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Sorry, this guy and all the people that think these are things that make the ending "bad" are just plain below the level of thought required to comprehend the ending.

[b]HOW can you point out every single thing that is inconsistent and plot holey about the ending in the same breath as pointing out the greatness of the entire rest of the game, and not stop and think..."hey...wait....made by the same people....weird....I don't think everyone on the dev team had a sudden anurism and lost all logical capacity for storytelling...perhaps...perhaps theres something else here, maybe I should read deeper into what's going on."


Or people just prefer to think the ending was a hallucination than believe Bioware could drop the ball so badly at the last minute. And  even if Indoctrination Theory is totally intentional it still creates an ending with absolutely no closure.

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Andy379 wrote...

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Angry Joe has lost what little respect I had for him. Dude's a tool.


The man handled it in a calm and anayalitical way. If that makes him a tool then I'd hate ot hear what you'd consider anyone else who hated the endings.


Illusive man handled things calm and analyticaly too. He's still tool in the end.


So, the problem is not what he said, it's just that you don't like him?  Ok moving on then.

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Gunslinger01101 wrote...

Balmung31 wrote...

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Sorry, this guy and all the people that think these are things that make the ending "bad" are just plain below the level of thought required to comprehend the ending.

HOW can you point out every single thing that is inconsistent and plot holey about the ending in the same breath as pointing out the greatness of the entire rest of the game, and not stop and think..."hey...wait....made by the same people....weird....I don't think everyone on the dev team had a sudden anurism and lost all logical capacity for storytelling...perhaps...perhaps theres something else here, maybe I should read deeper into what's going on."

The thing is SO PATENTLY not reality, it has the EXACT flavor of EVERY OTHER dream sequence we have had, slow moving, gun of infinite ammo, things happening for no reason...and the dreams you have had before basically tell you 'child = fire; child + you = still fire; fire = bad;" so CHOOSE THE THING THE CHILD PORTRAYS AS THE WORST OPTION! Gah, its like this whole forum is suddenly bereft of the capacity for analytical thought.


Oh right.  Conspiracy theories.  Forgot about those. :o

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I found a few of his uses of the term "plot hole" to be inappropriate, but I otherwise agree completely.

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best explanation by far

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Thanks Joe. Your review was spot on and this explains my problems with the ending perfectly.

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well done angry joe, don't know who you are, but well done...

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Gunslinger01101 wrote...

Balmung31 wrote...

EDIT: It is now up.


Sorry, this guy and all the people that think these are things that make the ending "bad" are just plain below the level of thought required to comprehend the ending.

HOW can you point out every single thing that is inconsistent and plot holey about the ending in the same breath as pointing out the greatness of the entire rest of the game, and not stop and think..."hey...wait....made by the same people....weird....I don't think everyone on the dev team had a sudden anurism and lost all logical capacity for storytelling...perhaps...perhaps theres something else here, maybe I should read deeper into what's going on."

The thing is SO PATENTLY not reality, it has the EXACT flavor of EVERY OTHER dream sequence we have had, slow moving, gun of infinite ammo, things happening for no reason...and the dreams you have had before basically tell you 'child = fire; child + you = still fire; fire = bad;" so CHOOSE THE THING THE CHILD PORTRAYS AS THE WORST OPTION! Gah, its like this whole forum is suddenly bereft of the capacity for analytical thought.


It always amazes me how the hipster quasi-intellectuals' only argument in favor of Bioware's ending is that we unwashed peons are too stupid to understand the complexities of such a gripping and genius narrative.

Well, buddy, f*ck you, too. 

So far, from reading your self-satisfied drivel, you take contention with the fact that people take offense to the ending despite the fact that we liked 90% of the game. You say that since Bioware wrote such a great game, logically the ending SHOULD be great too, therego we are all just imagining how awful the ending is. Such an argument holds so little logic that one has to find a molecular scale powerful enough to measure how little logic there is in it. Frankly, you're just espousing bullsh*t, bullsh*t so thick and voluminous that you need a bulldozer to push it out of your mouth whenever you spout it.

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Andy379 wrote...

Shaoken wrote...

Andy379 wrote...

Angry Joe has lost what little respect I had for him. Dude's a tool.


The man handled it in a calm and anayalitical way. If that makes him a tool then I'd hate ot hear what you'd consider anyone else who hated the endings.


Illusive man handled things calm and analyticaly too. He's still tool in the end.


Illusive Man was responsible for the death and torture of hundreds if not thousands of people. Angry Joe had an opinion different to yours. False Equivilance is False and illogical.

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Anyone who sincerely believes THAT was the actual ending of ME3, WOULD thank the media for raging like they have been. Everyone propping up all this negativity about the "end" of ME3 needs to give their head a shake. No company in their right minds would tear down a franchise like you all assume Bioware has done in the last 15 minutes of their latest addition to the series. There's obviously questions that deserve answers, and yet just about every narrow-minded person taking this cut scene at face value is assuming the ME3 franchise is over, and that's the last they'll ever hear from their beloved Shepard & company. How would a company capitalize on their franchise by doing something like that to their endgame sequence? Clearly it was not the end, and there is more to come. Nothing makes sense otherwise, and I sincerely feel sorry for Bioware in regards to the amount of heckling and negativity they've received from their "fans" who refuse to be patient and wait for explanations.

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Helion Tide wrote...

Anyone who sincerely believes THAT was the actual ending of ME3, WOULD thank the media for raging like they have been. Everyone propping up all this negativity about the "end" of ME3 needs to give their head a shake. No company in their right minds would tear down a franchise like you all assume Bioware has done in the last 15 minutes of their latest addition to the series. There's obviously questions that deserve answers, and yet just about every narrow-minded person taking this cut scene at face value is assuming the ME3 franchise is over, and that's the last they'll ever hear from their beloved Shepard & company. How would a company capitalize on their franchise by doing something like that to their endgame sequence? Clearly it was not the end, and there is more to come. Nothing makes sense otherwise, and I sincerely feel sorry for Bioware in regards to the amount of heckling and negativity they've received from their "fans" who refuse to be patient and wait for explanations.


Denial isnt just a river in Egypt bro. Theres lots of behind the scenes interviews where they quote Deus Ex and The Matrix as being inspirations, and wanted lots of speculation from everybody. They clearly wanted the endings to not answer questions so people would speculate.

Its backfired hard.

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Please watch it Bioware ;)


This.

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pretty much spot on for why I didn't like the ending :( I would have loved the game to have ended with Shepard bleeding out and the catalyst failing to fire... That would have been an infinitely better ending.

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Reidbynature wrote...

Gunslinger01101 wrote...

Balmung31 wrote...

EDIT: It is now up.


Sorry, this guy and all the people that think these are things that make the ending "bad" are just plain below the level of thought required to comprehend the ending.

HOW can you point out every single thing that is inconsistent and plot holey about the ending in the same breath as pointing out the greatness of the entire rest of the game, and not stop and think..."hey...wait....made by the same people....weird....I don't think everyone on the dev team had a sudden anurism and lost all logical capacity for storytelling...perhaps...perhaps theres something else here, maybe I should read deeper into what's going on."

The thing is SO PATENTLY not reality, it has the EXACT flavor of EVERY OTHER dream sequence we have had, slow moving, gun of infinite ammo, things happening for no reason...and the dreams you have had before basically tell you 'child = fire; child + you = still fire; fire = bad;" so CHOOSE THE THING THE CHILD PORTRAYS AS THE WORST OPTION! Gah, its like this whole forum is suddenly bereft of the capacity for analytical thought.


Oh right.  Conspiracy theories.  Forgot about those. :o


Ah, yes, the "terrible endings." The supposed point of the game where everything is disregarded in favor for plotholes and circular logic. We've dismissed those claims.

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Soldatto Rosso wrote...

Gunslinger01101 wrote...

Balmung31 wrote...

EDIT: It is now up.


Sorry, this guy and all the people that think these are things that make the ending "bad" are just plain below the level of thought required to comprehend the ending.

HOW can you point out every single thing that is inconsistent and plot holey about the ending in the same breath as pointing out the greatness of the entire rest of the game, and not stop and think..."hey...wait....made by the same people....weird....I don't think everyone on the dev team had a sudden anurism and lost all logical capacity for storytelling...perhaps...perhaps theres something else here, maybe I should read deeper into what's going on."

The thing is SO PATENTLY not reality, it has the EXACT flavor of EVERY OTHER dream sequence we have had, slow moving, gun of infinite ammo, things happening for no reason...and the dreams you have had before basically tell you 'child = fire; child + you = still fire; fire = bad;" so CHOOSE THE THING THE CHILD PORTRAYS AS THE WORST OPTION! Gah, its like this whole forum is suddenly bereft of the capacity for analytical thought.


It always amazes me how the hipster quasi-intellectuals' only argument in favor of Bioware's ending is that we unwashed peons are too stupid to understand the complexities of such a gripping and genius narrative.

Well, buddy, f*ck you, too. 

So far, from reading your self-satisfied drivel, you take contention with the fact that people take offense to the ending despite the fact that we liked 90% of the game. You say that since Bioware wrote such a great game, logically the ending SHOULD be great too, therego we are all just imagining how awful the ending is. Such an argument holds so little logic that one has to find a molecular scale powerful enough to measure how little logic there is in it. Frankly, you're just espousing bullsh*t, bullsh*t so thick and voluminous that you need a bulldozer to push it out of your mouth whenever you spout it.


Woah, easy there "buddy" -- I think it's time for someone to have their milk and cookies and take a nap.  This is not the place for hissy fits.

On a more serious note, anyone who is looking at the inconsistencies in the endgame sequence with any logic whatsoever, naturally come to the conclusion that something is amiss.  Clearly.  Taking the end sequence at face value results in thousands of people raging and sporting "Retake Mass Effect" tags everywhere they go because they feel they've been betrayed as a consumer.  Sure.  I can relate to that, and I appreciate that.  But on the other hand, any company in its right state of mind would not end their most popular franchise in such a way that makes it almost impossible to further capitalize on it.  Occam's razor surely could be applied here in stating that Bioware just got lazy, rewrote the ending as half-arsed as they could, and voila!  Enter terrible ending to arguably the best franchise they've ever worked on.  This is simply not the case.

If you sincerely believe that was the ending of the Mass Effect franchise, or Shepard's story.. I feel sorry for you.  Far too much has been left on a cliffhanger to assume anything is concrete or set in stone.

Just be patient.

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I don't know who you are AngryJoe, but I think I fell in love with you.

Now if we can just get Bioware to watch this.........

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Helion Tide wrote...

Soldatto Rosso wrote...

Gunslinger01101 wrote...

Balmung31 wrote...

EDIT: It is now up.


Sorry, this guy and all the people that think these are things that make the ending "bad" are just plain below the level of thought required to comprehend the ending.

HOW can you point out every single thing that is inconsistent and plot holey about the ending in the same breath as pointing out the greatness of the entire rest of the game, and not stop and think..."hey...wait....made by the same people....weird....I don't think everyone on the dev team had a sudden anurism and lost all logical capacity for storytelling...perhaps...perhaps theres something else here, maybe I should read deeper into what's going on."

The thing is SO PATENTLY not reality, it has the EXACT flavor of EVERY OTHER dream sequence we have had, slow moving, gun of infinite ammo, things happening for no reason...and the dreams you have had before basically tell you 'child = fire; child + you = still fire; fire = bad;" so CHOOSE THE THING THE CHILD PORTRAYS AS THE WORST OPTION! Gah, its like this whole forum is suddenly bereft of the capacity for analytical thought.


It always amazes me how the hipster quasi-intellectuals' only argument in favor of Bioware's ending is that we unwashed peons are too stupid to understand the complexities of such a gripping and genius narrative.

Well, buddy, f*ck you, too. 

So far, from reading your self-satisfied drivel, you take contention with the fact that people take offense to the ending despite the fact that we liked 90% of the game. You say that since Bioware wrote such a great game, logically the ending SHOULD be great too, therego we are all just imagining how awful the ending is. Such an argument holds so little logic that one has to find a molecular scale powerful enough to measure how little logic there is in it. Frankly, you're just espousing bullsh*t, bullsh*t so thick and voluminous that you need a bulldozer to push it out of your mouth whenever you spout it.


Woah, easy there "buddy" -- I think it's time for someone to have their milk and cookies and take a nap.  This is not the place for hissy fits.

On a more serious note, anyone who is looking at the inconsistencies in the endgame sequence with any logic whatsoever, naturally come to the conclusion that something is amiss.  Clearly.  Taking the end sequence at face value results in thousands of people raging and sporting "Retake Mass Effect" tags everywhere they go because they feel they've been betrayed as a consumer.  Sure.  I can relate to that, and I appreciate that.  But on the other hand, any company in its right state of mind would not end their most popular franchise in such a way that makes it almost impossible to further capitalize on it.  Occam's razor surely could be applied here in stating that Bioware just got lazy, rewrote the ending as half-arsed as they could, and voila!  Enter terrible ending to arguably the best franchise they've ever worked on.  This is simply not the case.

If you sincerely believe that was the ending of the Mass Effect franchise, or Shepard's story.. I feel sorry for you.  Far too much has been left on a cliffhanger to assume anything is concrete or set in stone.

Just be patient.


Hey, just reciprocating. If someone acts like an ass, I will ass him right back. 

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That was actually a really good video. Normally, I ignore Angry Joe because I think his schtick detracts from the things he's talking about. That is the least schticky I've ever seen him. Calm (mostly), concise, and well thought out. Bioware, please watch this video.

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Wow! This is EXACTLY what Bioware needs to see. SPOT. ON.

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That video is full of win!

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Helion Tide wrote...

Soldatto Rosso wrote...

Gunslinger01101 wrote...

Balmung31 wrote...

EDIT: It is now up.


Sorry, this guy and all the people that think these are things that make the ending "bad" are just plain below the level of thought required to comprehend the ending.

HOW can you point out every single thing that is inconsistent and plot holey about the ending in the same breath as pointing out the greatness of the entire rest of the game, and not stop and think..."hey...wait....made by the same people....weird....I don't think everyone on the dev team had a sudden anurism and lost all logical capacity for storytelling...perhaps...perhaps theres something else here, maybe I should read deeper into what's going on."

The thing is SO PATENTLY not reality, it has the EXACT flavor of EVERY OTHER dream sequence we have had, slow moving, gun of infinite ammo, things happening for no reason...and the dreams you have had before basically tell you 'child = fire; child + you = still fire; fire = bad;" so CHOOSE THE THING THE CHILD PORTRAYS AS THE WORST OPTION! Gah, its like this whole forum is suddenly bereft of the capacity for analytical thought.


It always amazes me how the hipster quasi-intellectuals' only argument in favor of Bioware's ending is that we unwashed peons are too stupid to understand the complexities of such a gripping and genius narrative.

Well, buddy, f*ck you, too. 

So far, from reading your self-satisfied drivel, you take contention with the fact that people take offense to the ending despite the fact that we liked 90% of the game. You say that since Bioware wrote such a great game, logically the ending SHOULD be great too, therego we are all just imagining how awful the ending is. Such an argument holds so little logic that one has to find a molecular scale powerful enough to measure how little logic there is in it. Frankly, you're just espousing bullsh*t, bullsh*t so thick and voluminous that you need a bulldozer to push it out of your mouth whenever you spout it.


Woah, easy there "buddy" -- I think it's time for someone to have their milk and cookies and take a nap.  This is not the place for hissy fits.

On a more serious note, anyone who is looking at the inconsistencies in the endgame sequence with any logic whatsoever, naturally come to the conclusion that something is amiss.  Clearly.  Taking the end sequence at face value results in thousands of people raging and sporting "Retake Mass Effect" tags everywhere they go because they feel they've been betrayed as a consumer.  Sure.  I can relate to that, and I appreciate that.  But on the other hand, any company in its right state of mind would not end their most popular franchise in such a way that makes it almost impossible to further capitalize on it.  Occam's razor surely could be applied here in stating that Bioware just got lazy, rewrote the ending as half-arsed as they could, and voila!  Enter terrible ending to arguably the best franchise they've ever worked on.  This is simply not the case.

If you sincerely believe that was the ending of the Mass Effect franchise, or Shepard's story.. I feel sorry for you.  Far too much has been left on a cliffhanger to assume anything is concrete or set in stone.

Just be patient.



Oh really? 

We have that bloody good example of Dragon Age Origin -> Dragon Age II. Thank you very much.

The degeneration couldn't have been clearer, and it just happened in bigger scale in ME3 this time.

Modifié par Lunaluxlepus, 19 mars 2012 - 01:35 .


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That really summerized why ME3 ending sucks!

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can't belive just how spot on this guy got it...

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SandTrout wrote...

It's hilarious to me that reviewers not dependent on publisher/developer advertising are consistently tearing apart the ending.


Why would those dependent on popularity and then pandering to that be better?

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too bad he cant even spell Liara...