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[Midarenkov]

shinobi602 wrote...

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

 

Is that why almost every Youtube comment on the endings is negative? Why almost every game forum site that is discussing the endings is the same? For God's sakes even sites like IGN are describing their feelings. Why tens of thousands of people on Facebook and other social sites are raising money on this? But yea you're right, just a vocal minority.

I really don't think that many people are so outraged as much as entertained by dissing the ME3-ending. Watching youtube videos about how bad ME3 was, then looking at all the negative comments in no way undercuts what I am saying. The people who dislike ME3 (or just like dissing ME3) will flock to certain videos- it's not earth-shattering.

Edit: Most people don't know what to make of the ending because it's so unlike the rest of the series, so they'll follow the loudest, most polarizing voices - it's the popular thing to do.

Did you even watch the video? The guy is spot on with his sentiments. Can you refute any of them?

Refuting the arguments would require thought. I wouldn't expect any responses.

[Cadence of the Planes]

Did you even watch the video? The guy is spot on with his sentiments. Can you refute any of them?

What if the entire 20 minute sequence was an indoctrination? Wouldn't that refute anything directed towards the last 20 minutes being filled with plotholes/inconsistencies/ half-bakedness?

..because it wouldn't be real- it would be in shepard's head.

 


For every video made about the inconsistencies, there is one made about a theory of the ending not actually being what it seemed to be. If that was the case, then one would have to transfer their anger about the bizarness of the ending to the fact that the game didn't end with closure, but on a cliffhanger. Now there's no way for me or you to say with certainty if it's truly more than what it seems or not - I suppose we'll just have to wait till the next ME3 ending announcement from the game-makers.


Regardless- I just.. I just don't *hate* the ending as you do. Sorry.

Modifié par Cadence of the Planes, 19 mars 2012 - 01:28 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

For every video made about the inconsistencies, there is one made about a theory of the ending not actually being what it seemed to be.

... What?

What are you talking about, and how does this relate to the cancer-inducing endings?

[Cadence of the Planes]

... What?

What are you talking about, and how does this relate to the cancer-inducing endings?

See above post (link)

[shinobi602]

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

Did you even watch the video? The guy is spot on with his sentiments. Can you refute any of them?

What if the entire 20 minute sequence was an indoctrination? Wouldn't that refute anything directed towards the last 20 minutes being filled with plotholes/inconsistencies/ half-bakedness?

..because it wouldn't be real- it would be in shepard's head.

 


For every video made about the inconsistencies, there is one made about a theory of the ending not actually being what it seemed to be. If that was the case, then one would have to transfer their anger about the bizarness of the ending to the fact that the game didn't end with closure, but on a cliffhanger. Now there's no way for me or you to say with certainty if it's truly more than what it seems or not - I suppose we'll just have to wait till the next ME3 ending announcement from the game-makers.


Regardless- I just.. I just don't *hate* the ending as you do. Sorry.

That makes no sense. If it was all just an indoctrination... "hallucination", then how does that explain Shepard "defeating" the Reapers? All those 3 choices were in his head? So the Reapers are still above Earth reaping **** and destroying everything?

Joker and the Normandy fleeing the blast and ending up on a random planet are in his dreams? WTF???

[addiction21]

shinobi602 wrote...

Did you even watch the video? The guy is spot on with his sentiments. Can you refute any of them?

His sentiment? Yes.

His "facts" no.    On many occasions he shows a single cutscene and then extrrapolates all his arguments from that single sceen.

Like I said he knows his demographic and knows they will provide his channel with hits.

[Cadence of the Planes]

 
That makes no sense. If it was all just an indoctrination... "hallucination", then how does that explain Shepard "defeating" the Reapers? All those 3 choices were in his head? So the Reapers are still above Earth reaping **** and destroying everything?

Joker and the Normandy fleeing the blast and ending up on a random planet are in his dreams? WTF???

Of course it makes no sense- hence the 'hallucination' bit.

Like I said, I am not certain if it is, and you can't claim to be certain that it isn't. We'll just have to watch and wait to see what comes next from the game makers

[shinobi602]

addiction21 wrote...

His sentiment? Yes.

His "facts" no.    On many occasions he shows a single cutscene and then extrrapolates all his arguments from that single sceen.

Like I said he knows his demographic and knows they will provide his channel with hits.

Refute what he says please.

[addiction21]

shinobi602 wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

His sentiment? Yes.

His "facts" no.    On many occasions he shows a single cutscene and then extrrapolates all his arguments from that single sceen.

Like I said he knows his demographic and knows they will provide his channel with hits.

Refute what he says please.

I already did with those points I disagree with

And on the whole his video feeds into a particular group that will spam his link up and down the internet. Thats all that matters for a youtube "star"

[shinobi602]

addiction21 wrote...

I already did with those points I disagree with

And on the whole his video feeds into a particular group that will spam his link up and down the internet. Thats all that matters for a youtube "star"

His video would be linked to so much because it is very effective at displaying the faults and pure idiocy of the ending and sums up people's feelings perfectly, not because of something baseless like "feeding into a particular group". What a cop out way to describe people's feelings now.

You didn't refute anything in detail. At least I didn't see anything.

[cakeandbacon]

Sounds about right.

[Cadence of the Planes]

 

You didn't refute anything in detail. At least I didn't see anything.

There really is no point in asking the guy to refute the video .


Are you going to refute the video I linked, or continue to try and tune it out? If you do or don't- will it prove anything? No..

Modifié par Cadence of the Planes, 19 mars 2012 - 02:30 .

[Cadence of the Planes]

 Double post*

Modifié par Cadence of the Planes, 19 mars 2012 - 02:34 .

[Galbrant]

Wow.... I guess I am gonna blank out the last 15 minutes and hope the other half of the game is a free expansion. But I am hoping to much......

[justlogme]

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

justlogme wrote...

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

My least favorite part about the end is not the end itself, but the enormous amount of whining associated with it.

   Feel free not to read such threads then no ones forcing you, that would be the logical move. Calling 80% of the fanbase whiners.  because they don't agree with you just makes you look lame. 

I don't think the ending at face value is great (it might have a hidden meaning, which could potentially make it really, really creative - but that's for another discussion thread), but I don't hate it either- I'll live. I was merely answering the OP's question about what irks me the most about the ending.

80% is a rather assertive statistic ...what is your source? I believe the people who TRULY dislike the ending are a vocal minority - while a somewhat larger portion of the population that didn't really know what to make of the ending latched onto a mob-mentality because criticizing it suddenly became the cool thing to do.

I understood the uproar after reading through a few threads, but as the thread count started to rise from 5 to 50, I couldn't help but roll my eyes. The hyperbolic forum outrage overtook my mild reservations about the ending as something markedly easier to dislike. Don't get me wrong, there are some sensible and understandable threads out there, but they are unfortunately the exception and not the rule.

You can think I'm lame for voicing my own opinion, but feel free not to respond to my posts because no one is forcing you to. 

  No your more then welcome to your opinion sorry if I seemed insulting as thats actually what I was trying to combat here. Ie the people who come in and say "your just a vocal minority of whiney entitled kids." with nothing but opinion to back it up
  Now look around google some polls including those here on BNS and say that those that loved the ending are the majority. Before you say thats just alot of very vocal minority and that those that loved the endings aren't bothering to poll, remember that works both ways. there are many I believe that don't like the endings but haven't polled. And no the huge review sites that get thier inside scoups and free games to review from Bioware don't actually count in my book as much as actual fans do.
   Lastly remember to be upset about something one has to actually care. No one gets upset over something they don't care about

[darkshadow136]

Great video. Hold The Line

[OdanUrr]

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

 

You didn't refute anything in detail. At least I didn't see anything.

There really is no point in asking the guy to refute the video .


Are you going to refute the video I linked, or continue to try and tune it out? If you do or don't- will it prove anything? No..

I am. Here. I'd appreciate your comments on anything I might have missed.

EDIT: I'm actually addressing ACAVYOS' vid here (and a few other points on IT) but I think the same applies.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 19 mars 2012 - 02:57 .

[justlogme]

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

 
That makes no sense. If it was all just an indoctrination... "hallucination", then how does that explain Shepard "defeating" the Reapers? All those 3 choices were in his head? So the Reapers are still above Earth reaping **** and destroying everything?

Joker and the Normandy fleeing the blast and ending up on a random planet are in his dreams? WTF???

Of course it makes no sense- hence the 'hallucination' bit.

Like I said, I am not certain if it is, and you can't claim to be certain that it isn't. We'll just have to watch and wait to see what comes next from the game makers

   As you seem fairly well informed might I point you to the ME3 final hours iphone ap thats on sell ($3 dollars soon to be out for the PC) or at least the thread here about its contents that pretty much disproves all the talk of hallucination./indoctrination
  Casey Hudsons own notes as of Nov 2011 pretty much state that the ending is as planned that they cut a final boss fight and questions with the star child as the boss fight was too "video gamey", and the players didn't need information from the star child. Mike suggested in his note to have the ending as is for "lots of speculation"
   Notes on DLC was that it would all be pre-ending or concurrent not post ending so we know as of Nov 2011 at least they had no plans for ending DLC.

[corebit]

Amazing video and AngryJoe hit the nail squarely in the head! Hope Bioware takes a good look at this and understand why fans are all upset with the endings.

Everyone else please keep spoilers off this thread

[Meeric]

I liked it. I don't agree with all of it, but there are plenty of points that resonate.

More so, even with its flaws, it crystallises my disappointment.

[shinobi602]

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

 

You didn't refute anything in detail. At least I didn't see anything.

There really is no point in asking the guy to refute the video .


Are you going to refute the video I linked, or continue to try and tune it out? If you do or don't- will it prove anything? No..

The point is moot, that's why. The explanation is....everything is a hallucination/figment of his imagination. Bull**** cop out. So he doesn't really destroy the Reapers or win anything in the end? Even on the issue of him actually choosing the 'destroy' option and bypassing the Reapers' control on top of the Citadel, that doesn't explain how the hell is he back in London amidst the rubble like that video suggests? He went up there telepathically and telepathically destroyed the Reapers while he was on Earth?

[justlogme]

Heres betting Bioware so wants this thread to drop off the front page.
 Hell they might even use SPACE MAGIC to make it happen  

 Also according to a poll 98% of 52,000 people polled hate the ending. heres the link doubt that
will stop people that like the endings from saying they are the majority though.

http://www.livingdic...-mass-effect-3/

Modifié par justlogme, 19 mars 2012 - 03:35 .

[OdanUrr]

Guys, watch this vid again to Two Steps From Hell's "Endless Night." There may be tears involved.

[addiction21]

shinobi602 wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

I already did with those points I disagree with

And on the whole his video feeds into a particular group that will spam his link up and down the internet. Thats all that matters for a youtube "star"

His video would be linked to so much because it is very effective at displaying the faults and pure idiocy of the ending and sums up people's feelings perfectly, not because of something baseless like "feeding into a particular group". What a cop out way to describe people's feelings now.

You didn't refute anything in detail. At least I didn't see anything.

Thats my point. He onky feeds one view. He shows only the clips that support his claims. Those geth primes are one of the endings to that story. Not to mention how you can end the race with that last "meaingless choice" in the game or let the Geth live.

P.S.
If you do go back to page 2 or 3. I do agree with some of those faults of the ending.

[Metalrocks]

exactly my thoughts as well why i hate the ending(s) so much. non of my shepards would give in to this child. hell, not even my shepard with my decisions would agree to that crap. i would have told the child to F off.