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[sadako]

111987 wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...

111987 wrote...

The problem people have is that most people weren't presented with a choice they liked.

Being asked to pick a colour for the same result itsn't that cool a choice.

You're supposed to consider the implications of what each 'color' does. The fate of the galaxy afterwards is drastically altered based on what you choose.

Explosions that can be seen from a galactic level isn't damaging. Everyone came out jsut fine with that, since apparently those kinds of explosions aren't 'damaging', even though they were powerful enough to blow a mass relay (HUGE size) i might add, they weren't damaging to the surrounding enviroment at all.

Nah, that's impossible. The entire story was just made up by Grandpa Bioware.

Satisfying ending. Really.

[jimbyjimb]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Neuthung wrote...

Let's be honest, you're either trying to troll or haven't given sufficient time into reading the grievances of others.

The grievances of others is mostly just a bunch of childish whining because for some reason people think they know better then the actual makers of the game.

Here's a tip: They do not.

So why would we, who like the ending, give a rats  -expletive deleted- about your grievances when we whole heartedly disagree with you?

Great Soren, another post we can completely disregard due to your statements that nobody should care enough to be on the forum posting. Hypocrite.

Stop posting and follow your own expressed logic, or maybe do something useful like thousands of fans have and go donate to a worthy cause in the name of repairing a flawed product. Or wait with me and the others for BioWare to make a statement. Either way, you're certainly doing absolutely as much as you can to infect the population rather than ice the wound, aren't you?

[PGR94]

Icinix wrote...

PGR94 wrote...

The ending's not that bad, really. It wasn't quite what any of us expected but was it that bad? Does it actually change your view of Mass Effect or Bioware? Problem is, no matter what the ending is, people will complain. We all had our different ideas about how the trilogy would end and this is the way Bioware chose to end it. And remember they're the ones who created this amazing franchise in the first place. They can end it how they want. And at least they chose to end it memorably! 

When it comes down to it, Mass Effect is about the characters and events you experience throughout the story. It's the journey, not the destination that matters. And no one here can deny that the trilogy of Mass Effect is one of the greatest gaming experiences in recent years. In decades, even.

Bioware, you gave us an amazing gaming series! You end it however you want! 

Lets be honest...

The ending is that bad, really. It wasn't connected to any logic or lore, and it was that bad. It does change my view of Mass Effect and BioWare. Problem is, no matter what ending you choose, its all the same. We all had our idea the ending would be sensical and in the themes of the trilogy and this is the way BioWare chose to throw the ending off the cliff. And remember they're the ones who created this amazing franchise in the first place, so it doesn't make sense they ended it this way. Yes they chose to end it memorably allright.

When it comes down to it, Mass Effect is about the characters and events you experience which are promptly left unknown and nullifies your choices. The journey is just as important as the destination. And no one here can deny that the trilogy of Mass Effect is one of the greatest gaming experiences in recent years.

BioWare, you gave us an amazing gaming series! You end it the way it deserves to be ended!

Also: On the whole journey vs destination. BioWare was very frustrated by the number of people who didn't finsih DAO and indeed they are always monitoring how many people complete their games. DA2 was designed with the intention of getting a high completion rate. Which would see to indicate their desing philosophy runs counter to their view that the Journey is greater than the destination.

I see what you did there.

[Rip504]

111987 wrote...

The problem people have is that most people weren't presented with a choice they liked.

IMO this is a common misconception.
I want a choice that makes sense,is well explained,and connects all 3 games during the finale.
If I like it or not.
Not an ending that leaves questions throughout all 3 titles and destroys the entire Mass Effect concept.
How can "Mass Effect" be Mass effect without "Mass Relays"? It's no longer the Mass Effect universe.

The civilizations of the galaxy called it...

MASS EFFECT

Well not anymore. Are we gonna have a title change? Or do you really feel as if they did not destroy the ME universe?
And if you do not,can you explain why you do not? Because Bioware left me in the dark. The fate of worlds down to the last random individual you have helped, are all left unexplained. Did Earth survive? If so how? What happen to all of the fleets overhead? I mean they show us some old guy 10,000 years in the future. Why didn't they explain the events and state of galaxy after the war? Is that man standing there without interstellar space flight? Or can they now reach other galaxies again? Why didn't the Krogan over populate Earth? How did the Turians and Quarians survive? What is the state of Rannoch with Quarians and advance Geth working together? Or simply not.
Etc,and countless questions,left by the ending. Not even mentioning the ones left during the ending.

Bioware didn't have the answers,and that is why we do not.(IMO)

[111987]

Tookii wrote...

True, they are made by Bioware. But as i said, the previous games mastered it better, since it gave us alot more outcomes and outcomes wich actualy made some sense. Theese dont, Why would the reapers WANT shepard to destroy/control them? After the first 2 games, they CLEARLY state that they are here to end all organic life. And as i stated before, why would they make the citadel their own worst enemy?`( by that i mean 3 different ways to end their regime ). Inn the end, it does not matter what you pick, everything goes to hell. Earth cant populate the entire Fleet you have assembeled. Thats just a fact, and why did Joker leave Shepard behind? NOTHING. MAKES....SENSE

The Catalyst doesn't like the Destroy and Control endings; he argues against them.

The Citadel only amplifies the effects of the Crucible, as explained by the Prothean VI on Cronos Station.

Most of the fleet is probably destroyed anyways. Also, the Codex talks about how the Reapers mainly targeted industrial centers. The agricultural sectors likely aren't too bad. Yes there's going to be a lot of deaths, but it sure beats all out extinction by the hands of the Reapers.

As for Joker; it's unexplained. Interpret it how you wish.

[Flashlegend]

The ending is objectively bad OP. You would realize this if you actually took the time to read what people are saying.

[111987]

Rip504 wrote...

111987 wrote...

The problem people have is that most people weren't presented with a choice they liked.

IMO this is a common misconception.
I want a choice that makes sense,is well explained,and connects all 3 games during the finale.
If I like it or not.
Not an ending that leaves questions throughout all 3 titles and destroys the entire Mass Effect concept.
How can "Mass Effect" be Mass effect without "Mass Relays"? It's no longer the Mass Effect universe.

The civilizations of the galaxy called it...

MASS EFFECT

Well not anymore. Are we gonna have a title change? Or do you really feel as if they did not destroy the ME universe?
And if you do not,can you explain why you do not? Because Bioware left me in the dark. The fate of worlds down to the last random individual you have helped, are all left unexplained. Did Earth survive? If so how? What happen to all of the fleets overhead? I mean they show us some old guy 10,000 years in the future. Why didn't they explain the events and state of galaxy after the war? Is that man standing there without interstellar space flight? Or can they now reach other galaxies again? Why didn't the Krogan over populate Earth? How did the Turians and Quarians survive? What is the state of Rannoch with Quarians and advance Geth working together? Or simply not.
Etc,and countless questions,left by the ending. Not even mentioning the ones left during the ending.

Bioware didn't have the answers,and that is why we do not.(IMO)

Mass Effect technology still exists...

What happens after the ending is open to interpretation; that is the point. I'm not saying it's good or bad, but don't expect me to give you the answers. Anything I say would just be my own interpretation.

[Emberwake]

Rip504 wrote...

111987 wrote...

The problem people have is that most people weren't presented with a choice they liked.

IMO this is a common misconception.
I want a choice that makes sense,is well explained,and connects all 3 games during the finale.

THIS. I don't want a fairytale ending, I dont want the ending to necessarily fit my preconceived notions. I just want an ending that isn't dependant on deus ex machina, is reasonably consistant with the rest of the internal logic of the series, that has some connection to the events and choices of the series, and that provides some measure of closure. A personal confrontation between the protagonist and the antagonist would have been nice as well.

Hold the line.

[111987]

Lochias WH wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

111987 wrote...

The problem people have is that most people weren't presented with a choice they liked.

IMO this is a common misconception.
I want a choice that makes sense,is well explained,and connects all 3 games during the finale.

THIS. I don't want a fairytale ending, I dont want the ending to necessarily fit my preconceived notions. I just want an ending that isn't dependant on deus ex machina

Than you should have stopped playing ME3 as soon as you talked to Liara on Mars.

[WhiteVV1ings]

Carlthestrange wrote...

[Rip504]

111987 wrote...

What happens after the ending is open to interpretation; that is the point. I'm not saying it's good or bad, but don't expect me to give you the answers. Anything I say would just be my own interpretation.

Mass Effect tech does exist,So we can now rebuild the relays and follow the same path... Making ME3's end a little more pointless. ( Agreed interpretation not answers.) We wanted answers. Explanations and closure to all. Not just the 3 choices. Yes a lot of fans would have enjoyed a "happy ending" & why not? Is 1 alternate ending really so bad to have? It Doesn't have to be your ending,hence the choice.
I do understand that is is now left to one's interpretation. Which also means they have left us with many unanswered questions. An ending to a trilogy and "your" Shepard's story should do much more then what It did.

My problem isn't really with the whole 3 color choice ending.(Although I do feel meh about it)
It is that they left more questions then answers during and after the ending of ME3.
IMO the answers and endings we got, are weak at best. We all have the right to our own opinion. Mine is based on ME3 as a whole. The endings just happen to be the biggest unsolved mystery of our time.

Modifié par Rip504, 18 mars 2012 - 09:42 .

[111987]

Rip504 wrote...

111987 wrote...

What happens after the ending is open to interpretation; that is the point. I'm not saying it's good or bad, but don't expect me to give you the answers. Anything I say would just be my own interpretation.

Mass Effect tech does exist,So we can now rebuild the relays and follow the same path... Making ME3's end a little more pointless.

It's different this time though, because of the absence of the Reapers.

[JamesYHT]

this world is amazing....

[Rip504]

111987 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

111987 wrote...

What happens after the ending is open to interpretation; that is the point. I'm not saying it's good or bad, but don't expect me to give you the answers. Anything I say would just be my own interpretation.

Mass Effect tech does exist,So we can now rebuild the relays and follow the same path... Making ME3's end a little more pointless.

It's different this time though, because of the absence of the Reapers.

I chose control,and your interpretation and mine now leave us with colliding theories and questions. Another failure of ME3's ending.

[spartan5127]

"Does it actually change your view of Mass Effect or Bioware?"

A million times yes.

I'm a little tired of these threads because you just have to go one level deep in research to find pages upon pages of analysis on why these endings failed from a literary and thematic standpoint. You can get high level analysis, you can get detailed low level analysis.

Although I do appreciate these threads because it keeps the fire burning.

Modifié par spartan5127, 18 mars 2012 - 09:48 .

[111987]

Rip504 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

111987 wrote...

What happens after the ending is open to interpretation; that is the point. I'm not saying it's good or bad, but don't expect me to give you the answers. Anything I say would just be my own interpretation.

Mass Effect tech does exist,So we can now rebuild the relays and follow the same path... Making ME3's end a little more pointless.

It's different this time though, because of the absence of the Reapers.

I chose control,and your interpretation and mine now leave us with colliding theories and questions. Another failure of ME3's ending.

No, they aren't colliding theories because your unanswered questions are different from my unanswered questions.

Anyways like I said, it's up to interpretation.

[GiBBsBoT05]

PGR94 wrote...

The ending's not that bad, really. It wasn't quite what any of us expected but was it that bad? Does it actually change your view of Mass Effect or Bioware? Problem is, no matter what the ending is, people will complain. We all had our different ideas about how the trilogy would end and this is the way Bioware chose to end it. And remember they're the ones who created this amazing franchise in the first place. They can end it how they want. And at least they chose to end it memorably! 

When it comes down to it, Mass Effect is about the characters and events you experience throughout the story. It's the journey, not the destination that matters. And no one here can deny that the trilogy of Mass Effect is one of the greatest gaming experiences in recent years. In decades, even.

Bioware, you gave us an amazing gaming series! You end it however you want! 

-When I die, I will cover myself in bird seed and let pigeons eat me in the middle of centeral park. It won't make sense, but at least it will be memorable.

-Destination totally matters. This is not a road trip to the house of wax. In a story, the resolution is just as important as the intro and climax.

-No one denies the trilogy was great. That is actually one of the things that makes the end so horrible. It was not worthy of this great trilogy.

[Rip504]

111987 wrote...

Anyways like I said, it's up to interpretation.

And that is the real problem many of us are having with the end of ME3.

Modifié par Rip504, 18 mars 2012 - 09:55 .

[J-Reyno]

PGR94 wrote...

It's the journey, not the destination that matters. 

Why do people always try to tell me what matters to me?  Unless someone starts working my shift, then I'll be the one to determine that.

[HenrySnow]

sadako wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...


agreed!

i enjoyed the endings because it makes me as a player think ok what would i personally do given the 3 choices

do i want to be a reaper

do i want to be the final stage of evolution

or do i want to kill the reapers


i think thats what the devs intened the endings to be like because it is more charachter driven if you think about it
there not terrible like people make it out to be

Nope, you got it wrong. It's all a story told by grandfather Stargazer to his grandchild.
In other words. It all never happened.

:lol:

And sadly that makes more sense then everything else. 

[Therefore_I_Am]

Carlthestrange wrote...

[Unit-Alpha]

Carlthestrange wrote...

[Huyna]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

lol at this point yeah, I would laugh because well people just don't appreciate the rest of the game they just fixate on the ending.

It's hard to enjoy a delicious cake, after you found out that it is poisoned.

Though, cake is a lie.

Modifié par Huyna, 18 mars 2012 - 10:20 .

[hawat333]

I like the endings.
It's much more mature than it was expected.
I like that they gave us something like this instead of that hollywood cliché.
I've been called names for actually liking the endings.
And I don't care.
I still do like them.