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[RyuGuitarFreak]

Spot on. And I gotta say this is painful to watch. Man, my second favorite gaming franchise...

Joe is speaking like I would, utterly disappointed and on a sad tone. Like, really depressed with what happened to those characters.

[Midarenkov]

MonkeySeeker wrote...

Is it just me who finds this funny?

Associate producer of Mass Effect talking about a "ridiculous ending" to a video game.

Pot. Kettle.

[Browneye_Vamp84]

I have been wondering when this video would be out.

[Giant ambush beetle]

My thoughts exactly.

[android654]

This just says to me that the series is just dead. Not ended, but dead. Maybe in twenty years when no one remembers it, we'll see a remake that would be better than the original. Being honest though, few trilogies in games and movie have a satisfying end. Usually the first has a lot of heart but is a bit shaky, the second fixes all of the problems with the first and comes as close to perfect as it can be, and the third tries to be too ambitious and falls flat on it's face.

S**t happens.

[Faridle]

Spot on the marker, bullseye, 10 of 10 etc on metaphors for flawless accuracy

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Midarenkov wrote...

MonkeySeeker wrote...

Is it just me who finds this funny?

Associate producer of Mass Effect talking about a "ridiculous ending" to a video game.

Pot. Kettle.

The answers from other developers are funny too.

[Cadence of the Planes]

My least favorite part about the end is not the end itself, but the enormous amount of whining associated with it.

[KBomb]

It's like he's in my mind. Well done on his part. Well done.

[TrueNemesis]

The man speaks 100% truth!

[alex13abc]

JOE YOU FREAKIN ROCK. NUFF SAID!

[dheer]

Joe really hit it out of the park with this one. It hit on almost every point I found wrong with the ending and the cool demeanor throughout really drives it home from someone who's usually over the top.

[HanPL]

Agree with Joe 100%
He's reviews are always objectivs, one thing that hitted me is that he don't even sound angry like in the full review.
More like dissapointed/tired/frustrated or all of those things combined.

[Ianamus]

"The created will always rebel against their creators..."

"You are welcome to return to Rannoch, admiral Raan. With us"

"But we found a way to stop that from happening. To restore order for the next cycle. Without us to stop it, synthetics would destory all organics..."

"You are welcome to return to Rannoch, admiral Raan. With us" 

"We've created the cycle so that never happens. That's the solution"


That video perfectly describes eveything I hate about the endings to Mass Effect 3. From the Normandy's ridiculous joyride through space to Shepard accepting all the rubbish Starchild was spouting, every single thing that annyoed me was mentioned.

Modifié par EJ107, 18 mars 2012 - 11:09 .

[AKOdin]

Pretty good collection of reasons why the ending was unequal to the series. The "stranded" point is a bit odd (the various ships mass effect drives are a slower ftl that still functions, and the quarian liveships MAKE FOOD in space for quarian/turian needs), but the rest resonated.

[Viper Pred]

Excellent summary of my thoughts on why the endings suck. This vid should be shown to all the people calling us "whinny kids".

[wombat_stalker]

Did anyone else find the part where he licks the box very oddly erotic? I'm pretty sure that's not what he was going for....

But yes, very nicely put.

[Ianamus]

AKOdin wrote...

Pretty good collection of reasons why the ending was unequal to the series. The "stranded" point is a bit odd (the various ships mass effect drives are a slower ftl that still functions, and the quarian liveships MAKE FOOD in space for quarian/turian needs), but the rest resonated.

But this assumes that the Quarians were chosen in the Geth/Quarian conflict and that the Liveships aren't destoryed in the battle/ when the Relay explodes. 

If you picked the Geth for example, the Turians stranded at Earth might as well already be dead. They certainly wouldn't have enough food for the 100 or so year trip back to Palaven with conventionaly ftl travel. The Quarians were barely surviving after 300 years of it, and that was with the Relay system intact and a large number of planets to strip mine, not to mention Pilgrimages. 

I also doubt that theres enough fertile land left on Earth to grow food for everybody else. 

Modifié par EJ107, 18 mars 2012 - 11:18 .

[Jynthor]

EJ107 wrote...

AKOdin wrote...

Pretty good collection of reasons why the ending was unequal to the series. The "stranded" point is a bit odd (the various ships mass effect drives are a slower ftl that still functions, and the quarian liveships MAKE FOOD in space for quarian/turian needs), but the rest resonated.

But this assumes that the Quarians were chosen in the Geth/Quarian conflict and that the Liveships aren't destoryed in the battle/ when the Relay explodes. 

If you picked the Geth for example, the Turians stranded at Earth might as well already be dead. They certainly wouldn't have enough food for the 100 or so year trip back to Palaven with conventionaly ftl travel. The Quarians were barely surviving after 300 years of it, and that was with the Relay system intact and a large number of planets to strip mine, not to mention Pilgrimages. 

They would need fuel as well.
They're screwed either way.

[addiction21]

1. I agree
2. I agree
3. I will tell him its a different explosion. at about 2:30
On is a massive explosion (the arrival) the other is nothing but a gas bomb you see in Hollywood movies (ME3).
Also with Arrival you see the galaxt map and it clears everything away where at the end its just the colored light.
4. Its not a plot hole. Just a ****ty situation. Something that I would like a epilopge to set that all straight.
5 Ya I want more to the whole "take back the Earth" we have been fed for so long. I agree we should of seen more to that battle.
6. Ya more exposition and a infodump on how everything turns out for the galaxy. I did get my closuere for the genophage and Geth Quarian conflict (which can be drasticly different depending on your choices down the line) but its you BioWare. Characters you make people love and want to know what actually happens to them. I can give let you have that stay a mystery for the first two games but then this happens. It is upsetting.
7. I disagree since the entire series sets up the whole "we win but with heavy costs" and BioWare has made that clear. That regardless of our choices bad things will be happen.
I also find it amusing how BioWare having that "3rd choice" the so called "happy ending" is something they have been critcised for endlessly and now I see the same people throwing a fit because they got what they asked for.
8. Yes but he cheapens his point wth cutscenes of only one of the endings to that Geth/Quarian conflict.
9. Ya but again scenes are thrown in from only one side,
10. I disagree with the choices not mattering. Theres one path I could choose for multiple races to be entirely wiper out but on another path my decisions can lead to those races having a chance for survival.
My big disagreement is that he brings "all your choices" down the the last one. We have made many choices before that point and they do count.

There needed to be a lot more to these endings if they wanted them to work. He knows his audiance and knows repeating the rhetoric will get those like minded people to spam his video up and down the internet providing him the hits he needs.

In short.
I agree with some of it and disagree with other bits. He knows his audiance and knows

[The Razman]

The top voted comment to that video is ... interesting ...

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

His point about the ending is that despite what any of us did we are still treated to three options with three cinematic endings(with little variety). We may have all played vastly different characters but still hit the same destination. These three similar endings also make our previous choices, our truces, our war assets pointless. Varying endings for the previous two games make sense because they were trying to steer a narrative but as their own employees stated they were not bound by this in the third game. They could have gone everywhere with the ending and instead they narrowed it down to A, B, C.

[OdanUrr]

addiction21 wrote...

7. I disagree since the entire series sets up the whole "we win but with heavy costs" and BioWare has made that clear. That regardless of our choices bad things will be happen.
I also find it amusing how BioWare having that "3rd choice" the so called "happy ending" is something they have been critcised for endlessly and now I see the same people throwing a fit because they got what they asked for.

I really don't understand why people advocate so strongly that there shouldn't be a "happy ending." It's not like we're asking for it to be the only ending, just one of many. Mass Effect is ultimately about choice, so the player should be able to choose the ending s/he likes the most. Because if we're going to argue that a "dark" ending is more real, I can tell you right now there are plenty of things in the game that defy credulity. We must remember this is still a form of escapism for many for us. If I wanted more realism, I'd play Battlefield or Modern Warfare.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Indeed. You can have more than one ending. Sure, you could all survive the suicide mission but if you wanted to off some characters to make it more dramatic you were more than welcome to do so.