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[Andur4]

Not a whole lot that hasn't been said before, still, I found it entertaining.

[Helion Tide]

SoraStrife wrote...

Denial isnt just a river in Egypt bro. Theres lots of behind the scenes interviews where they quote Deus Ex and The Matrix as being inspirations, and wanted lots of speculation from everybody. They clearly wanted the endings to not answer questions so people would speculate.

Its backfired hard.

It has only backfired because people are so quick to assume their game is over.  If the indoc or hallucination theories come to fruition, Bioware will set an example to the rest of the game development community just how narrow-minded and barbaric the populous can be.  I feel incredibly sorry for Bioware right now, for trying to do something out of the ordinary by providing the fans with an unknown, or a cliffhanger on purpose, only to have it thrown in their face because no one was able to watch Liara give birth to some blue babies right away, or other such premature nonsense.

How do you suspect Bioware is going to capitalize any further on their Mass Effect title by ending their trilogy like that?  It makes zero sense on a development standpoint, and it makes even less sense on an economic standpoint.

There IS more to come, whether you want to believe it or not.

[HITMAN629]

rvgifford wrote...

kenomorph wrote...

Please watch it Bioware

This.

He sent the video to them through twitter, they watched his review so hopefully they will watch this

[Armass81]

Helion Tide wrote...

SoraStrife wrote...

Denial isnt just a river in Egypt bro. Theres lots of behind the scenes interviews where they quote Deus Ex and The Matrix as being inspirations, and wanted lots of speculation from everybody. They clearly wanted the endings to not answer questions so people would speculate.

Its backfired hard.

It has only backfired because people are so quick to assume their game is over.  If the indoc or hallucination theories come to fruition, Bioware will set an example to the rest of the game development community just how narrow-minded and barbaric the populous can be.  I feel incredibly sorry for Bioware right now, for trying to do something out of the ordinary by providing the fans with an unknown, or a cliffhanger on purpose, only to have it thrown in their face because no one was able to watch Liara give birth to some blue babies right away, or other such premature nonsense.

How do you suspect Bioware is going to capitalize any further on their Mass Effect title by ending their trilogy like that?  It makes zero sense on a development standpoint, and it makes even less sense on an economic standpoint.

There IS more to come, whether you want to believe it or not.

For Biowares and the fans sake I hope you are right.

Modifié par Armass81, 19 mars 2012 - 01:37 .

[Fuzrum77]

Soldatto Rosso wrote...

Gunslinger01101 wrote...

Balmung31 wrote...

EDIT: It is now up.

Sorry, this guy and all the people that think these are things that make the ending "bad" are just plain below the level of thought required to comprehend the ending.

HOW can you point out every single thing that is inconsistent and plot holey about the ending in the same breath as pointing out the greatness of the entire rest of the game, and not stop and think..."hey...wait....made by the same people....weird....I don't think everyone on the dev team had a sudden anurism and lost all logical capacity for storytelling...perhaps...perhaps theres something else here, maybe I should read deeper into what's going on."

The thing is SO PATENTLY not reality, it has the EXACT flavor of EVERY OTHER dream sequence we have had, slow moving, gun of infinite ammo, things happening for no reason...and the dreams you have had before basically tell you 'child = fire; child + you = still fire; fire = bad;" so CHOOSE THE THING THE CHILD PORTRAYS AS THE WORST OPTION! Gah, its like this whole forum is suddenly bereft of the capacity for analytical thought.

It always amazes me how the hipster quasi-intellectuals' only argument in favor of Bioware's ending is that we unwashed peons are too stupid to understand the complexities of such a gripping and genius narrative.

Well, buddy, f*ck you, too. 

So far, from reading your self-satisfied drivel, you take contention with the fact that people take offense to the ending despite the fact that we liked 90% of the game. You say that since Bioware wrote such a great game, logically the ending SHOULD be great too, therego we are all just imagining how awful the ending is. Such an argument holds so little logic that one has to find a molecular scale powerful enough to measure how little logic there is in it. Frankly, you're just espousing bullsh*t, bullsh*t so thick and voluminous that you need a bulldozer to push it out of your mouth whenever you spout it.

While your response is a -touch- harsh, I totally agree with you.

[lasertank]

I want to bump this 100 times so that Bioware can see see this clip.

[The Angry One]

Gunslinger01101 wrote...

Balmung31 wrote...

EDIT: It is now up.

Sorry, this guy and all the people that think these are things that make the ending "bad" are just plain below the level of thought required to comprehend the ending.

HOW can you point out every single thing that is inconsistent and plot holey about the ending in the same breath as pointing out the greatness of the entire rest of the game, and not stop and think..."hey...wait....made by the same people....weird....I don't think everyone on the dev team had a sudden anurism and lost all logical capacity for storytelling...perhaps...perhaps theres something else here, maybe I should read deeper into what's going on."

The thing is SO PATENTLY not reality, it has the EXACT flavor of EVERY OTHER dream sequence we have had, slow moving, gun of infinite ammo, things happening for no reason...and the dreams you have had before basically tell you 'child = fire; child + you = still fire; fire = bad;" so CHOOSE THE THING THE CHILD PORTRAYS AS THE WORST OPTION! Gah, its like this whole forum is suddenly bereft of the capacity for analytical thought.

Look, I get that you like the indoctrination theory and it's fun to discuss but unless we get another ending, *this* is the actual, factual ending we have and we have to judge it based on that.
We can't take on faith that BioWare has a super secret ending planned or super secret subltle intentions (because ending the game on a hallucination is also a betrayal of, well, everything in Mass Effect).

[Madecologist]

afflictionwisp wrote...

That was actually a really good video. Normally, I ignore Angry Joe because I think his schtick detracts from the things he's talking about. That is the least schticky I've ever seen him. Calm (mostly), concise, and well thought out. Bioware, please watch this video.

Heh.. calm mostly. I actually think he did drop his net persona for the most part and was calm. The bit of fustration he expressed was probably him the person IRL actually getting riled back up.

[RedSarge2]

Once again Angry Joe is the "HERO OF THE PEOPLE"

Thanks Joe! I'm going to go think about ME3 now, figure out if I want to just get rid of the whole damn CE and never bother with ME3 again.

*edit: still getting used to typing with injured thumb*

Modifié par RedSarge2, 19 mars 2012 - 01:42 .

[VerdantSF]

Bioware... how could you do this?

[Shaoken]

Helion Tide wrote...

SoraStrife wrote...

Denial isnt just a river in Egypt bro. Theres lots of behind the scenes interviews where they quote Deus Ex and The Matrix as being inspirations, and wanted lots of speculation from everybody. They clearly wanted the endings to not answer questions so people would speculate.

Its backfired hard.

It has only backfired because people are so quick to assume their game is over.  If the indoc or hallucination theories come to fruition, Bioware will set an example to the rest of the game development community just how narrow-minded and barbaric the populous can be.  I feel incredibly sorry for Bioware right now, for trying to do something out of the ordinary by providing the fans with an unknown, or a cliffhanger on purpose, only to have it thrown in their face because no one was able to watch Liara give birth to some blue babies right away, or other such premature nonsense.

How do you suspect Bioware is going to capitalize any further on their Mass Effect title by ending their trilogy like that?  It makes zero sense on a development standpoint, and it makes even less sense on an economic standpoint.

There IS more to come, whether you want to believe it or not.

The razor would indicate that Bioware thought this ending would be better recieved, thus earning more respect and getting more money. See you don't seem to understand how it works; it's that the answer with the fewest assumptions is usually the correct one. Your theory has a lot more assumptions than the others. Therefore, yours does not subscribe to the Razor.

Modifié par Shaoken, 19 mars 2012 - 01:42 .

[NPH11]

Helion Tide wrote...

Woah, easy there "buddy" -- I think it's time for someone to have their milk and cookies and take a nap.  This is not the place for hissy fits.

The guy he quoted had it coming. He was an ass.

Helion Tide wrote...

On a more serious note, anyone who is looking at the inconsistencies in the endgame sequence with any logic whatsoever, naturally come to the conclusion that something is amiss.  Clearly.  Taking the end sequence at face value results in thousands of people raging and sporting "Retake Mass Effect" tags everywhere they go because they feel they've been betrayed as a consumer.  Sure.  I can relate to that, and I appreciate that.  But on the other hand, any company in its right state of mind would not end their most popular franchise in such a way that makes it almost impossible to further capitalize on it. 

 

Sure they would. They already ended it by telling us to buy more DLC, they've already stated that the Mass Effect franchise will continue after the end of the Shepard trilogy. They certainly could've chosen to end it this way. The franchise isn't dead, this trilogy is.

Helion Tide wrote...

Occam's razor surely could be applied here in stating that Bioware just got lazy, rewrote the ending as half-arsed as they could, and voila!  Enter terrible ending to arguably the best franchise they've ever worked on.  This is simply not the case.

If you sincerely believe that was the ending of the Mass Effect franchise, or Shepard's story.. I feel sorry for you.  Far too much has been left on a cliffhanger to assume anything is concrete or set in stone.

 

You claim it is not the case simply because "They couldn't have screwed up that badly." The whole argument for the indoctrination ending hinges on this. Sounds more to me like a bunch of desperate people attempting to justify poor writing capping off a beloved franchise, desperately hoping that there's something more to it.

And then we get back to the traits of self-superiority and quasi-intellectualism that so many proponents of the indoctrination theory seem to have. Clearly the rest of us are to stupid to understand Bioware's genius of shipping a game with no ending at all rather than shipping it with bad endings, even though we have evidence to the contrary that they looked at sources like Deus Ex and The Matrix, hoping to make an ending that would leave lots of speculation.

What's sadder is that I'm sure Bioware is just going to piggyback on that idea, and so many people are going to go rushing back to them with arms wide open, apologizing for not seeing their intelligent design.

Modifié par NPH11, 19 mars 2012 - 01:41 .

[lasertank]

Why the heck could there not be anyone in Bioware see this coming?

I still can not believe this.

[Militarized]

Helion Tide wrote...

SoraStrife wrote...

Denial isnt just a river in Egypt bro. Theres lots of behind the scenes interviews where they quote Deus Ex and The Matrix as being inspirations, and wanted lots of speculation from everybody. They clearly wanted the endings to not answer questions so people would speculate.

Its backfired hard.

It has only backfired because people are so quick to assume their game is over.  If the indoc or hallucination theories come to fruition, Bioware will set an example to the rest of the game development community just how narrow-minded and barbaric the populous can be.  I feel incredibly sorry for Bioware right now, for trying to do something out of the ordinary by providing the fans with an unknown, or a cliffhanger on purpose, only to have it thrown in their face because no one was able to watch Liara give birth to some blue babies right away, or other such premature nonsense.

How do you suspect Bioware is going to capitalize any further on their Mass Effect title by ending their trilogy like that?  It makes zero sense on a development standpoint, and it makes even less sense on an economic standpoint.

There IS more to come, whether you want to believe it or not.

It wouldn't be a problem if they had dropped "hints" and little puzzle games to show people it wasn't the ending. People were essentially sold an incomplete game if those theories are true, is that right? 

[Helion Tide]

Shaoken wrote...
The razor would indicate that Bioware thought this ending would be better recieved, thus earning more respect and getting more money. 

No one would think an ending like that -- assuming it WAS the actual ending at all -- would be received better by the masses.  Hell, if the majority of the people playing video games realize something's off with the ending, do you sincerely believe that the DEVELOPERS of the game itself, didn't?!  Come on...

[Shaoken]

I will point out that even if the Indoctrination Theory is true, it goes against Bioware's promises that players wouldn't be forced into an ending.

[CavScout]

It's to bad he has confused "not explained" with "plot hole".

[NPH11]

lasertank wrote...

Why the heck could there not be anyone in Bioware see this coming?

I still can not believe this.

That's another reason I refuse to by into this "Indoctrination Theory". We're also assuming that Bioware intentionally put themselves in a position to drive away a large portion of their most dedicated fanbase. Why? To pull a trick on the audience? That's a terrible business strategy.

Modifié par NPH11, 19 mars 2012 - 01:48 .

[RedundantAccount]

Excellent!

[Wowlock]

Well lets get comfortable for the next 20 minutes ! It is nice to hear you are not the only one and those who have a stronger voice are actually supporting you.

[VerdantSF]

NPH11 wrote...

That's another reason I refuse to by into this "Indoctrination Theory". We're also assuming that Bioware intentionally put themselves in a position to drive away a large portion of there most dedicated fanbase. Why? To pull a trick on the audience? That's a terrible business strategy.

As much as I like the indoctrination theory, the ending is still a massive failure on Bioware's part.  

[I have to go]

This video pretty much sums up why people are discontented. Bioware should take a look at it.

[Shaoken]

Helion Tide wrote...

Shaoken wrote...
The razor would indicate that Bioware thought this ending would be better recieved, thus earning more respect and getting more money. 

No one would think an ending like that -- assuming it WAS the actual ending at all -- would be received better by the masses.  Hell, if the majority of the people playing video games realize something's off with the ending, do you sincerely believe that the DEVELOPERS of the game itself, didn't?!  Come on...

The Razzor dictates that the theory with the least amount of assumptions is the correct one. My theory is based on the assumption that Bioware shipped the complete ending with the game, as evidenced by the fact that the last two games did the same. Your theory is assuming that Bioware has decided to run counter to their own trends, that Bioware would ship a game out without an ending, that Bioware would drop little hints that most people would miss throughout the game, that Bioware was lying when they said that the game would have a conclusion to the trilogy, etc. etc.

[NPH11]

Shaoken wrote...

Helion Tide wrote...

Shaoken wrote...
The razor would indicate that Bioware thought this ending would be better recieved, thus earning more respect and getting more money. 

No one would think an ending like that -- assuming it WAS the actual ending at all -- would be received better by the masses.  Hell, if the majority of the people playing video games realize something's off with the ending, do you sincerely believe that the DEVELOPERS of the game itself, didn't?!  Come on...

The Razzor dictates that the theory with the least amount of assumptions is the correct one. My theory is based on the assumption that Bioware shipped the complete ending with the game, as evidenced by the fact that the last two games did the same. Your theory is assuming that Bioware has decided to run counter to their own trends, that Bioware would ship a game out without an ending, that Bioware would drop little hints that most people would miss throughout the game, that Bioware was lying when they said that the game would have a conclusion to the trilogy, etc. etc.

And that they were willing to play around with fan loyalty for some bizarre concept, running the risk that it would be poorly recieved and would drive away a large portion of their fanbase.

[rabidm0ng0ose]

Here is to intelligence and hope for closure. I really just want to see a happy ending :'( I keep finding myself beside myself with sadness over this.