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[Blarty]

And yet you so easily play into their hands

[TheBlackBaron]

You're kidding. You're kidding, right?

[colouroflife]

Why extreme? This is a democratic right, a human right, a customer-consumer right and he uses this. This is even more than a right but a duty of citizenship. We can agree or disagree with his cause but we should support his way and his rights. Stop nagging and whining around and learn to respect different opinions, feelings and thoughts.

[ObserverStatus]

Suddenly, I feel a sense of overwhelming pity for the bureaucrats who have to act as the gatekeepers for government agencies, and have to sort out disgusting farces like this from real problems.

Modifié par bobobo878, 18 mars 2012 - 07:09 .

[UrgentArchengel]

While I will agree, until we get the ending we were promised, we were blantently given false advertisment; going this far is kinda sad. The BBB, maybe, but the FTC is just dropping a nuke where you shouldn't.

Edit: Or maybe I shouldn't talk in threads that I clearly have no knowledge around. lol!

Modifié par UrgentArchengel, 18 mars 2012 - 07:11 .

[thunderhawk862002]

General User wrote...

nevar00 wrote...
If you are dissatisfied with a product or feel cheated (and we WERE lied to: remember 16 different endings?  The Rachni will play a huge role?  Your decisions matter? Yeah...) , you can make a complaint to the FTC. This isn't automatically starting a lawsuit against someone. It really isn't a big deal.

Yes it is. For the complainer most of all. 

This is not a serious complaint about an abusive business practice.  This is the "grown-up" (and I mean that in the loosest possible sense) equivalent of a child tattling to teacher when she doesn't get her way on the playground.  It plays directly into the "spoiled, entitled children" image the Retake movement has to constantly work to overcome.  These complaints do far more harm than good.

If someone legitimately feels that the advertising (etc.) leading up to ME3 was misleading (and I can certainly understand why they might feel this way), and feels compelled to bring their complaints to a third party, then the Better Business Bureau is the proper organization to involve, not the American Federal Trade Commission.

http://business.ftc....rnet-rules-road

"The FTC Act prohibits unfair or deceptive advertising in any medium. That is, advertising must tell the truth and not mislead consumers. A claim can be misleading if relevant information is left out or if the claim implies something that's not true. For example, a lease advertisement for an automobile that promotes "$0 Down" may be misleading if significant and undisclosed charges are due at lease signing.In addition, claims must be substantiated, especially when they concern health, safety, or performance. The type of evidence may depend on the product, the claims, and what experts believe necessary. If your ad specifies a certain level of support for a claim - "tests show X" - you must have at least that level of support.Sellers are responsible for claims they make about their products and services. Third parties - such as advertising agencies or website designers and catalog marketers - also may be liable for making or disseminating deceptive representations if they participate in the preparation or distribution of the advertising, or know about the deceptive claims. "

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 18 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[ArcanistLibram]

Heh. It's not my style, but the FTC's there for a reason. They'll sort it out.

[VolusvsReaper]

Way to kill your own movement.

[thunderhawk862002]

VolusvsReaper wrote...

Way to kill your own movement.

If a movement requires giving up customer rights to join, it isn't a movement I would want to be a part of.

[General User]

colouroflife wrote...

Why extreme? This is a democratic right, a human right, a customer-consumer right and he uses this. This is even more than a right but a duty of citizenship. We can agree or disagree with his cause but we should support his way and his rights. Stop nagging and whining around and learn to respect different opinions, feelings and thoughts.

Just because someone has a right to file a complaint of this nature, doesn't mean they should, nor does it raise those persons who choose to do so above criticism.

Filing Federal complaints about the ending of ME3 is irresponsible.  At best.  And not only are the people filing these complaints irresponsible themselves, but they're harming the Retake movement in the process.

[submarinex1]

love to be one on ftc who gets those complaints. hope they got plenty ink for the rejected stamp
every game always has someone doing this or saying about they going to do a class action lawsuit etc and it always comes to nothing because they have no grounds.   what the people going to do if the ftc asked for proof they owned the game, thats going to cause most of them a problem.

dont like harry potter ending sue the writer ?  good luck if you can find a court who would find in your favour

Modifié par submarinex1, 18 mars 2012 - 07:18 .

[AJRimmsey]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

VolusvsReaper wrote...

Way to kill your own movement.

If a movement requires giving up customer rights to join, it isn't a movement I would want to be a part of.

this whole thing is more akin to a bowel movement.

i did one today and the minute i heard the spash i thought "ahhhh another retake"

[_symphony]

I think is within our rights to complain, using whatever tools we have as consumers. If (emphasis on IF) the FTC takes action it means EA/BioWare did bad enough to bring this to themselves.

[thunderhawk862002]

General User wrote...

colouroflife wrote...

Why extreme? This is a democratic right, a human right, a customer-consumer right and he uses this. This is even more than a right but a duty of citizenship. We can agree or disagree with his cause but we should support his way and his rights. Stop nagging and whining around and learn to respect different opinions, feelings and thoughts.

Just because someone has a right to file a complaint of this nature, doesn't mean they should, nor does it raise those persons who choose to do so above criticism.

Filing Federal complaints about the ending of ME3 is irresponsible.  At best.  And not only are the people filing these complaints irresponsible themselves, but they're harming the Retake movement in the process.

It's not about the ending, it's about the false adverisements related to the game.

[submarinex1]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

General User wrote...

colouroflife wrote...

Why extreme? This is a democratic right, a human right, a customer-consumer right and he uses this. This is even more than a right but a duty of citizenship. We can agree or disagree with his cause but we should support his way and his rights. Stop nagging and whining around and learn to respect different opinions, feelings and thoughts.

Just because someone has a right to file a complaint of this nature, doesn't mean they should, nor does it raise those persons who choose to do so above criticism.

Filing Federal complaints about the ending of ME3 is irresponsible.  At best.  And not only are the people filing these complaints irresponsible themselves, but they're harming the Retake movement in the process.

It's not about the ending, it's about the false adverisements related to the game.

but thunder you have to own the game to complain about it.

[TheBlackBaron]

Sure, it's technically within their rights to file a complaint with the FTC. Doesn't mean that they actually have legitimate grounds for one, and it's going to be one watching people try and rationalize that they do.

[Akka le Vil]

I think it's insane and I think it's bad for art in general. Art should be made by the creator, in the manner he sees fit, not be dictated by polls - design by popularity has never been anything but crap.

But another part of my mind think that it'd just be karmic justice to have publishers being bitten in the @ss by their marketting lies, and that money-driven art is no better than popularity contest art.

In other words : I think it's stupid, but I'll chuckle if EA & co get bruised by it.

Modifié par Akka le Vil, 18 mars 2012 - 07:21 .

[Sorileus]

This will be ....interesting to see how this plays out....But WOW.....never thought I'd see this happen.

[BrookerT]

its hurting the movement, it should be between Bioware and there fans, possibly gaming media.
Why? Because we perceive the endings as bad because they ruin the universe and bring no closure, people who have not played Mass Effect will not see that, they will probably see the endings as something better than they, possibly philosophical.

By doing this, this person is bringing people into this dispute who will not understand, it will do more harm than good, and make the fan-base appear entitled, which they are not,

Oh yeah, interviews are never legally binding, unless its specifically stated on the box, posters or press releases it doesn't count as false advertising, making the complaint useless anyway.

[submarinex1]

there was another site that people kept going on about how they would report different game companys to that wasnt even a legit body with any powers but I forget the name of it.

[thunderhawk862002]

One last thought, Toyota advertises that all in working order or your money back. If you live in Alaska and the only thing that isn't working is the heater. Are you going to try and get them to fix it or get your money back. However, if you are in Texas are you going to bother trying to get them to fix the heater if you really don't care about it? Some people will and some people won't. If you're in Alaska there would probably be a greater proportion of people to get Toyota to fix the problem.

[General User]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

General User wrote...

colouroflife wrote...

Why extreme? This is a democratic right, a human right, a customer-consumer right and he uses this. This is even more than a right but a duty of citizenship. We can agree or disagree with his cause but we should support his way and his rights. Stop nagging and whining around and learn to respect different opinions, feelings and thoughts.

Just because someone has a right to file a complaint of this nature, doesn't mean they should, nor does it raise those persons who choose to do so above criticism.

Filing Federal complaints about the ending of ME3 is irresponsible.  At best.  And not only are the people filing these complaints irresponsible themselves, but they're harming the Retake movement in the process.

It's not about the ending, it's about the false adverisements related to the game.

If someome feels that the advertising leading up to ME3's release was false or misleading, and that EA/Bioware has been unresponsive to their concerns, then the BBB is the proper place to take those concerns. 

But to take one's disatisfaction with an luxury entertainment product directly to the US Federal government is both reckless and petty.

Modifié par General User, 18 mars 2012 - 07:30 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Filing Federal complaints about the ending of ME3 is irresponsible. At best. And not only are the people filing these complaints irresponsible themselves, but they're harming the Retake movement in the process.

Being from the UK I don't know about the details, but the principle is sound. I'm no expert and cannot judge if the situation constitutes a breach of regulations, so reporting it to the appropriate authority and letting them decide seems like a good idea.

And if you think that it will harm Retake Mass Effect then, well, you're a bit short-sighted - you're message to EA being that you're willing to waive legal rights as long as they make a DLC ending you enjoy.

[TheProfessor234]

I like how they're using the word reported. It reminds me of people in video games or on forums.

Just slightly amusing.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

ROFL THIS IS PRETTY RIDICULOUS

gonna file a petition that bioshock infinite doesnt go on forever.