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[_symphony]

Faust1979 wrote...
all this is, is just people complaining because they didn't get the ending they made up in their head, the people that hated the ending were always bound to be angry about something

You mean the ending BioWare said we would get.

[starscreamerx31]

P47 ace wrote...

little extrem but if it work i wont complain

agreed

[scottish_sin]

I don't like the ending as much as the next person but I do think this is taking it too far. I think it just paints a bad picture for the majority of us.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Gatt9 wrote...

-Day 1 DLC being on the disc could present a legal issue as the packaging does not declare to the user that not all content on the disc is accessible for the stated purchase price.

Not that the entire From Ashes mission is even ON the disc, but if games needed to have such a notice on it, EVERY game would need such a notice. It's a rare thing when a game disc doesn't have unused content of some kind somewhere in there.

But to make this plain: the From Ashes DLC is over 600 MB in size. An unlock key for on-disc content would be measure in KILOBYTES, not megabytes, and certainly not multiple hundred megabytes. That certain portions of content on-disc are accessed via the DLC isn't anything extraordinary. It just means the DLC was pre-planned and therefore, "pre-fitted," for the game.

This is neither illegal nor foul play on the part of the publisher or developer, no matter how much you want to grouse about it.

Regarding the accusation of false advertising, I kind of agree with it. They said a lot about the way choices could affect the ending and how the endings would vary more in this game than in previous games. Instead we got a handful of nearly-identical endings that vary even less than the ones in ME1 and ME2.

[Tazzmission]

_symphony wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...
all this is, is just people complaining because they didn't get the ending they made up in their head, the people that hated the ending were always bound to be angry about something

You mean the ending BioWare said we would get.

i was promised a great movie called green lantern and as a fan i was disapointed so just because it wasnt what it was hyped up to be should that be a excuse to go around like a idiot and say welp i was decieved or heart broken ?

let alone say well dc comics as a company sucks or the director is a hack?

or even better should i make a big deal about it and go to the ftc or even as far as emailing fox news since a poster did such a thing?


the issue is the people who complain have nothing better to do than complain because they think they know whats ok for the writters to write and by god if they dont the fans get all blood thirsty


its fans like you who make me ashamed to be a bioware fan because look at how you people over react

Modifié par Tazzmission, 18 mars 2012 - 09:28 .

[Arkitekt]

... And this is why no sane company ever tries to do amazing engaging games. The fan backlash potential is just too damn risky.

Thanks to all of you who filed this nonsense. You are basically killing the genre forever.

[Dridengx]

Tazzmission wrote...

_symphony wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...
all this is, is just people complaining because they didn't get the ending they made up in their head, the people that hated the ending were always bound to be angry about something

You mean the ending BioWare said we would get.

i was promised a great movie called green lantern and as a fan i was disapointed so just because it wasnt what it was hyped up to be should that be a excuse to go around like a idiot and say welp i was decieved or heart broken ?

let alone say well dc comics as a company sucks or the director is a hack?

or even better should i make a big deal about it and go to the ftc or even as far as emailing fox news since a poster did such a thing?


the issue is the people who complain have nothing better to do than complain because they think they know whats ok for the writters to write and by god if they dont the fans get all blood thirsty


its fans like you who make me ashamed to be a bioware fan because look at how you people over react

oh boy green lantern, you know the game was actually better than the movie

[Spaceguy5]

It's not extreme.

Why?

If there actually is a problem, the FTC will act. If there isn't, they won't and they'll ignore it.

[Tazzmission]

Dridengx wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

_symphony wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...
all this is, is just people complaining because they didn't get the ending they made up in their head, the people that hated the ending were always bound to be angry about something

You mean the ending BioWare said we would get.

i was promised a great movie called green lantern and as a fan i was disapointed so just because it wasnt what it was hyped up to be should that be a excuse to go around like a idiot and say welp i was decieved or heart broken ?

let alone say well dc comics as a company sucks or the director is a hack?

or even better should i make a big deal about it and go to the ftc or even as far as emailing fox news since a poster did such a thing?


the issue is the people who complain have nothing better to do than complain because they think they know whats ok for the writters to write and by god if they dont the fans get all blood thirsty


its fans like you who make me ashamed to be a bioware fan because look at how you people over react

oh boy green lantern, you know the game was actually better than the movie

yea the game was great but short for 60 bucks

the movie was decent at best and the cast was great but the story was just so many archs mixed into one 1hr45 minute film

ill always remember coming home from the midnight showing and i rewrote the script by doing a fan fiction


first thing i did was NOT include parallax into hals orgin

Modifié par Tazzmission, 18 mars 2012 - 09:31 .

[CerberusSoldier]

You can get mad over the endings but as far as the from ashes dlc goes a company has a right to sell its product in what ever form it wants to . It is the marketplace's place to decide if the product is not worth buying by either buying it or not buying it . that is not doing anything illegal at all

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

 Less than 5% of people support this.

[thunderhawk862002]

Arkitekt wrote...

... And this is why no sane company ever tries to do amazing engaging games. The fan backlash potential is just too damn risky.

Thanks to all of you who filed this nonsense. You are basically killing the genre forever.

You're welcome. 

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 18 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[_symphony]

Sorry Tazzmission, but a movie isn't a videogame, a movie ticket only allows you to watch it once, it doesn't cost 60 dollars, and movies aren't 20 hours long. If a movie sucks you only lose some hours and some change.
There were as well very specific promises that BioWare made about the ending, if you ignore that you're avoiding the very issue at hand.

[Tazzmission]

_symphony wrote...

Sorry Tazzmission, but a movie isn't a videogame, a movie ticket only allows you to watch it once, it doesn't cost 60 dollars, and movies aren't 20 hours long. If a movie sucks you only lose some hours and some change.
There were as well very specific promises that BioWare made about the ending, if you ignore that you're avoiding the very issue at hand.

regardless if its 10 dollars or 60 a promise is a promise right?

you cant just say only videogames matter because it dosent

oh also btw there are also movie tie in games so should i be like you and wet myself over it?

no i shouldnt



im against all form of movie remakes so should i file a complaint to the ftc and say whawhawha get involved and stop it?

should i go far as to say i suffer from mental stress from it?



how would you react if the devs at bioware came out and said well we are gona file a class action lawsuite because the fans give us mental stress?


your argument is flawed because where and when will it end?

Modifié par Tazzmission, 18 mars 2012 - 10:09 .

[General User]

Spaceguy5 wrote...

It's not extreme.

Why?

If there actually is a problem, the FTC will act. If there isn't, they won't and they'll ignore it.

To misquote Darth Vader, I find your abundance of faith... disturbing.

[Kanner]

Sorry, it stops being 'just a game' when it costs $50 and has a massive marketing campaign.

Comment on the specifics of the complaint if you like, but so long as money is changing hands and certain assurances were given about the quality of a product, the FTC is an appropriate move.

[Chaoswind]

Too extreme, better business is a better idea

We need to stay civil and don't do anything to harsh, I want closure for all the time I invested, I want my Shepard to have a fitting end to his awesome history, but I don't want to make BW to be hurt "beyond repair by our demands)

stay civil

[Tazzmission]

Chaoswind wrote...

Too extreme, better business is a better idea

We need to stay civil and don't do anything to harsh, I want closure for all the time I invested, I want my Shepard to have a fitting end to his awesome history, but I don't want to make BW to be hurt "beyond repair by our demands)

stay civil

finally some logic!

nicley put

[Greywinter]

The game gives us a fitting end to an epic campaign, there is no need to change ending. All we need are some coherent ending cutscenes.

And if need be i will be one of the users who will take Bioware's side in this conflict, if they call upon user's opinion.

[mebtru]

Well EA/Bioware are a company, they are not our friends, they didn't make the game just for the love of it, they made it to make some profit, so its a product, they advertised some features of the game, that weren't the true, etc.

The actual problem is the video games are not played anymore exclusivity by children who can't do anything if a company screw with them, a lot of productive people are playing it and are people who knows their rights and can do something about it.

Also that is the usa style, they can raise their concerns and sometimes they will listen, not like in my country when even if we have some government institutions who "fight" for the costumers its extremely difficult to be heard

[Wolder88]

I am rather ignorant regarding the FTC. Why is it such a bad move to report EA/Bioware to the FTC? Isnt this sort of what the institution was designed for? Dont they handle stuff like this all the time, like out-dated food being sold, products missing vital components etc that sort of stuff?

Looking back at the quotes before release regarding the ending, I´d say it is worth a check up at least..

Just because its a video game doesn't make it any less valid. Rights are universal, they apply to all sorts of customers. customers rights are important to everyone, why wouldnt it apply to videogames? ´cause its considered childish or what? im sure they would act if you bought a toy and the bag it come in was empty, this case seems as valid as any tbh.

someone explain please

Modifié par Wolder88, 18 mars 2012 - 10:39 .

[IS1991]

The guys right. Think about it if you were sold what was supposed to be a pork pie but then took a btie and found it to be a mince pie or apple pie you would complain.
This game was sold to us on the premise of player influenced endings which is not what we were given.

[windkayak]

Modifié par windkayak, 18 mars 2012 - 10:53 .

[Zaydin]

Definitely an extreme over-reaction; certain subsects of the fanbase are definitely taking this WAY too seriously. If a game having a bad ending is lawsuit material, why didn't anyone sue Eidos Montreal over Deus Ex: Human Revolution? 'Course, I'm one of those weirdos who actually liked the endings for HR...

I am not thrilled with the endings for ME3, but this just smacks of people wanting attention to me. And the endings weren't enough to ruin the game for me, considering the rest of the game was awesome.

Modifié par Zaydin, 18 mars 2012 - 10:57 .

[_symphony]

dude, going to FTC isn't like making a lawsuit. That's FTC's job to decide.