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[AJRimmsey]

Hello Man wrote...

Spaceguy5 wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

Alchemist4 wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

First world problems.

Glad I'm not a US taxpayer, I'd be fuming to find out I'm paying for this waste of time.

***shrugs shoulders*** You would be fuming a lot it seems.

Evidently.

Please tell me there's some kind of fine people can get socked with for wasting taxpayers' money and time...

Tax payer money is wasted on much much worse things.

NASA's annual budget is about $18.7 billion (A little less than .5% of the annual government's overall budget).
Perspective: The US military spends about $20 billion annually. Just to ship fuel. Heck, just to ship only the fuel used in portable air conditioning units. To the middle east. -That- is waste.

A few complains for the FTC to investigate is nothing to be concerned about, as far as wasted money in concerned.

I really doubt that ac and food is the jest of 20 billion dollars. The U.S. spend on for the military.

its america,its easy to check as they have open book policys on spending.

when i was serving in the uk forces the cost of simply taking a shower in the field was £320 per squaddie.
so i believe him

the military trough is a truly deep one to get thier snouts in

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 19 mars 2012 - 12:56 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Tazzmission wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

_symphony wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

_symphony wrote...

dude, going to FTC isn't like making a lawsuit. That's FTC's job to decide.

the ftc is going to laugh at it because they have real issues to deal with

and your point is? You don't exercise your rights as a consumer because you're afraid of being laughed at?

no im saying the country is going to hell in a handbasket and you people think the ending to a game is more important

Then it is a wonder you're spending so much time on here rather than trying to fix this country. Assuming you mean the US.

i would run but im only 27. you have to be 35 to do so

You don't have to run for president to be involved in the politics or decision making. And complaining against the opinions of a game on a message board is certainly not a way to start.

im not complaing on the game. i love it im complaining about how people abuse the law for something idiotic like the games ending thats all

As you said, there are plenty of things wrong in this country.

Someone complaining to the FTC about Mass Effect 3 being the least of them.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Oh. My. God.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

[thunderhawk862002]

With 3.5 million copies shipped that's about $210 million in physical product out there. Add on the DLC and collector's editions and that number grows even larger. I'd say when advertisements and interview statements are full of lies that result in excess of $210 million in sales that is not an insignificant problem.

[Dysjong]

This is just too stupid. One thing is the Retake movement, that i can go with (plus it also helps children) but this is far to dum. He may have every right to do this but if this leads to something stupid, then i will hold that guy responsible and might have to sue him, if for nothing then being a jerk that ruined something.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

You all just don't understand him: he tries to destroy Bioware so Bioware doesn't make games which would destroy Bioware.

[Riktus227]

http://offthebase.wo...sts-20-billion/

Also, anyone not from the States has to keep in mind they hate anything that has to do with the "Federal" involving themselves into anything.

[Spaceguy5]

Hello Man wrote...

I'm not doubting in mass that its costly for simple things . I'm just saying that I find it hard for the two things he mentions are only related to the 20 billion. Overall I'm not doubting anything.

2 things? No. The one thing--shipping gasoline that is used in AC units.

[Eriene]

This is embarrassing. 8|

[runwhileucan]

This is a little over the top. I don't like the ending either but file a complaint with the FTC? Seems extreme.

[MikoDoll]

Well seeing as the other topic was left, I guess those of us who don't see it as inherently far fetched will have come on over here. So let's go ahead and discuss this. First of all, why is this a bad idea? IF a fraudulent claim to advertise the product was made and a person bought the game on the premise of a fraudulent claim then you should be able to file a complaint.

This is a little over the top. I don't like the ending either but file a complaint with the FTC? Seems extreme.

Why? I think the timing wasn't best but I don't think it was over the top to do something like this eventually (assuming you can prove fraudulent advertising.

Modifié par MikoDoll, 19 mars 2012 - 04:14 .

[MikoDoll]

Navasha wrote...

Lost all respect for the Retake movement when this happened. Nothing says temper tantrum that asking government to rewrite the endings on things which they disagree.

Don't like the ending to 'Lost'? File a complaint.
Don't like that a TV series was pulled off the air before resolving any of the plot twists? File a complaint.

No, that's totally different. It's one thing to get an ending you didn't like when the people promoting the product didn't say anything about the endings in their promotion. It's another when people promoted the product with things it did not have. This is the difference between  being butthurt about an an ending to a longtime TV show that you didn't expect and say being told a soft drink is made with natural ingredients when it isn't. I think too many people are losing the point that the complaints are over false advertising and not simply that this isn't the kind of ending they wanted. Heck the person who filed the complaint even SAID it was over false advertising.


EDIT: I'd merge the double post but I can't find the delete option if there is one.

Modifié par MikoDoll, 19 mars 2012 - 04:20 .

[thunderhawk862002]

Well I did it early on because I wanted to be one of the first people to try to get them to engage us on the subject. You never know when someone is going to take the first step. Even with major crimes or emergencies if there is a large crowd of people everyone is thinking about intervening that just think everyone else is going to step in at some point. To make sure EA knew I wasn't happy with their way of advertising Mass Effect 3 I let them know officially. At least it gave them the heads up that maybe they need to start taking things a little more seriously

[Father_Jerusalem]

I just tried some Mio Energy. It did not turn me into a cartoon cheetah, or make me want to chase down gazelles.

So, should I file a complaint with the FTC?

[MikoDoll]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

I just tried some Mio Energy. It did not turn me into a cartoon cheetah, or make me want to chase down gazelles.

So, should I file a complaint with the FTC?

Did people promoting the product actually state that it would? No? False analogy then. The person who made the FTC complaint said in their defense that Bioware made claims to advertise the game that were false. How many people actually read the guy's topic instead of just skimming some place that mildly covered it?

Modifié par MikoDoll, 19 mars 2012 - 04:55 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

After seeing this


I actually kind of hope bioware gets in big trouble for the **** they just pulled off on us.

[thunderhawk862002]

MikoDoll wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

I just tried some Mio Energy. It did not turn me into a cartoon cheetah, or make me want to chase down gazelles.

So, should I file a complaint with the FTC?

Did people promoting the product actually state that it would? No? False analogy then. The person who made the FTC complaint said in their defense that Bioware made claims to advertise the game that were false. How many people actually read the guy's topic instead of just skimming some place that mildly covered it?

Probably not many considering a lot of people say that he filed because he didn't like the ending. I got banned on Kotaku for defending him.  I feel bad for the guy being thrown under the bus.  That guy probably would have been me but I never announced my decision by making a topic about it.  I announced it in other topics which got missed by the media.

[Father_Jerusalem]

MikoDoll wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

I just tried some Mio Energy. It did not turn me into a cartoon cheetah, or make me want to chase down gazelles.

So, should I file a complaint with the FTC?

Did people promoting the product actually state that it would? No? False analogy then. The person who made the FTC complaint said in their defense that Bioware made claims to advertise the game that were false. How many people actually read the guy's topic instead of just skimming some place that mildly covered it?

BioWare said multiple endings. There are. 

BioWare said your decisions will matter. They do.

BioWare said you can get the best ending without multiplayer. You can. My soldier had an EMS of 3960, as a Renegade who killed the Rachni queen, Destroyed the Council, and gave the Collector base to TIM. Oh, and I didn't play multiplayer until after I had beaten the game. I had all the choices at the end. 

The problem isn't BioWare. It's the people who had built this up so huge in their minds that they literally cannot conceive of BioWare not catering to their every single whim.

I'm already disinclined to be against the whiners because I DID like the ending, and people like me who simply have a different viewpoint continually get blasted for it. We get called "ignorant" and "idiots" and "****s" simply because we like something you don't. Stuff like this? Literally making a federal case out of a video game, wasting my tax dollars on something so completely frivolous... it's enough to make me hope BioWare never gives in. It's enough to make me hope BioWare never gives you people a damn thing.

Just out of spite.

[Legion64]

Many people abuse the lawsuit system just to earn some big bucks.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Legion64 wrote...

Many people abuse the lawsuit system just to earn some big bucks.

To be fair, not sure why I bother considering the unfairness on the otherside but ANYWAY, this is not a lawsuit, this is simply a complaint to the FTC. It won't go to court, he won't earn big bucks.

I do, however, expect to hear about people filing lawsuits against BioWare any day now.

[MikoDoll]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...
BioWare said multiple endings. There are. 

BioWare said your decisions will matter. They do.

BioWare said you can get the best ending without multiplayer. You can. My soldier had an EMS of 3960, as a Renegade who killed the Rachni queen, Destroyed the Council, and gave the Collector base to TIM. Oh, and I didn't play multiplayer until after I had beaten the game. I had all the choices at the end. 

The problem isn't BioWare. It's the people who had built this up so huge in their minds that they literally cannot conceive of BioWare not catering to their every single whim.

Here's the thing. Most of this stuff you are saying they did, is highly debatable right now and even if you are right it is wrong to pretend as though it's an accurate analogy to compare someone complaining over a company who hadn't made any claims towards any expectations and a person who may have misinterpreted what claims of what things to expect were made.

Stuff like this? Literally making a federal case out of a video game, wasting my tax dollars on something so completely frivolous... it's enough to make me hope BioWare never gives in. It's enough to make me hope BioWare never gives you people a damn thing.

Unfortunately you didn't read what the person had said. They made specifically clear they were not making a federal case, just filing a complaint. That does not equate to any serious legal action.

[Father_Jerusalem]

MikoDoll wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...
BioWare said multiple endings. There are. 

BioWare said your decisions will matter. They do.

BioWare said you can get the best ending without multiplayer. You can. My soldier had an EMS of 3960, as a Renegade who killed the Rachni queen, Destroyed the Council, and gave the Collector base to TIM. Oh, and I didn't play multiplayer until after I had beaten the game. I had all the choices at the end. 

The problem isn't BioWare. It's the people who had built this up so huge in their minds that they literally cannot conceive of BioWare not catering to their every single whim.

Here's the thing. Most of this stuff you are saying they did, is highly debatable right now and even if you are right it is wrong to pretend as though it's an accurate analogy to compare someone complaining over a company who hadn't made any claims towards any expectations and a person who may have misinterpreted what claims of what things to expect were made.

Stuff like this? Literally making a federal case out of a video game, wasting my tax dollars on something so completely frivolous... it's enough to make me hope BioWare never gives in. It's enough to make me hope BioWare never gives you people a damn thing.

Unfortunately you didn't read what the person had said. They made specifically clear they were not making a federal case, just filing a complaint. That does not equate to any serious legal action.

It. Is. NOT. Debatable. Everything they've said is literally true. It may not be true to YOUR standards, but it is literally true. There are different endings. Are they all as different as they possibly could be? No. But there are different endings. You cannot debate this and hope to win. 

The problem, again, is your expectation. People expecting an ending where Shepard rides off into the sunset on a unicorn that farts rainbows with Ashley, Miranda, and Tali all proclaiming their love for him while Garrus brofists him and the Miller Light catfight girls mudwrestle in the background. To think that kind of ending is, in any way, reasonable is just asinine.

It's not BioWare's fault that so many of you are just unrealistic.

[Travie]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

Many people abuse the lawsuit system just to earn some big bucks.

To be fair, not sure why I bother considering the unfairness on the otherside but ANYWAY, this is not a lawsuit, this is simply a complaint to the FTC. It won't go to court, he won't earn big bucks.

I do, however, expect to hear about people filing lawsuits against BioWare any day now.

At the very least EA's BBB rating (which is pretty important in business) will go down at least a couple letter levels.

That would get someone's attention. 

[Father_Jerusalem]

Travie wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

Many people abuse the lawsuit system just to earn some big bucks.

To be fair, not sure why I bother considering the unfairness on the otherside but ANYWAY, this is not a lawsuit, this is simply a complaint to the FTC. It won't go to court, he won't earn big bucks.

I do, however, expect to hear about people filing lawsuits against BioWare any day now.

At the very least EA's BBB rating (which is pretty important in business) will go down at least a couple letter levels.

That would get someone's attention. 

EA isn't accredited. It won't get anyone's attention. They don't care.