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[Bluefuse]

Tragick Flaw wrote...

Bluefuse wrote...

Tragick Flaw wrote...

I did. Would I take another ending? Sure.

Saying you did is meaningless. Please tell us what was likable about it. Any conclusions you can draw from it?

I took it as forcing me to decide what happened afterward. So I did and found my own ways around plot holes and what would happen after the credits rolled. That seemed to satisify me.

Hope your pursuits for a new ending work out. I'll stick on the sidelines and hope I don't get too much hate for liking the current ending.

Yeah... the reason why I play a video game is for an interactive experience... not speculate on what's really going on. If that's how you like your video games, then I think you would love almost all the games there are out there.

[Aubairjin]

Obviously, yellow wasn't their favorite color.

[terdferguson123]

So far, I have seen these arguments against people who liked the ending:

- Stupid
- Cocaine Addicts
- Nickelback Fans
- Hipsters
- Didn't play/didn't like Me1/2
- Children
- Stockholm Syndrome
- etc.

So, basically, what your saying is that anyone who disagrees with you is a cocaine addicted psychotic hipster child who is an idiot, loves Nickelback, and most likely didn't like Mass Effect 1 or 2. Gee, you guys are just doing so much to make people REALLY want to help you with your problem.

To me, it seems like those who liked ending are actually the reverse of whats being said about them above. Perhaps, they are just more willing to accept that the game has foreshadowed and led up to these endings since the start of the series. But don't mind me, I clearly have no mind of my own!

Modifié par terdferguson123, 18 mars 2012 - 10:34 .

[Bluefuse]

KillSlash45 wrote...

Bluefuse wrote...

Anyone who liked the ending has likely not played the first couple Mass Effect games or has not payed attention to the story AT ALL. I haven't even heard one person who explained WHY they like it in both an honest and reasonable opinion.

I payed attention and played both the first two games, with many replays.

I liked the endings.

Like I said to the other guy, WHY do you like the endings? Don't just say you like it. You're in a discussion forum if you haven't noticed...

Modifié par Bluefuse, 18 mars 2012 - 10:35 .

[Bluefuse]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

effortname wrote...

There's people who pay for Nickelback albums.

 That's a great way to explain it.

Nickelback sucks, and I still loved the Mass Effect 3 ending, try again.

Obviously you don't understand the point; what they were trying to say is that there will always be people who like things that are seen by most as being extremely bad.

ANd you're assuming just because 50,000 people, 2.5 percent of the million plus copies sold that the majority of people don't like the game, so by saying 'most' you should in fact repace that with 'the vocal minority'.

Instead of saying we're wrong, how about you tell us why your opinion is reasonable. In other words, WHY DO YOU LIKE THE ENDING?

[MattFini]

The saddest thing?

Even the defenders of the ending have to acquiesce that it was slapped together and has problems.

Such a shame that a trilogy should end with most people hating the slapdash finale, and those who didn't even admitting it wasn't handled well.

Good job, BioWare.

[Bluefuse]

MattFini wrote...

The saddest thing?

Even the defenders of the ending have to acquiesce that it was slapped together and has problems.

Such a shame that a trilogy should end with most people hating the slapdash finale, and those who didn't even admitting it wasn't handled well.

Good job, BioWare.

Here's more of a reason why the ending was rushed: 
http://social.biowar...index/9993946/1

[Electric Pig]

People who like the endings aren't truly invested in the mass effect universe.

If I just bought mass effect for multiplayer for an example (not a jab at it, i actually was pleasantly surprised by how enjoyable it was), and did the single player to kill time I wouldn't of given one solitary **** that shepard died. Or what happens to the characters and races.

I remember couple days ago online, i heard two guys chatting on about how they couldn't get into the "campaign" (made me cringe) part of the game. Are they going like the ending? Most likley so.

[FSOAH]

Eterna5 wrote...

But seriously, people like the endings because they like the endings. They feel it closed their Shepard's story up nicely, they don't mind the Mass Relays blowing up and such.

It's not because they're stupid
It's not because they're a cod fan
It's not because they are terrible fans
It's not because they're indoctrinated
it's not because they didn't pay attention during Mass Effect 1 and 2
it's not because they want to be a hipster

If you think it's because of any of the above reasons, you're a moron.

How can anyone who understood the series NOT care about 15 plotholes in 10 minutes?

[AtreiyaN7]

Wildhide wrote...

Skyhawk02 wrote...

I have been defending the ending on these forums the past few days, I have tried to give better reasons than, "DARK IS DEEP AND ARTSY, HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THE PURE WIN OF THESE ENDIGNS?" I have tried to point out the foreshadowing throughout the trilogy that points to this as the only possible ending. The execution wasn't perfect, the details didn't fit together just right, but the overarching story seems to fit together pretty good for me. I hope I haven't offended anyone with anything I posted.

I don't think you have.  Personally I just saw the themes and foreshadowing to be going in the completely opposite direction of you, but to each their own.

Despite the original focus on dark energy that we thought would play a role in events, I'm of the opinion that it didn't all come out of left field. There were a lot of things that the writers touched on, and maybe some people assigned more value to some issues than others. I was probably like everyone else at the start, focused mainly on saving humanity and defeating the Reapers.

I was partway through ME3 and then had a bit of a revelatory moment when I said to myself: "You know, it's about a bit more than just stopping the Reapers, etc." It was a combination of EDI's desire to learn about humanity and the experience of Legion's sacrifice during the geth-quarian-Rannoch section of the game that caused me to view things differently.

At that point, I started thinking a lot about our early exposure to the geth in ME1 and how there was an arc with Legion and the geth in ME2 (along with Shepard's death and resurrection through technology and EDI's unshackling) that had come to a conclusion in ME3. I felt, especially after hitting TIM's hideout and watching the recordings/listening to my crew membery, that this arc explored issues of AI, personhood, etc. And that's part of why I found meaning in the ending.

[Eterna]

FSOAH wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

But seriously, people like the endings because they like the endings. They feel it closed their Shepard's story up nicely, they don't mind the Mass Relays blowing up and such.

It's not because they're stupid
It's not because they're a cod fan
It's not because they are terrible fans
It's not because they're indoctrinated
it's not because they didn't pay attention during Mass Effect 1 and 2
it's not because they want to be a hipster

If you think it's because of any of the above reasons, you're a moron.

How can anyone who understood the series NOT care about 15 plotholes in 10 minutes?

 Name me the 15 plotholes. 

[AtreiyaN7]

Electric Pig wrote...

People who like the endings aren't truly invested in the mass effect universe.

If I just bought mass effect for multiplayer for an example (not a jab at it, i actually was pleasantly surprised by how enjoyable it was), and did the single player to kill time I wouldn't of given one solitary **** that shepard died. Or what happens to the characters and races.

I remember couple days ago online, i heard two guys chatting on about how they couldn't get into the "campaign" (made me cringe) part of the game. Are they going like the ending? Most likley so.

And that's the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard of. People who like the endings are not truly invested in the Mass Effect universe? Not after playing every single game in the series multiple times?Not after pouring in around close to 200 hours in my case??? You almost leave me speechless - but not so much so that I can't point out how colossally wrong you are to make such a sweeping statement.

[Bluefuse]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Electric Pig wrote...

People who like the endings aren't truly invested in the mass effect universe.

If I just bought mass effect for multiplayer for an example (not a jab at it, i actually was pleasantly surprised by how enjoyable it was), and did the single player to kill time I wouldn't of given one solitary **** that shepard died. Or what happens to the characters and races.

I remember couple days ago online, i heard two guys chatting on about how they couldn't get into the "campaign" (made me cringe) part of the game. Are they going like the ending? Most likley so.

And that's the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard of. People who like the endings are not truly invested in the Mass Effect universe? Not after playing every single game in the series multiple times?Not after pouring in around close to 200 hours in my case??? You almost leave me speechless - but not so much so that I can't point out how colossally wrong you are to make such a sweeping statement.

Actually, I agree with him. It's not as out of left field as the ending...

Modifié par Bluefuse, 18 mars 2012 - 11:00 .

[Klijpope]

What I like about the endings (caveat: this is not unqualified approval).

I loved - the Illusive Man / Anderson death scene. Plays out based on your previous interactions, culminating in a decision that calls back to ME1, with the reward of a poignant death scene, set to music that I still choke up to when I hear it.

I kinda like - The Catalyst / The Choice. Yes, it comes out of leftfield, yes, its WTF?, but I think, instead of not being based on all our decisions so far (which have already been tallied, IMO), we actually get an extra decision, one we weren't expecting, that lets us guide the next stage of evolution, potentially. Its definitely underwritten, but in concept and tone, if not in execution, I like it.

I'm disappointed by - the final cinematics. They're not different enough from each other, what actually is happening is not clear, or downright confusing, and mostly, they're anti-climactic.

This is from someone who finds themselves in the like camp or the dislike camp depending on what the frame of debate at the time is. This is not just an 'it sucks'/'it rocks' issue.

[UrgentArchengel]

I thing I've learned from the Internet is that generally, people have opinions, and they are right. If you have an opinion that is different then theirs, then your wrong. YouTube and Ain't it cool news are some of the best examples of this. BSN is actually ablot more tolerable. Of course you always got a few trolls here and there. Makes me wish bridges had no Internet connections. Stupid trolls.

[Delpinolikespotatoes]

I love how this posts quickly turn into a "YOU'RE A MORON" "NO, YOU'RE A MORON" "OH! HOW DARE YOU MORON?!" thingy.

Everyone who has messed with some other guy in this post is now, and untill he leaves this thread: A moron. Which makes me a moron too. But I won't be in this post for much longer. Just be polite to each other.

PS: I think some of the posts about the people who like the ending were jokes. But that's just my opinion

[AtreiyaN7]

Bluefuse wrote...

Actually, I agree with him. It's not as out of left field as the ending...

Let me point this out again: I have close to 200 hours invested in the Mass Effect universe by my estimation, and I'm still okay with my ending. That disproves his point that ONLY someone who isn't invested in the ME universe can like/be okay with the endings. It's flat-out ridiculous to have someone imply that after all that time and after caring vey deeply about all the characters that I'm somehow not truly invested in the series just because I'm not foaming at the mouth over the endings.

[Delpinolikespotatoes]

Klijpope wrote...

I kinda like - The Catalyst / The Choice. Yes, it comes out of leftfield, yes, its WTF?, but I think, instead of not being based on all our decisions so far (which have already been tallied, IMO),

There is a lot of people saying this but I don't think is quite right. I'm talking about your decisions being tallied out BEFORE the catalyst scene. Whether it's true that during ME3 you face your choices (The rachni queen, the geth heretics etc) all of these choices eventually turn into "War Assets" which only effect is in the Godchild scene. What I'm trying to say it's that there is no "argumental" ending to these choices since you don't get to know what happens to the Krogan, the Rachni etc you just turn them into points which make little difference in the final part of the game and so there is not a real sense of importance in them. I don't think they get really tailled out.

I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything here, just sharing my opinion while respecting yours.

[sistersafetypin]

KillSlash45 wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

I honestly don't think the OP was trying to start a flame war. Maybe I'm an eternal optimist, but what I got from the Op was a genuine question being asked to the people that enjoyed the ending. That people that posted after that made jokes is neither here nor there. And considering if any of the Retake Movement so much as click on any "Gaminig Blog' they're immediately assaulted with the insults of people that don't even try to understand...

I think the people that like the endings could at least simmer down enough to stop taking everything so personally.

Well those that hate the ending get all antsy when certain folks talk down to them and call them entitled children.

But it's perfectly okay for people to talk down to those that liked the ending, because after all they are just a minority group right?

Yeah, sure. If that's what your deduction skills lead you to believe... Yep. I honestly think you guys are looking for fights where there [previously] were none.

The Nickleback comment was merely an example how some people genuinely like that band, and a huge chunk of the masses don't. I lol'd because that's a perfect anology. And yet, in response you guys claim we're all calling you Nickleback fans.... Oh, ok.

The difference between us and you? Thicker skin one. We aren't actually whining, we're moblizing petitioning, and offering better endings.

What are you all doing? Entering our threads and throwing insults. So some people throw them back, or worse some people make light of the mocking/smug way we're treated and.... Cue hysterics. 

Modifié par sistersafetypin, 18 mars 2012 - 11:28 .

[Fortlowe]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Bluefuse wrote...

Actually, I agree with him. It's not as out of left field as the ending...

Let me point this out again: I have close to 200 hours invested in the Mass Effect universe by my estimation, and I'm still okay with my ending. That disproves his point that ONLY someone who isn't invested in the ME universe can like/be okay with the endings. It's flat-out ridiculous to have someone imply that after all that time and after caring vey deeply about all the characters that I'm somehow not truly invested in the series just because I'm not foaming at the mouth over the endings.

Indeed. I've only just completed my first playthrough, so I'm not fully versed with all the endings, however, I am very pleased with how it turned out. It brought a close to the reaper conflict while at once expanding on where the ME4 universe can go.

[GeneralArrow]

Bluefuse wrote...

Anyone who liked the ending has likely not played the first couple Mass Effect games or has not payed attention to the story AT ALL. I haven't even heard one person who explained WHY they like it in both an honest and reasonable opinion.

Or those of us who liked the ending and don't care to join a ragethon and get all bent outa shape over a few missing plot holes. Ever read Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars? Finishing a series and leaving it open is a common literary tactic to invoke imagination. Which btw, those 3 books are amazing. It would be sad if people hated them all because they didn't give closure to the series the way people wanted lol.

Modifié par GeneralArrow, 18 mars 2012 - 11:27 .

[KillSlash45]

sistersafetypin wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

I honestly don't think the OP was trying to start a flame war. Maybe I'm an eternal optimist, but what I got from the Op was a genuine question being asked to the people that enjoyed the ending. That people that posted after that made jokes is neither here nor there. And considering if any of the Retake Movement so much as click on any "Gaminig Blog' they're immediately assaulted with the insults of people that don't even try to understand...

I think the people that like the endings could at least simmer down enough to stop taking everything so personally.

Well those that hate the ending get all antsy when certain folks talk down to them and call them entitled children.

But it's perfectly okay for people to talk down to those that liked the ending, because after all they are just a minority group right?

Yeah, sure. If that's what your deduction skills lead you to believe... Yep. I honestly think you guys are looking for fights where there [previously] were none.

The Nickleback comment was merely an example how some people genuinely like that band, and a huge chunk of the masses don't. I lol'd because that's a perfect anology. And yet, in response you guys claim we're all calling you Nickleback fans.... Oh, ok.

The difference between us and you? Thicker skin one. We aren't actually whining, we're moblizing petitioning, and offering better endings.

What are you all doing? Entering our threads and throwing insults. So some people throw them back, or worse some people make light of the mocking/smug way we're treated and.... Cue hysterics. 

Thanks for proving my point. Those that hate the ending tend to get all bent out of shape when they get insulted, at the same time insulting those who like it, as evidence by your post generalizing us.

Thanks

[Kyrick]

Aanlen wrote...

I'm equally baffled everytime someone defends these endings. So far the only argument people use when they defend these endings are "DARK IS DEEP AND ARTSY, HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THE PURE WIN OF THESE ENDIGNS?". Would anyone care to elaborate this? How DOES the ones who like/support the endings justify the flaws and plot holes, or the unkept promises of "there wont be an A, B or C ending".

Ignorance and pretentiousness.  If somebody honestly likes the ending they are either utterly ignorant of storytelling, literary mechanics, and simple logic, or else they are attempting to pull the whole, "I UNDERSTOOD the endings, which nobody else did apparently" card.

If somebody claims they like the ending on anything other than an emotional level (and I fail to see how even that is possible, but emotions are a different kettle of fish than literary theory or storytelling mechanics) then they are provably incorrect.

[Documental]

The ending isn't brilliant but I don't mind it, and before I get abused, I've played the first two, this series is easily one of my favourite games series.

Personally, I have no idea why I don't mind the ending, I just do, I'm content with it being the final ending if it is but if they offered some new DLC to change then ending then I'd snap it up in an instant.

[Unit-Alpha]

FSOAH wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

But seriously, people like the endings because they like the endings. They feel it closed their Shepard's story up nicely, they don't mind the Mass Relays blowing up and such.

It's not because they're stupid
It's not because they're a cod fan
It's not because they are terrible fans
It's not because they're indoctrinated
it's not because they didn't pay attention during Mass Effect 1 and 2
it's not because they want to be a hipster

If you think it's because of any of the above reasons, you're a moron.

How can anyone who understood the series NOT care about 15 plotholes in 10 minutes?

They are stupid, CoD fans, terrible fans, indoctrinated, didn't pay attention, and are hipsters.

U mad, Eterna5?

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 19 mars 2012 - 12:32 .