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[MaYtriX]

Im starting to wonder if bioware did this on purpose....

[KelaSaar]

This document is awesome. It's nice to see everything that's been mentioned on the forums condensed in one place.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I just finished writing a 7 page review of the game. I thought it would only be about a couple of pages, but it kept getting more and more detailed. It's basically about my play through using what was probably my worst play through of ME1 and ME2 and still managed to get what were supposed to be the best endings of ME3. None of them made any sense. I covered all 7 of those points about the end. One of my points was to show how little our choices from the previous games mattered at all. Dire consequences indeed.

Nothing past the blast made any sense. Marauder Shields.... lol. Unlimited ammo.... immortal keepers. Saren's bullets were da sh*t. Shepard's bullets were nerf bullets.

Everything past Harbinger's blast should be trashed and redone. Everything. I'll take one great ending with no choices vs. the choice of three of the worst endings. I'll take one with a heart-wrenching Shepard dying at least in my LI's arms or with Garrus after it's over, but after it's over after being carried from the battle field. Just give me the glorious victory sending the Reapers to Hell, and leave the relays alone. I could live with that.

A new character can deal with TIM in subsequent DLC.

[ed87]

MrPuschel wrote...

4. "I control the Reapers. They are my solution."

Everything Sovereign said about the Reapers contradicts the notions that they are tools controlled by a Child for the purpose of preserving Order.

A) Sovereign stated that each individual Reaper is an "independent nation" unto itself. That nobody created them - they have always existed and always will.

Sovereign stated that Reapers are the pinnacle of evolution and existence, yet the Child states that the magical synthesis resulting from Shepard throwing himself into a beam to merge all life forms into new D.N.A. is the apex of evolution.

C) Sovereign states that the Reapers are the "end of everything". Everything is a word with a very distinct meaning - it means everything, not just organics.

D) Sovereign states that the Reapers have no beginning and no end. If they were the Child's solution to Chaos they must have had a beginning - namely that point at which the Child devised the solution.






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That kid single-handedly ruined the story

Modifié par ed87, 18 mars 2012 - 08:18 .

[LyletheBloody]

 Was anybody else bugged by the fact that Shepard was referred to as "her" in the document?

I was.

[Sashimi_taco]

I can't stand it. All these plot holes, all this lazy writing. What was bioware thinking? That fact that they have no come out yet and said it was a set up for better endings tells me they really did not think any of this through.

[Sashimi_taco]

LyletheBloody wrote...

 Was anybody else bugged by the fact that Shepard was referred to as "her" in the document?

I was.

Welcome to what it is like to play as femshep in a male dominated industry. 

[LyletheBloody]

Thanks... but no thanks.

Agree with what you said though. How the fans could have figured all these mistakes out in a WEEK that BioWare couldn't figure out in MONTHS of development is staggering.

[Joykilledme]

This doc is made of so much WIN its almost silly... if you are supposed to take the endings at face value according to Bioware how can they not feel horrible after reading this... lol biggest screw up ever!

[dointime85]

That's fantastic. Thank you for this compilation.

[Sashimi_taco]

Joykilledme wrote...

This doc is made of so much WIN its almost silly... if you are supposed to take the endings at face value according to Bioware how can they not feel horrible after reading this... lol biggest screw up ever!

I hope so badly that they are reading this seriously. If some guy is sitting there like "Oh cool they made fan fiction about my writing, i'm so glad my awesome writing was able to give them this fun opprotunity" I will nerd rage so hard.

[Sangnz]

Good document.
Not to mention the direct deviation from the endings of the last two games:
ME, big dust up with Saren followed by epic final scene
ME2, big dust up with human proto reaper followed by epic final scene
ME3, stumble half dead down a corridor have bit of a chat then pick an ending'o'matic.followed by some more plot holes.

Personally I prefer to think all this took place in Sheperds mind after being knocked out by Harbingers beam and is the direct influence of Harbinger trying to assume control, and if you choose the destroy option the mental back lash annihilates Harbingers consciousness which in turn causes a ripple effect on the whole reaper fleet allowing the united galaxy to win the war for Earth and push back the reapers.

[Cobra's_back]

azrael_1289 wrote...

I don't know whether these are in there. But they don't seem to be discussed too often.

1. If TIM(and hence Cerberus) was under Reaper control as the God Child AI says, why did the Reapers find the need to attack Horizon. Are we to assume that Reapers got control of TIM after that?

2.Why exactly does God Child AI present the red option? By it's implication, nothing is now stopping organics from creating synthetics that destroy organics ( ) which is what the whole point of God Child AI was.

The indoctrination in TIM and Saren were very slow. In the slow process, Reapers do not have total control for a long time. The Reapers may have needed TIM think he was in control not them.
The RED option may actually be Shepard’s self-control trying to keep hold. Saren also had moments of resistance. The RED may actually save Shepard. I’m not sure of any theory, but this is better than most. 
One thing for sure, I sure as hell wasn’t interested in listening to Hitler’s love child Star baby. How can anyone trust something that is okay with indoctrination, organics made into soup, organics used for atrocious experiments?  There is no way in hell someone should listen to that thing, or that thing wasn't real.

[Tiger]

Wow, very well done. I cant believe BioWare thought this was a good ending...shame shame know your name.

[beyzend]

No matter what theories people come up with that seem to fit, it's all speculation. They are all just extrapolations of our own minds to the images on screen. So a) you take the exact images and sound of the ending at face value or you speculate upon it. There is nothing you can do unless BW come out and explain the ending in a canonical way, hmm I mean interpret the ending. I doubt they will do that. The only other way is that it's all planned and the indoc. theory is true. But the problem with indoc. theory is that it's all speculation too.

It's all speulation. Numerous things mentioned in this doc may *seem* to fit, but they're still just speculations. Unless BW planned this all along. ie. come out with a definitite ending (series of ending depending on choices) which a) appease those complaining or leaves no room for interpretation (ex: an singular "actiony" ending that ends up with the fleet, the ground forces, completely destroying the reapers for a final victory of all reapers; followed by a few bull**** closure stories).

Modifié par beyzend, 18 mars 2012 - 08:36 .

[ChristianTh]

Ouch, this is evidence that Bioware has rushed the ending or the writers were drunken wheny it came to the end...

[MatronAdena]

I posted this earlier, would love if anyone out there can look into it and see if it's been covered or If Im remembering it right:

during the space battle it actually seemed that the super alliance had actually been gaining the upper hand,

part of he idea comes with the crucible's arrival , seriously look at the size of it

god kid said he knew what it was all about, by that the reapers must have...yet somehow they can get it from the relay to earth unscathed , and dock it to the citadel unscathed.

if this was all really playing out, and harby jr KNEW that was a bad thing the reapers SHOULD have been focusing fire on that thing the moment it showed up..

it all really felt like the reapers were actually loosing ground


of course then when space magic happens the ONLY ships in the space shots were reapers.


meaning that at some point after the Admiral said " nothings happening" -meaning they were still there and watching" and the time the beam happens every single super alliance craft fell back and left the system? they didnt stay there to defend their " only hope to stoping the reapers" and buy shep time?




something I'd love some insight on.

Modifié par MatronAdena, 18 mars 2012 - 08:34 .

[coles4971]

It's about time we got a google document for this too.

[MissMaster_2]

THIS!

[JoeLaTurkeyII]

The Google Doc has become a Bioware fan's Thanix Cannon

[Paragon Auducan]

beyzend wrote...

No matter what theories people come up with that seem to fit, it's all speculation. They are all just extrapolations of our own minds to the images on screen. So a) you take the exact images and sound of the ending at face value or you speculate upon it. There is nothing you can do unless BW come out and explain the ending in a canonical way, hmm I mean interpret the ending. I doubt they will do that. The only other way is that it's all planned and the indoc. theory is true. But the problem with indoc. theory is that it's all speculation too.

It's all speulation. Numerous things mentioned in this doc may *seem* to fit, but they're still just speculations. Unless BW planned this all along.

Ignore the theory, this show all the plotholes. It's saying the ONLY way for them to make sense is if the theory is correct.

[KylieDog]

Mcfly616 wrote...

@KylieDog:

You just hate the indoc.theory....the author of this document is not implying that the indoc theory is fact....he just says that the only possible way for the plotholes to make sense is if the theory were true....he even states the document isn't based on the indoc theory....he just lists all of the plotholes....plain and simple....don't hate just because you saw the words "indoctrination theory" within the document

Not at all, when only the demo was out I theorised the child was the result of indoctrination, however this article is just bogus on many claims, examples:

Arrival confirming Relay explosions wipe out star systems...NOT A FACT, ramming an asteroid into one does that sure, we have no idea in what manner the citadel force the explosions, if you watch the video it seems to be channelling it into a burst to the next relay.  It would make more sense that half the galaxy isn't nuked by design.

Joker apparently MUST exit at a mass relay, where he would then be destroyed instantly, this is apparently all fact except my above example allows for a passage of escape.  Secondly, he could have been forced to drop out at a point between the 2 mass relays if the ships engines went to hell and that wave caught up, which it looked like.

How did Hackett know someone was alive on the Citadel?  Apparently a fact that he knows everyone died....except Hackett would have known someone was on it because it opened up for the Crucible to connect.  He believes in Shepard, fair to assume he would try contact him/her.

There are many more silly assumptions that overlook thngs or just other possibilities.


Sorry you don't just get to lable me a hater based on nothing

[MissMaster_2]

Send it to them.

[Tychu9]

 All I am saying is that the author of this article didn't watch and listen to the StarChild's speech.   He controlls the Reapers, and the Reapers are the conciousness' of all the old life forms.

Isaac Asimov spoilers follow





As for anybody who doesn't like the ending, read Science Fiction.  Especially Isaac Asimov's Saga (not jus the Foundation series).  The Mass Effect Series is a huge homage to Isaac Asimov.  The StarChild is all based on Asimov's books and the ending is the ending of Asimov's books.

Good Work BioWare Good Work

[Robhuzz]

pablosplinter wrote...

Even if you do not believe in the indoctrination theory, this is a must read


This is what strikes me the most, and is exactly what I as thinking-

"Part of what drove me to write this analysis is that it is inconceivable to me that a professional writer could have produced this staggering degree of literary incompetence and I truly want to believe that it's all part of the plan - not necessarily for the sake of the Mass Effect story, but for the sake of my continued faith in human competence."

This is very much in line with my own thoughts. The first 99% and the final 1% of the game are just so different on just about every level. The transition from awesome believable action and story to plothole riddled fantasy ending is not a smooth transition, it happens the instant you meet the god kid. I knew about the commotion about the ending before I reached it but didn't read into it since I didn't want to get spoiled. Even at the moment Anderson died while sitting next to Shepard I could not have predicted the final minutes of the game would take such a dramatic turn (dramatic in terms of writing).

It all leads me to believe (and maybe I'm still hoping against hope here) that it was all done on purpose. And if it was done on purpose then it would be a very closely guarded secret, another reason for BioWare to stay very quiet on this subject, like they're doing now.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 18 mars 2012 - 08:38 .