Being updated as we speak and I cannot lie...most if not every single one of these points make sense! https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true
Google document containing every glaring flaw in the ending of Mass Effect 3
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 05:56
PsychoticBiotic
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I'm glad someone decided to organize these thoughts!
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 05:58
Narsilsword
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I have read this and it NEEDS to be read by the writers at Bioware. It is the best constructive criticism that they say they are looking for. Maybe someone can twitter it to Bioware?
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 05:58
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I didn't even think about most of this XD
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 05:59
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Even if you do not believe in the indoctrination theory, this is a must read
This is what strikes me the most, and is exactly what I as thinking-
"Part of what drove me to write this analysis is that it is inconceivable to me that a professional writer could have produced this staggering degree of literary incompetence and I truly want to believe that it's all part of the plan - not necessarily for the sake of the Mass Effect story, but for the sake of my continued faith in human competence."
This is what strikes me the most, and is exactly what I as thinking-
"Part of what drove me to write this analysis is that it is inconceivable to me that a professional writer could have produced this staggering degree of literary incompetence and I truly want to believe that it's all part of the plan - not necessarily for the sake of the Mass Effect story, but for the sake of my continued faith in human competence."
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 05:59
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If by the will of some great force the indoctrination theory would stand to be true, wouldn't that just ****** of many people? Since 2 out of 3 choices would lead to failure and only the destroy option would break Shepard free...
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 06:00
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This should be posted on every forum, every argument, every topic, and every place bioware/EA might see it... Hell I'll print copies and mail them to individual bioware employees if I can find their address's... This is brilliant.
Hold the Line!
Hold the Line!
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 06:01
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The fact you mono-gendered it made me stop reading it. Not to mention, its more speculation than logic.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 06:02
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And of course... whenever you see something like that in a show...
A Wizard Did it.
But...
WIZARD!
A Wizard Did it.
But...
WIZARD!
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 06:02
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This is more a scrutiny of details than anything else. Pointing out the flaws in execution, but not in a game breaking way. At least not for me in the parts I skimmed over.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 06:03
Dark_Caduceus
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incinerator950 wrote...
The fact you mono-gendered it made me stop reading it. Not to mention, its more speculation than logic.
The mono-gendering does make it seem somewhat less professional, true. However, even though certain points are based around speculation many others seem pretty solid.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 06:03
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Reminds me of Mass Effect: Deception.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 06:07
Genera1Nemesis
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What's funny is that even if BW never actually intended indoctrination theory; they almost HAVE to change it to that now to appease the fans.
Not that I'd mind. More Mass Effect is more Mass Effect; even if I found enjoyment in the endings we have so far.
Not that I'd mind. More Mass Effect is more Mass Effect; even if I found enjoyment in the endings we have so far.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 06:08
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It's a very good document. I especially like the part about who everything the starchild says contradicts everything we're been told before...
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 06:08
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One thing loosely related to the topic that bugged me. Doesn't the omni tool have a built in camera? So why didn't Shepard take pictures of the collector base?
Instead the place reminds Anderson of "his description of the Collector Base."
Instead the place reminds Anderson of "his description of the Collector Base."
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 06:10
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Arquin wrote...
If by the will of some great force the indoctrination theory would stand to be true, wouldn't that just ****** of many people? Since 2 out of 3 choices would lead to failure and only the destroy option would break Shepard free...
I think indoc is a stupid idea. I don't think it's true.
If Bioware accepted it and used it as a way to transition to a real ending, you wouldn't hear a single complaint out of me.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 06:10
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The ending, when Shepard first enters the citadel is filled with incredible menace and dread! I would make the following changes after....
Shepard believes that he is on the citadel, but he is not! The beam has somehow transported him to another dimension that has no organic life. Shepard and Anderson meet up, and they make their way to the control room. There they meet the controller of the Reapers, a frightening looking half humanoid cybernetic being. It reveals to them that it is experimenting on our universe/galaxy and that it is trying to control/alter our evolutionary process so that it can witness every variation of ‘life’ and ‘collect evidence' of it. (This would explain why Harbinger said to "preserve" Shepard's body in ME2, and why Reaper intentions are beyond our comprehension.) The being tells Shepard that he has provided it with a life experience it has never experinced before, and his 'will power' has never been witnessed in over 100 cycles!
Shepard is stunnded and enraged that so many cycles have occured . He attempts to kill the being, and it subdues him, Anderson, and the Illusive man, who is trying to gain control of the experiment/Reapers. The being then attempts to preserve Shepard’s body in stasis, but Anderson stops it before it can do so. Shepard kills the being with a grenade, and he and Anderson stop the experiment, and take the Illusive Man back to earth for trial. The Illusive man manages to evade justice and promises to find a way back to the cybernetic dimension, which they failed to close…
The End
Shepard believes that he is on the citadel, but he is not! The beam has somehow transported him to another dimension that has no organic life. Shepard and Anderson meet up, and they make their way to the control room. There they meet the controller of the Reapers, a frightening looking half humanoid cybernetic being. It reveals to them that it is experimenting on our universe/galaxy and that it is trying to control/alter our evolutionary process so that it can witness every variation of ‘life’ and ‘collect evidence' of it. (This would explain why Harbinger said to "preserve" Shepard's body in ME2, and why Reaper intentions are beyond our comprehension.) The being tells Shepard that he has provided it with a life experience it has never experinced before, and his 'will power' has never been witnessed in over 100 cycles!
Shepard is stunnded and enraged that so many cycles have occured . He attempts to kill the being, and it subdues him, Anderson, and the Illusive man, who is trying to gain control of the experiment/Reapers. The being then attempts to preserve Shepard’s body in stasis, but Anderson stops it before it can do so. Shepard kills the being with a grenade, and he and Anderson stop the experiment, and take the Illusive Man back to earth for trial. The Illusive man manages to evade justice and promises to find a way back to the cybernetic dimension, which they failed to close…
The End
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 06:11
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Nice.
I hope Bioware reads this, and makes an atempt to adress at least some of the inconsistencies in the finale.
Because we all want to be proud of Bioware, and of Bioware products.
I hope Bioware reads this, and makes an atempt to adress at least some of the inconsistencies in the finale.
Because we all want to be proud of Bioware, and of Bioware products.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 06:12
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Arquin wrote...
If by the will of some great force the indoctrination theory would stand to be true, wouldn't that just ****** of many people? Since 2 out of 3 choices would lead to failure and only the destroy option would break Shepard free...
I can only speak for myself, but no.
***SPOILER FROM SIXTH SENSE THAT EVERYONE PROBABLY KNOWS ALLREADY****
When it's revealed Bruce Willis is a Ghost, we look back and see how that was actually part of the story all along. Indoc Theory is basically operating on the assumption that BW wants a ton of people to get to the same point in the story at the same time, then at some moment in the future, have us play the end nearly the same time.
And yes, it's entirely resonable to not buy into Indoc Theory because it seems like a huge risk for BW to take, but I think it would be brilliant.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 06:12
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Dang, people could write a whole book about it.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 06:13
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I guess I'm in for a longer read. Def need to read this.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 06:13
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"The lines spoken by the Child are simultaneously read by the voices of Female and Male Shepard, panned to the left and right speakers respectively.
It suggests, obviously, that the things Shepard is being told are in his or her own head - that it isn't real. This is something that the development team would have had to do very deliberately, they would not triple the amount of dialogue recording work for no reason."
Wow... I never got that one. Good find. o.O
It suggests, obviously, that the things Shepard is being told are in his or her own head - that it isn't real. This is something that the development team would have had to do very deliberately, they would not triple the amount of dialogue recording work for no reason."
Wow... I never got that one. Good find. o.O
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 06:14
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4. "I control the Reapers. They are my solution."
Everything Sovereign said about the Reapers contradicts the notions that they are tools controlled by a Child for the purpose of preserving Order.
A) Sovereign stated that each individual Reaper is an "independent nation" unto itself. That nobody created them - they have always existed and always will.
Sovereign stated that Reapers are the pinnacle of evolution and existence, yet the Child states that the magical synthesis resulting from Shepard throwing himself into a beam to merge all life forms into new D.N.A. is the apex of evolution.
C) Sovereign states that the Reapers are the "end of everything". Everything is a word with a very distinct meaning - it means everything, not just organics.
D) Sovereign states that the Reapers have no beginning and no end. If they were the Child's solution to Chaos they must have had a beginning - namely that point at which the Child devised the solution.
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Everything Sovereign said about the Reapers contradicts the notions that they are tools controlled by a Child for the purpose of preserving Order.
A) Sovereign stated that each individual Reaper is an "independent nation" unto itself. That nobody created them - they have always existed and always will.
Sovereign stated that Reapers are the pinnacle of evolution and existence, yet the Child states that the magical synthesis resulting from Shepard throwing himself into a beam to merge all life forms into new D.N.A. is the apex of evolution.C) Sovereign states that the Reapers are the "end of everything". Everything is a word with a very distinct meaning - it means everything, not just organics.
D) Sovereign states that the Reapers have no beginning and no end. If they were the Child's solution to Chaos they must have had a beginning - namely that point at which the Child devised the solution.
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