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[AtreiyaN7]

Adamantium93 wrote...

The OP asked why people who liked the endings liked them. I think he wants to see the opposite side of the argument, and quite frankly, id like to as well. Yet so far no one who likes the endings has answered that question.

I have multiple times in multiple threads, but apparently, "I appreciate the philsophy and ideas behind the ending enough to be okay with plot holes and other issues that I am entirely cognizant of" doesn't seem to get through. Does that help? The personal meaning that I get out of it all outweighs the lack of detailed answers, etc. Even so, I haev also repeatedly pointed out that I would have liked exposition about the Normandy even though I was satisfied with the experience overall. So, that's that last time I want to have to say this in here at least.

[terdferguson123]

Some people like to use their imagination more than others. Not that hard to understand really. Those who do like to imagine what may have happened, like the ending more, those who would rather have their hand held are probobly not going to like the ending.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 18 mars 2012 - 10:13 .

[Stonesoundjam]

Ans: Stockholm syndrome

[AtreiyaN7]

111987 wrote...

Maybe I'm misunderstanding here, but I actually thought Simpfan was agreeing with you.

Actually, I think you're right and that I misread that.

[Simpfan]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Maybe I'm misunderstanding here, but I actually thought Simpfan was agreeing with you.

Actually, I think you're right and that I misread that.

Its all good.
Jokes and sarcasm can be hard to get in text, even more so when tempers are so flared in troubled times such as these.

[FSOAH]

They want to be different, basically.

"I like ME3 endings because no one else does." Hipsters.

Modifié par FSOAH, 18 mars 2012 - 10:17 .

[Turkeysock]

KillSlash45 wrote...

Turkeysock wrote...

If someone likes the ending, good for them. Let them enjoy the endings.

What I don't like about them is that so many of these people like to come on here and tell those of us who didn't like the endings how we are "wrong" or "don't understand".

I bought Mass Effect 1 in 2008. It's the first game I've actually finished and replayed in years (not since the release of Suikoden 5). When ME2 was about to come out, I replayed several more times. Then when ME3 came out, I started several fresh characters and took them from ME1-2, and a few have made it to ME3. I'm still playing ME3, I've enjoyed the game. I just hate the ending.

I expected better then that. That is what pushes me.

And yet this is filled with posts insulting us that enjoyed the ending.

Apparently those that liked the ending are just deaf dumb and blind bio-drones

And? Don't listen to those who hurl personal insults.

But then again, things like:

KillSlash45 wrote...
Well those that hate the ending get all antsy when certain folks talk down to them and call them entitled children.

But
it's perfectly okay for people to talk down to those that liked the
ending, because after all they are just a minority group right?

Don't really add to your side. I've seen you post numerious times, and I see you doing the exact same thing you like to accuse anyone with a differing opinion.

We're not "entitled children", we're dissatisfied customers who've put a lot of time, effort and money into this game franchise. We were told we were going to get closure to the adventures of Commander Shepard. Closure is not "Pick a color, *Poof* Reapers gone, oh by the way your crew with members who were on the ground with you and should technically be dead or at least in the med bay magically appear in the ship."

Closure for this kind of game, should be something like Fallout, or the Suikoden games.

[Wildhide]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Some people like to use their imagination more than others. Not that hard to understand really. Those who do like to imagine what may have happened, like the ending more, those who would rather have their hand held are probobly not going to like the ending.

Passive Aggressive smarm isn't what the OP was looking for, but thank you.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The ending: going through the ending once for the person who has a bazillion achievement points probably thought "epic", or at least "decent" because among that bazillion achievement points are games that have endings that make this one look golden. In fact there are game in the bazillion achievement points that many of us wouldn't even touch in the bargain bin for $3 that got ratings of 3.0 in Gameinformer.

Then there are those of us who are selective about what we get. We don't get a game that's rated less than 8.5, hence the rating inflation we've seen. We're typically older, and more picky about game content.

The endings of this game one time probably are fine for the casual player, but for the person who invested time and effort into the first two games into their Shepard, no. I'm not buying. The music may hit the right notes at the right times, but I'm a musician, and I know how to manipulate an audience with music as well. I can make a listener sob and laugh just in the way I phrase.

I don't know who wrote the music for the final scene but it wasn't deep. It does not hold up to repeated consecutive listening. So going playing through the endings sequentially showed the flaws and holes in the plot. It showed the contradictions. It showed why I cannot buy the indoctrination theory. It took away the "there is another way." The ending held a gun to my head and said choose red, green, or blue. I kept waiting for "Shepard, wake up!"

The logic used by the starchild construct was circular and was opposite of what you'd been told throughout the game. The music was to distract you from this, those tones were just at the right moments.

So I've still got the last possible save game before the final push. I'm waiting for a rectification of this travesty of an ending. I hope Bioware throws the entire ending from the final charge into the beam into the trash can and rewrites a good heroic ending, even if that ending has Shepard going out in a blaze of glory, but if it does at least let Shepard kick it in the LI's arms or in the best friend's arms in the final scene after the battle is done and the reapers have been vanquished. That at least would end Shepard's story with closure. It would be bittersweet still, but would give closure.

All endings are going to be bittersweet. There are going to be losses. Still there should be one available for Shepard to grow old with her LI. Make the ending dependent upon the choices made during the game. Make the war assets matter. Paragon Shepard gets this ending. A**h*** Shepard gets the other one, because even Garrus cares about A****** Shepard.

[AtreiyaN7]

Simpfan wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Maybe I'm misunderstanding here, but I actually thought Simpfan was agreeing with you.

Actually, I think you're right and that I misread that.

Its all good.
Jokes and sarcasm can be hard to get in text, even more so when tempers are so flared in troubled times such as these.

Yeah, sorry man - everything's starting to sound so similar in this place that I misinterpreted your response. Big-time whoops there, but I'm entirely happy to own up to my mistake and apologize for it.

[Haasth]

Denial? Wanting to be a hipster? An intense love for the colors red, green or blue?

Honestly, the only thing I can see positive to the ending is a very specific kind of attribute only some people find interesting, intriguing and 'good'. The fact that it is open to many forms of interpretation and leaves you with your own thoughts and speculation. Which I would have liked enough, if not for the fact that it's blatantly filled with plotholes and oversights.

[terdferguson123]

Wildhide wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Some people like to use their imagination more than others. Not that hard to understand really. Those who do like to imagine what may have happened, like the ending more, those who would rather have their hand held are probobly not going to like the ending.

Passive Aggressive smarm isn't what the OP was looking for, but thank you.

It was more just blatant honesty about the differences in the opinions on the ending. What would you rather me say? "those who liked the ending are all feebleminded and love plot holes! Those who hated the ending are clearly more intelligent!" No, that is silly, so it all comes back to what I said previously. Those who like to use their imaginiation will fill in the plot with what they think happened, those who like their hand held are no going to like it. Sorry if that seems passive aggressive, but thats exactly the difference in those two opinions.

Also, to the person trying to justify that those who didn't like the ending are older, is just silly. I would think that the older a person is the more accustomed they are to enjoying an ending that lets them theorize/imaginate may have happened.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 18 mars 2012 - 10:24 .

[KillSlash45]

Turkeysock wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

Turkeysock wrote...

If someone likes the ending, good for them. Let them enjoy the endings.

What I don't like about them is that so many of these people like to come on here and tell those of us who didn't like the endings how we are "wrong" or "don't understand".

I bought Mass Effect 1 in 2008. It's the first game I've actually finished and replayed in years (not since the release of Suikoden 5). When ME2 was about to come out, I replayed several more times. Then when ME3 came out, I started several fresh characters and took them from ME1-2, and a few have made it to ME3. I'm still playing ME3, I've enjoyed the game. I just hate the ending.

I expected better then that. That is what pushes me.

And yet this is filled with posts insulting us that enjoyed the ending.

Apparently those that liked the ending are just deaf dumb and blind bio-drones

And? Don't listen to those who hurl personal insults.

But then again, things like:

KillSlash45 wrote...
Well those that hate the ending get all antsy when certain folks talk down to them and call them entitled children.

But
it's perfectly okay for people to talk down to those that liked the
ending, because after all they are just a minority group right?

Don't really add to your side. I've seen you post numerious times, and I see you doing the exact same thing you like to accuse anyone with a differing opinion.

We're not "entitled children", we're dissatisfied customers who've put a lot of time, effort and money into this game franchise. We were told we were going to get closure to the adventures of Commander Shepard. Closure is not "Pick a color, *Poof* Reapers gone, oh by the way your crew with members who were on the ground with you and should technically be dead or at least in the med bay magically appear in the ship."

Closure for this kind of game, should be something like Fallout, or the Suikoden games.

Please point out ONE of any of my posts where I accused ANYONE of being entitled children? I have not once looked down on anyone with a different opinion. In fact on several occasions I have stated my understanding for the don't-like-the-endings group.

Modifié par KillSlash45, 18 mars 2012 - 10:23 .

[iamthedave3]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Paragon Shepard gets this ending. A**h*** Shepard gets the other one, because even Garrus cares about A****** Shepard.

Don't you mean, especially Garrus?

Modifié par iamthedave3, 18 mars 2012 - 10:24 .

[Eterna]

Terminus Echoes wrote...

Probably lack of attention to ME1/ME2.

 It could also be that we don't have a stick lodged up our ass. 

[MattFini]

Crack cocaine.

[hawat333]

Aanlen wrote...

I'm equally baffled everytime someone defends these endings. So far the only argument people use when they defend these endings are "DARK IS DEEP AND ARTSY, HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THE PURE WIN OF THESE ENDIGNS?". Would anyone care to elaborate this? How DOES the ones who like/support the endings justify the flaws and plot holes, or the unkept promises of "there wont be an A, B or C ending".

Well, it's the same thing like someone saying: "Ohh, I hate the endings, I hate you, I hate the world, I hate BioWare, the endings were the reason behind the Black Plague!!"+!§111214441!", etc.

There are some civilized debates about it, you can check for your answers there.
But I feel you didn't really have a question, you just raged over some of us actually liking something you don't like.
In that case, I wish you the same thing you wish me right now.

[Wildhide]

Eterna5 wrote...

Terminus Echoes wrote...

Probably lack of attention to ME1/ME2.

 It could also be that we don't have a stick lodged up our ass. 

So you're saying... Garrus doesn't like the ending?

[Skyhawk02]

I have been defending the ending on these forums the past few days, I have tried to give better reasons than, "DARK IS DEEP AND ARTSY, HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THE PURE WIN OF THESE ENDIGNS?" I have tried to point out the foreshadowing throughout the trilogy that points to this as the only possible ending. The execution wasn't perfect, the details didn't fit together just right, but the overarching story seems to fit together pretty good for me. I hope I haven't offended anyone with anything I posted.

[Wildhide]

Skyhawk02 wrote...

I have been defending the ending on these forums the past few days, I have tried to give better reasons than, "DARK IS DEEP AND ARTSY, HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THE PURE WIN OF THESE ENDIGNS?" I have tried to point out the foreshadowing throughout the trilogy that points to this as the only possible ending. The execution wasn't perfect, the details didn't fit together just right, but the overarching story seems to fit together pretty good for me. I hope I haven't offended anyone with anything I posted.

I don't think you have.  Personally I just saw the themes and foreshadowing to be going in the completely opposite direction of you, but to each their own.

[Eterna]

But seriously, people like the endings because they like the endings. They feel it closed their Shepard's story up nicely, they don't mind the Mass Relays blowing up and such.

It's not because they're stupid
It's not because they're a cod fan
It's not because they are terrible fans
It's not because they're indoctrinated
it's not because they didn't pay attention during Mass Effect 1 and 2
it's not because they want to be a hipster

If you think it's because of any of the above reasons, you're a moron.

[Zix13]

Terminus Echoes wrote...

Probably lack of attention to ME1/ME2.

Agreed. The ending would be stupid IMO even if the game were standalone... But the fact that it's the end of a saga makes it undefendable.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Wildhide wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Terminus Echoes wrote...

Probably lack of attention to ME1/ME2.

 It could also be that we don't have a stick lodged up our ass. 

So you're saying... Garrus doesn't like the ending?

Of course he doesn't; he's starving to death on a jungle planet.

[KillSlash45]

Zix13 wrote...

Terminus Echoes wrote...

Probably lack of attention to ME1/ME2.

Agreed. The ending would be stupid IMO even if the game were standalone... But the fact that it's the end of a saga makes it undefendable.

On the contrary, it is quite defendable. 

[111987]

Zix13 wrote...

Terminus Echoes wrote...

Probably lack of attention to ME1/ME2.

Agreed. The ending would be stupid IMO even if the game were standalone... But the fact that it's the end of a saga makes it undefendable.

This statement is false, as proven by the people defending it.