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[PGR94]

Piddlestick wrote...

PGR94 wrote...

The ending's not that bad, really. It wasn't quite what any of us expected but was it that bad? Does it actually change your view of Mass Effect or Bioware? Problem is, no matter what the ending is, people will complain. We all had our different ideas about how the trilogy would end and this is the way Bioware chose to end it. And remember they're the ones who created this amazing franchise in the first place. They can end it how they want. And at least they chose to end it memorably! 

When it comes down to it, Mass Effect is about the characters and events you experience throughout the story. It's the journey, not the destination that matters. And no one here can deny that the trilogy of Mass Effect is one of the greatest gaming experiences in recent years. In decades, even.

Bioware, you gave us an amazing gaming series! You end it however you want! 

Wow... since when did I end it however I wanted? Man, what game are you playing?

I'm talking about Bioware ending it however they want to. Whether people like it or not, they are the ones who decide on how they end their own story.

[Fragsmater]

[sadako]

JunMadine wrote...

I am.  I truely am.  What bothers me most is that people assume we are petulant children complaining that things didn't go our way.  The truth is we have witnessed the end of the road and found that there was nothing there to find.  It feels like my time has been wasted on a lie.

"Petulant Children"

I wish bioware/some of the forummers realizes the age demographic of the gamers playing the ME3 franchise.
I'm sure it's more like the majority already have children than being children themselves.

[Rip504]

PGR94 wrote...


When it comes down to it, Mass Effect is about the characters and events you experience throughout the story. It's the journey, not the destination that matters. And no one here can deny that the trilogy of Mass Effect is one of the greatest gaming experiences in recent years. In decades, even.

I can. Bioware destroyed not only the "destination",they also destroyed the entire "journey"...
ME3 has alot more problems then just this bad ending.

"Characters" & "Events" that all become pointless in the end. ME3 is truly a stand alone(Broken promise) game. Ends a trilogy? You can go into ME3 with no prior ME knowledge and feel the same about it... Meh.

What "Journey"? Why help anyone on the Citadel in ME3? Why do any loyalty missions in ME2? Why Save Wrex or Rachni in ME1? They all share the same fate & "destination" Either way. 90% chance of death. (Miranda's Sister. Jacob's Father. Thane's Son. The child of the Couple you helped in ME1.Etc "Characters")
Why help,devote,and Love these characters in ME1,2,and ME3? So they can all die in ME3? Wow what a "journey" & amazing "destination"...

Modifié par Rip504, 18 mars 2012 - 08:18 .

[Neuthung]

pjotroos wrote...

111987 wrote...

This post is so awful I can't even believe you posted it. Think about what you are saying.

The people basically just dismissing the OP's opinion really doesn't make the Retake Mass Effect movement look noble.


"Let's be honest, you're either
trying to troll or haven't given sufficient time into reading the
grievances of others."

"The ending was terrible by any standards."-Except by the standards of the people who liked it?

"How much did they pay you to write this?"

That's from the first page alone. Seriously guys...

Agreed, man. People want a mature discussion about why endings were bad and need to be fixed in our eyes, yet the moment someone who disagrees they're at his throat. This is precisely where the "entitled" nonsense comes from. Some people will simply like those endings. Deal with it.

I had nothing against his opinion, but I do have something against word choice that puts down the thoughts of others, such as what the OP did. There was nothing insulting, I'm just saying that if he doesn't think that people have a legitimate problem, he hasn't looked into it enough.

[sadako]

PGR94 wrote...

I'm talking about Bioware ending it however they want to. Whether people like it or not, they are the ones who decide on how they end their own story.

Not when they promised otherwise...
*points at promises link in signature*

[PGR94]

Neuthung wrote...

pjotroos wrote...

111987 wrote...

This post is so awful I can't even believe you posted it. Think about what you are saying.

The people basically just dismissing the OP's opinion really doesn't make the Retake Mass Effect movement look noble.


"Let's be honest, you're either
trying to troll or haven't given sufficient time into reading the
grievances of others."

"The ending was terrible by any standards."-Except by the standards of the people who liked it?

"How much did they pay you to write this?"

That's from the first page alone. Seriously guys...

Agreed, man. People want a mature discussion about why endings were bad and need to be fixed in our eyes, yet the moment someone who disagrees they're at his throat. This is precisely where the "entitled" nonsense comes from. Some people will simply like those endings. Deal with it.

I had nothing against his opinion, but I do have something against word choice that puts down the thoughts of others, such as what the OP did. There was nothing insulting, I'm just saying that if he doesn't think that people have a legitimate problem, he hasn't looked into it enough.

I never said I didn't realise why people are angry about the ending. I get why. I personally just don't mind the endings. Trust me, I understand why people are annoyed and want it changed. But not everyone hates the ending. It's not a fact that the endings are bad. It's an opinion that is shared by the majority, but not everyone.

[StrickenMaverick]

Carlthestrange wrote...

[Neuthung]

PGR94 wrote...

Neuthung wrote...

pjotroos wrote...

111987 wrote...

This post is so awful I can't even believe you posted it. Think about what you are saying.

The people basically just dismissing the OP's opinion really doesn't make the Retake Mass Effect movement look noble.


"Let's be honest, you're either
trying to troll or haven't given sufficient time into reading the
grievances of others."

"The ending was terrible by any standards."-Except by the standards of the people who liked it?

"How much did they pay you to write this?"

That's from the first page alone. Seriously guys...

Agreed, man. People want a mature discussion about why endings were bad and need to be fixed in our eyes, yet the moment someone who disagrees they're at his throat. This is precisely where the "entitled" nonsense comes from. Some people will simply like those endings. Deal with it.

I had nothing against his opinion, but I do have something against word choice that puts down the thoughts of others, such as what the OP did. There was nothing insulting, I'm just saying that if he doesn't think that people have a legitimate problem, he hasn't looked into it enough.

I never said I didn't realise why people are angry about the ending. I get why. I personally just don't mind the endings. Trust me, I understand why people are annoyed and want it changed. But not everyone hates the ending. It's not a fact that the endings are bad. It's an opinion that is shared by the majority, but not everyone.

If that's how you view it, you should probably change the wording of the thread title and OP. They're giving wildly different signals than you are expecting them to, because as it reads now it says "Let's be honest (as opposed to dishonest) they weren't that bad." Tens of thousands of people do think they were that bad, and they ruined half a decade of gaming for them, hundreds of hours.

[sadako]

sadako wrote...

PGR94 wrote...

I'm talking about Bioware ending it however they want to. Whether people like it or not, they are the ones who decide on how they end their own story.

Not when they promised otherwise...
*points at promises link in signature*

And thus you must understand why people are complaining about the ending. The undeniable fact is that the players were conditioned from ME1 to ME2 that although they can fail, they can also win.

Then in ME3, they do an about-face and say "Your choices didn't matter. Here's the multi coloured ending."

[Tazzmission]

PGR94 wrote...

The ending's not that bad, really. It wasn't quite what any of us expected but was it that bad? Does it actually change your view of Mass Effect or Bioware? Problem is, no matter what the ending is, people will complain. We all had our different ideas about how the trilogy would end and this is the way Bioware chose to end it. And remember they're the ones who created this amazing franchise in the first place. They can end it how they want. And at least they chose to end it memorably! 

When it comes down to it, Mass Effect is about the characters and events you experience throughout the story. It's the journey, not the destination that matters. And no one here can deny that the trilogy of Mass Effect is one of the greatest gaming experiences in recent years. In decades, even.

Bioware, you gave us an amazing gaming series! You end it however you want! 

agreed!

i enjoyed the endings because it makes me as a player think ok what would i personally do given the 3 choices

do i want to be a reaper

do i want to be the final stage of evolution

or do i want to kill the reapers


i think thats what the devs intened the endings to be like because it is more charachter driven if you think about it
there not terrible like people make it out to be

Modifié par Tazzmission, 18 mars 2012 - 08:28 .

[HandsomeHobo]

Carlthestrange wrote...

[Neuthung]

Tazzmission wrote...

PGR94 wrote...

The ending's not that bad, really. It wasn't quite what any of us expected but was it that bad? Does it actually change your view of Mass Effect or Bioware? Problem is, no matter what the ending is, people will complain. We all had our different ideas about how the trilogy would end and this is the way Bioware chose to end it. And remember they're the ones who created this amazing franchise in the first place. They can end it how they want. And at least they chose to end it memorably! 

When it comes down to it, Mass Effect is about the characters and events you experience throughout the story. It's the journey, not the destination that matters. And no one here can deny that the trilogy of Mass Effect is one of the greatest gaming experiences in recent years. In decades, even.

Bioware, you gave us an amazing gaming series! You end it however you want! 

agreed!

i enjoyed the endings becaus eit makes me as a player think ok what would i personally do given the 3 choices

do i want to be a reaper

do i want to be the final stage of evolution

or do i want to kill the reapers

there not terrible like people make it out to be

You see nothing wrong with Shepard choosing any of those based on the logic of the program controlling the reaper threat? And it's not even what's presented that's as big a problem as the absolute lack of closure and the fact that they're all basically the same. What happens? 

Not to mention plotholes, like teleporting squadmates and the like.

[sadako]

Tazzmission wrote...


agreed!

i enjoyed the endings because it makes me as a player think ok what would i personally do given the 3 choices

do i want to be a reaper

do i want to be the final stage of evolution

or do i want to kill the reapers


i think thats what the devs intened the endings to be like because it is more charachter driven if you think about it
there not terrible like people make it out to be

Nope, you got it wrong. It's all a story told by grandfather Stargazer to his grandchild.
In other words. It all never happened.

:lol:

[BWGungan]

PGR94 wrote...

The ending's not that bad, really. It wasn't quite what any of us expected but was it that bad? Does it actually change your view of Mass Effect or Bioware? Problem is, no matter what the ending is, people will complain. We all had our different ideas about how the trilogy would end and this is the way Bioware chose to end it. And remember they're the ones who created this amazing franchise in the first place. They can end it how they want. And at least they chose to end it memorably! 

When it comes down to it, Mass Effect is about the characters and events you experience throughout the story. It's the journey, not the destination that matters. And no one here can deny that the trilogy of Mass Effect is one of the greatest gaming experiences in recent years. In decades, even.

Bioware, you gave us an amazing gaming series! You end it however you want! 

It is that bad.  It does change my view of Mass Effect and BioWare.

I will not be paying for any more ME DLC unless the ending changes/expands.  I won't be buying any ME related merchandise of any kind, and I will not be blindly pre-ordering any other BioWare game.  I will wait the pre-requisite week to see if it is a shot in the nuts like this was.

Modifié par BWGungan, 18 mars 2012 - 08:32 .

[Midarenkov]

PGR94 wrote...

The ending's not that bad, really. It wasn't quite what any of us expected but was it that bad? Does it actually change your view of Mass Effect or Bioware? Problem is, no matter what the ending is, people will complain. We all had our different ideas about how the trilogy would end and this is the way Bioware chose to end it. And remember they're the ones who created this amazing franchise in the first place. They can end it how they want. And at least they chose to end it memorably! 

When it comes down to it, Mass Effect is about the characters and events you experience throughout the story. It's the journey, not the destination that matters. And no one here can deny that the trilogy of Mass Effect is one of the greatest gaming experiences in recent years. In decades, even.

Bioware, you gave us an amazing gaming series! You end it however you want! 

Hi PGR94, have you had a chance to see this?  , or a chance to read this https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true ? 

[Isu]

Carlthestrange wrote...

[111987]

Neuthung wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

PGR94 wrote...

The ending's not that bad, really. It wasn't quite what any of us expected but was it that bad? Does it actually change your view of Mass Effect or Bioware? Problem is, no matter what the ending is, people will complain. We all had our different ideas about how the trilogy would end and this is the way Bioware chose to end it. And remember they're the ones who created this amazing franchise in the first place. They can end it how they want. And at least they chose to end it memorably! 

When it comes down to it, Mass Effect is about the characters and events you experience throughout the story. It's the journey, not the destination that matters. And no one here can deny that the trilogy of Mass Effect is one of the greatest gaming experiences in recent years. In decades, even.

Bioware, you gave us an amazing gaming series! You end it however you want! 

agreed!

i enjoyed the endings becaus eit makes me as a player think ok what would i personally do given the 3 choices

do i want to be a reaper

do i want to be the final stage of evolution

or do i want to kill the reapers

there not terrible like people make it out to be

You see nothing wrong with Shepard choosing any of those based on the logic of the program controlling the reaper threat? And it's not even what's presented that's as big a problem as the absolute lack of closure and the fact that they're all basically the same. What happens? 

Not to mention plotholes, like teleporting squadmates and the like.

You don't have to accept the Reaper's logic. The Catalyst doesn't even like the Destroy or Control endings. If you disagree with the Catalyst, choose one of those options.

[Rip504]

PGR94,Do you honestly believe these are well thought out,and well explained ending to the entire trilogy ? Do you not have any unanswered or unexplainable questions?

I do not support the Indoctrination theory,I believe the endings are "what they say they are" the end.
I would enjoy ending DLC,be it Indoctrination or something else.(I do enjoy the theory & Creative fans always.Good Job) No I am not saying anything negative about the Indoctrination theory,It's a good one.

Either way I do have unanswered questions. More then a few. The endings can be accepted if explained better maybe,but there are some of us that will never enjoy these endings truly. And I will always feel as if they destroyed the entire journey with a broken promise. Also I want to be specific. When I say "Broken Promise" I speak of ME3 as a whole,not just the ending.



Edit: LoL at Sadako. Agreed,It's just some Older man,telling his grandchild a bedtime story.
Remember,Superman,Batman etc did saved our "Earth" quite alot... LoL This killed me sorry,Thanks for the laugh. I enjoyed it.(I'm not attacking you,it really did make me laugh.)

Modifié par Rip504, 18 mars 2012 - 08:37 .

[Prism]

There's one bit of dialogue with Javik that's really symbolic of this: he asks if Shepard could watch Earth whole again in the past knowing what happens in the end. I always say yes, because in the same way, I very much enjoy replaying the game with different characters and go through the story again even though the ending leaves me with certain void.
At first, in the heat of the moment, yeah, I considered the ending to be pretty much horrible. After playing it a second time, it felt a little better but still not by much.
In the mean time I've really embraced the hallucination theory, but the key fact still remains - lack of closure. Not the first time though - Revan, The Warden, Hawke. Seriously, I hope I don't have to wait 6 years for a ME MMO to come out and read a book to find what happened eventually.
If there is one good thing about the ending though, is that the rage it stirred really shows how much players were invested in the story and the characters.

[Koolgool]

Does it actually change your view of Mass Effect or Bioware?

Yes, it does.

I fully intended to replay the entire trilogy after I beat the third game, but after I saw all three endings... I realized that there's no point. The third game's ending completely undoes all of the work we did. Uniting the galaxy was pointless because now it's separated. We don't get to see how any of our choices were ultimately resolved in the end, or what happens to any of the party members we've come to love. It's like reading a good book, but finding out someone ripped out the last chapter and wrote in their own version where the world blows up. There's no point in the end. I have no drive to do anything different. The series is over and I don't want to put myself through it again with how the third game currently ends.

If you want a good game that handles killing off the main character, play Dragon Age: Origins. It's optional, but I actually ended up choosing it because it seemed like everything else would turn out for the best. And guess what? It did. That game had closure and I was happy for it.

Mass Effect 3 leaves you without a proper ending. Shepard dies, the galaxy is changed for the worse, and the universe as you knew it is now destroyed. Thanks for your money. The End.

Modifié par Koolgool, 18 mars 2012 - 08:38 .

[BWGungan]

Oops, wrong thread.

Modifié par BWGungan, 18 mars 2012 - 08:37 .

[Rip504]

James:"Hey"

Modifié par Rip504, 18 mars 2012 - 08:39 .

[Ryoten]

To the OP,

"The jokes on you human. You will believe anything"

Love, Javik.

[LordJeyl]

PGR94 wrote...
 What I'm meaning to say is that, yeh, the ending is disappointing to A LOT of people. But that doesnt take away from the fact that the Mass Effect series as a whole is brilliant. It doesn't change the fact that ME1 and 2 are brilliant as is 99% of 3.

99% of Mass Effect 3 is brilliant? Hmm.

• Bug preventing players from importing Shepard's face.
• Horendously dummed down mission tracking system that lacks the simple details that were present in ME1 and ME2
• Bug that doesn't incorporate "Lair of the Shadow Broker" DLC which makes Liara almost seem brain dead.
• Bug that breaks the Kasumi Goto quest.
• Weaker visuals where characters teleport, won't stop moving, and are able to turn their heads almost 180º.
• Femshep having two ME2 romances not work out, where maleshep can have EVERY love interest work out with an extra additional love interest in the form of bi-Kaiden. No Bi-Ashley for Femshep.
• An anti-climatic meeting with Harbinger that could have been substituted with just a plain Reaper.
• Weak inclusion of ME2 characters like Morrinth for being nothing but a regular Banshee with just a name change.
• The relevance of the Collector Base being destroyed only amounting to 10 measly war effort points.
• Tali's photoshopped photo that spells and defines CHEAP.
• Repeated moments from previous games like choosing to spare the Rachni Queen, racing towards a portal to the Citadel while under fire, and getting TIM to kill himself while indoctrinated.
• All the war efforts being mostly about numbers and not about in-game pay offs.
• The Citadel being taken for two reasons. One, it shows that the Reapers were capable of taking it at any time, and two, it renders everyone you fought to save on the Citadel completely meaningless since they're now all dead.
• DLC content (Like Jarvis as a squadmate) being present in the game even though we were told officially that the DLC was done by a different branch AFTER the game was completed and certified.
• The inclusion of Jessica Chobot.