if Shep coulda lived admit it:whistle:


Edit: just so you know i respect that fact that you like the ending and am not knocking you on it.

Modifié par KingKhan03, 29 mars 2012 - 10:22 .

[Peranor]

VonVerrikan wrote...

Beeno4Life wrote...

The Garrus/Tali was so cute...

I don't really see Javik being into this new cycle...

No it wasn't. Nor did it make sense.

I don't know. The Garrus+Tali romance seems logical to me. They've been working together for ~3 years. They know each other. They are both alone and they are getting closer to what could be the final hours of their life. Makes sense to me that two friends would seek out eachother for a little more then just friendship in a situation like that. And considering how awesome Garrus is im surprised that Tali has been able to resist him for this long

[Vergil_dgk]

Don't see it happening. The guy is going to complete his mission, then go somewhere and die. That's what he said himself.

[Fogg]

There should be an Asari that makes his baby's, since they like having different races doing that.

[kyg_20X6]

KingKhan03 wrote...

Good point haha she just seems to like shephard even when he's like with say tali. The little mind sharing scene at the end shows it she's obviously into him.

Not to mention she single-handedly takes on the Collector's to retrieve Shepard's body (when no one else did), whether you romanced her or not.

That's what I love about the Shep/Liara romance. I think it's much more special, given its scope, than the others. Deeper, more rewarding.

[Doctoglethorpe]

**** no.

[Estelindis]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Not to mention she single-handedly takes on the Collector's to retrieve Shepard's body (when no one else did), whether you romanced her or not.

That's what I love about the Shep/Liara romance. I think it's much more special, given its scope, than the others. Deeper, more rewarding.

It's certainly very deep and rewarding for those who pursue it, but at times I feel like it interferes with the romantic relationship that I'm trying to roleplay between Shepard and Kaidan.    I suppose one could say that about any of the other romances, but it just feels like Bioware writes this kind of intimate connection between Liara and all Shepards that not everyone may actually want to roleplay.

I'm all for being friends, and I'm all for you enjoying the romance; I just don't like my hand being forced like that, you know?

[HenchxNarf]

KingKhan03 wrote...

Come onn woulda been nice if Shep coulda lived admit it:whistle:


Edit: just so you know i respect that fact that you like the ending and am not knocking you on it.

No worries! I didn't think you were.

My fangirl self, would have liked to live so that she can have Kaidan babies.. but that's what fanfic is for.

My ending was what was right for my Shep. And I'm happy with that.

[Estelindis]

HenchxNarf wrote...

My fangirl self, would have liked to live so that she can have Kaidan babies.. but that's what fanfic is for.

You and me both!    I just feel so sad for Kaidan, that he lost Shepard once only to lose her again.

I guess the same is true of Liara.  It just seems to me - truly or falsely - that because of asari biology she could go on to have Shepard's children later if she wanted, which is not something that every love interest could do, obviously.  It would be sad, but at least she'd have something of her and Shepard's future no matter what.  Kaidan doesn't.  And I like to think he would have been a great dad.

But yes: realms of fanfic, as you say...  

[HenchxNarf]

Estelindis wrote...

It's certainly very deep and rewarding for those who pursue it, but at times I feel like it interferes with the romantic relationship that I'm trying to roleplay between Shepard and Kaidan.    I suppose one could say that about any of the other romances, but it just feels like Bioware writes this kind of intimate connection between Liara and all Shepards that not everyone may actually want to roleplay.

I'm all for being friends, and I'm all for you enjoying the romance; I just don't like my hand being forced like that, you know?

I think part of it is that Liara is overly sensitive and overly friendly. Shepard (whether Shepaloo or Femshep) is her best friend (or more) and is important to her. I don't think it's just flirting, I think it's genuine concern for Shep.

[HenchxNarf]

Estelindis wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

My fangirl self, would have liked to live so that she can have Kaidan babies.. but that's what fanfic is for.

You and me both!    I just feel so sad for Kaidan, that he lost Shepard once only to lose her again.

I guess the same is true of Liara.  It just seems to me - truly or falsely - that because of asari biology she could go on to have Shepard's children later if she wanted, which is not something that every love interest could do, obviously.  It would be sad, but at least she'd have something of her and Shepard's future no matter what.  Kaidan doesn't.  And I like to think he would have been a great dad.

But yes: realms of fanfic, as you say...  

I already have two fanfics started lol One chapter is up already. Many more are in the works.

I still hold ME2 against Kaidan, because it sucked and he made me cry. But he kind of made up for it in ME3.

Well technically, Liara could have femsheps babies as well. Which is kind of weird, but cool at the same time.

[Shallyah]

If Liara could stop self-pitying the whole game about how wrong she was about the Protheans... more than once I felt like slapping her in the face "snap out of it already and act like an adult".

But yes, why not? She can give the last Prothean descendance.

Modifié par Shallyah, 29 mars 2012 - 10:34 .

[HenchxNarf]

Shallyah wrote...

If Liara could stop self-pitying the whole game about how wrong she was about the Protheans... more than once I felt like slapping her in the face "snap out of it already and at like an adult".

Technically speaking, she's still a teenager in Asari years. And her whole picture of a race came crashing down around her. Granted, she does go a bit too far sometimes, but I don't blame her for it. She spent much of her life researching them only to get a douchenozzle as a representitive of the species lol

[Mavaras]

Garrus gets her if I don't. I'm not saying Javik doesn't know how to handle a gun, but some of us know how to make it dance.

[Chuvvy]

Let's see, Javik hates all Asari and sees their entire race as a failure, and constantly trolls Liara. Liara sees Javik as a psychopath and disagrees with his entire philosophy.

Match made in heaven.

If anything they have an older brother/younger sister dynamic. In that, Javik constantly ****s on Liara just for fun.

Modifié par Slidell505, 29 mars 2012 - 10:37 .

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

Liara stay only whit Female Shepard !

[Gill Kaiser]

Estelindis wrote...

I think Javik / Aethyta would be more likely...

What?

EDIT: Kaiser, you too???? 

Hell yes! Aethyta wouldn't take any of Javik's crap and would probably troll him right back. I think they'd be good together.

[kyg_20X6]

Estelindis wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Not to mention she single-handedly takes on the Collector's to retrieve Shepard's body (when no one else did), whether you romanced her or not.

That's what I love about the Shep/Liara romance. I think it's much more special, given its scope, than the others. Deeper, more rewarding.

It's certainly very deep and rewarding for those who pursue it, but at times I feel like it interferes with the romantic relationship that I'm trying to roleplay between Shepard and Kaidan.    I suppose one could say that about any of the other romances, but it just feels like Bioware writes this kind of intimate connection between Liara and all Shepards that not everyone may actually want to roleplay.

I'm all for being friends, and I'm all for you enjoying the romance; I just don't like my hand being forced like that, you know?

I'm not sure what you mean. I haven't really noticed that.

I had one playthrough where I'd romanced Liara in ME1 but Tali in ME2. Liara asked me once in LotSB, and once in ME3 (on Mars), if there was a future for us. I'm assuming she asked again in ME3 because there seems to be weird continuity problems with LotSB, like she'll say it's been 'years' since you were together if you stay faithful (like LotSB didn't take place). I shut her down both times (gently), and she never persisted with it. Pretty much she becomes like a best friend, or confidant. She's there for you, and vice-versa. Even the "gift" scene at the end felt like a best-friend thing (especially if you compare it to the romance version). Same goes for the 'time capsule' scene.

I even did a playthrough where I'd never romanced her (Ashley & Miranda) and never noticed any weird romantic dialogue from Liara.

[somewherenoplace]

Shallyah wrote...

If Liara could stop self-pitying the whole game about how wrong she was about the Protheans... more than once I felt like slapping her in the face "snap out of it already and act like an adult".

But yes, why not? She can give the last Prothean descendance.

I don't know, if the last major revelation in the field you've dedicated decades to is that you've been entirely wrong, you might deride yourself a little. Yes there are bigger things to worry about, but her academic nature does make her upset when she completely fails.

Yes, she could give him descendants

but I don't think Javik or Liara are interested  
As I said earlier, Liara, if not with Shepard, would probably kindle something with Feron

[KingKhan03]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

If Liara could stop self-pitying the whole game about how wrong she was about the Protheans... more than once I felt like slapping her in the face "snap out of it already and at like an adult".

Technically speaking, she's still a teenager in Asari years. And her whole picture of a race came crashing down around her. Granted, she does go a bit too far sometimes, but I don't blame her for it. She spent much of her life researching them only to get a douchenozzle as a representitive of the species lol

Liara also rescued shephards body from the collectors so without her reapers get to party!

[kyg_20X6]

HenchxNarf wrote...

I wouldn't say she hates him. She didn't expect his attitude, and was taken aback by him. Javik seems to warm up to Liara towards the mid-game/ending

Well, she never seems to express a change in feelings. When you cheer her up (after she wanted to kill him) she doesn't say anything about him for the rest of the game. I don't think she likes him. And Javik does tell her her people were the only hope, or whatever, but then when Shepard asks if that was the truth, he says 'I'll tell you what you want to hear', and that it was what Liara 'wanted to hear'. Yeah, I wouldn't say he 'warmed up to her'. Probably more like he just said whatever would make her refocus. Actually, I don't think he even tells her that unless you paragon interupt. So she may be even more pissed, lol.

[eoinnx03]

Yeah no. ''SHE'S MY GIRL!''

[Estelindis]

 

HenchxNarf wrote...

I think part of it is that Liara is overly sensitive and overly friendly. Shepard (whether Shepaloo or Femshep) is her best friend (or more) and is important to her. I don't think it's just flirting, I think it's genuine concern for Shep. 

 
I don't think it's just flirting either.  I guess I wasn't very clear in what I meant.  It just seems to me like there's a certain romantic vibe in many of their scenes, whether you romanced her or not.  But maybe I was just being paranoid after having to negotiate Traynor and Allers' visits to Shep's quarters without accidentally choosing a romantic conversation option and ending up taking a shower with them in my bra!

HenchxNarf wrote...

I already have two fanfics started lol One chapter is up already. Many more are in the works.

I still hold ME2 against Kaidan, because it sucked and he made me cry. But he kind of made up for it in ME3.

Well technically, Liara could have femsheps babies as well. Which is kind of weird, but cool at the same time.

 
There are a few bits and pieces I would have written differently in Kaidan's romance, so I'll probably be writing fanfic too.

As for Liara, it's not weird for an asari, as I like to think she'd only have the child of a romanced FemShep.  It would only be odd if she had your child whether you'd wanted that kind of relationship with her or not, and, as oddly-intimate as I found things between Shepard and Liara at times, I don't think she'd do that.  That'd be a step too far and Liara respects Shep too much.

HenchxNarf wrote...

Technically speaking, she's still a teenager in Asari years. And her whole picture of a race came crashing down around her. Granted, she does go a bit too far sometimes, but I don't blame her for it. She spent much of her life researching them only to get a douchenozzle as a representitive of the species lol

Indeed!  I'd just like to add how refreshing it was that Javik wasn't some kind of all-wise philosophical being (as advanced aliens are often stereotyped), and was instead written as a kind of fascist/pragmatist (with some, but not all, of his distasteful views coming as a result of what the protheans suffered).

[somewherenoplace]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

I wouldn't say she hates him. She didn't expect his attitude, and was taken aback by him. Javik seems to warm up to Liara towards the mid-game/ending

Well, she never seems to express a change in feelings. When you cheer her up (after she wanted to kill him) she doesn't say anything about him for the rest of the game. I don't think she likes him. And Javik does tell her her people were the only hope, or whatever, but then when Shepard asks if that was the truth, he says 'I'll tell you what you want to hear', and that it was what Liara 'wanted to hear'. Yeah, I wouldn't say he 'warmed up to her'. Probably more like he just said whatever would make her refocus. Actually, I don't think he even tells her that unless you paragon interupt. So she may be even more pissed, lol.

In her notes that you can read in her quarters... a little creepy... she talks about how she was foolish to expect something so idealized and realizes that she has to reapproach the situation from a different perspective. She has to look at it as that's who he is and ultimately she doesn't hate him, understands, and is still interesteed in new academic knowledge if this all ends. 

[Rhyth]

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