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[Father Alvito]

I do, however, feel that the only "good" base for snipers on gold is Firebase Dagger. Nothing else is large/open enough.

White is also excellent.  Two snipers at the top of the upper stairs and two players downstairs next to the ammo box is the way to go.  You have options downstairs, but it seems to make the most sense to send some combination of a sniper, a Human Soldier with a Falcon and a Salarian Engineer with a Carnifex down there.

Modifié par Father Alvito, 19 mars 2012 - 05:50 .

[Rasputin17]

I have a Mantis 10 and a M 98 Widow which would you suggest I use? I kinda feel like I need to stay with Mantis because of the power regen.

[HolyAvenger]

Not sure about this headshot laziness. Uncloaked widow shot does not one-shot a cannibal, even on silver. Cloak is good, but I don't like to waste the CD on low-ranked mobs. So headshots are definitely the way to go.

[HKR148]

Been wanting to get Javelin and I got it, not using any other weapon. That's the only load-out I carry around. I find Javelin much more useful for general situations due to its inherent perk of letting you see through the smoke, invisibility and that purple outline which tells you whether your bullet will pierce through or not.

Modifié par HKR148, 19 mars 2012 - 07:18 .

[HolyAvenger]

HKR148 wrote...

Been wanting to get Javelin and I got it, not using any other weapon. That's the only load-out I carry around. I find Javelin much more useful for general situations due to its inherent perk of letting you see through the smoke, invisibility and that purple outline which tells you whether your bullet will pierce through or not.

Only gave it a go in SP, but is it not difficult thanks to the delay? Hitting moving targets seemed impossible.

[AreleX]

Rasputin17 wrote...

I have a Mantis 10 and a M 98 Widow which would you suggest I use? I kinda feel like I need to stay with Mantis because of the power regen.

depends on your race/class combo i'd say

also i will add that i got a black widow today, and the damage is almost exactly the same as my mantis x, so it's up to you/your class to decide whether or not the power recharge penalty is worth 3 shots instead of one.

[MartialArtsSurfer]

Both BW & W are the great sniping weapons
&
have built-in armor piercing that stacks with the armor piercing weapons mods
--if you have AP level 2 or higher, it'll go through most of the walls on Firebase Ghost & Glacier as well as get possible triple kills since they both go through multiple bodies

..it's much more common to have a higher leveled W than a BW --my Widow is level 4 while my Black Widow is just level 1

The headshot bonus damage multiplier is 2.5x according to data files posted

What is't clear though is if the 2.5x damage is added ontop of base damage as additional bonus (350% damage total) or if it's just a straight multiplier (250% damage total).?

Modifié par MartialArtsSurfer, 19 mars 2012 - 07:26 .

[Archer zr0]

Widow has the reach and the Black Widow has the flexibility

[HKR148]

HolyAvenger wrote...

HKR148 wrote...

Been wanting to get Javelin and I got it, not using any other weapon. That's the only load-out I carry around. I find Javelin much more useful for general situations due to its inherent perk of letting you see through the smoke, invisibility and that purple outline which tells you whether your bullet will pierce through or not.

Only gave it a go in SP, but is it not difficult thanks to the delay? Hitting moving targets seemed impossible.

Not really, after awhile you get used to how to time it correctly; I been using the gun on a single mode as well so had little trouble adjusting on the multiplater setting. And most of the time the enemies that moves alot are those who are much weaker. Those things can be incapaciated by using overload, they stop moving, shoot them.

Plus my job is to take down the heavy hitter's health as fast as possible while dealing with annoying enemies. There's a noticeable difference in terms of how fast things like Banshee, Brute, Atlas goes down if I ended up dying. I've been trying to figure out which route to take for on my fitness tree though, tried health/shield route twice on my two promotions, this time went straight for melee. Although I'm killing alot of things really fast... I die bit too quick it feels like. On the fourth promote I may just revert back to health/shield route.

Modifié par HKR148, 19 mars 2012 - 07:45 .

[greghorvath]

Tcrumpen wrote...

Having just unlocked the M-98 widow in multiplayer (extreme happy face) was wondering which is better the M-98 Widow or the Alliance Issued Black Widow, also this may sound stupid but is this a good Sniper to use
for a Infitrator (Level 19, better late than never i suppose) instead of the stock Mantis?

My humble opininon is that you should try them yourself and compare experiences. Then you can decide for yourself. , I have been playing Silver all weekend with a Mantis I without a sidearm (since in spite of about 10 spectre packs I have yet to unlock any of the proper weaponry or upgrades, and without that, Gold is a bit out of reach...) and the worst I do is second on the score board (well, there was one game where I finished third out of about 20 games). 

The Widow is basically a muscled up version of the Mantis in terms of handling, while the 3 shots of the BW can deal a lot more damage if used well.

And the best sniper rifle in single player is the M-99 Saber with a scope...

[greghorvath]

Archer zr0 wrote...

Widow has the reach and the Black Widow has the flexibility

this comment wins

[Yosuke]

BW>W, unless the widow is upgraded significantly more than the black widow. More DPS, more shots, more options, more kills, more room for error in most situations. With headshots it's unquestionably better - with body shots it still pulls ahead unless you're under so much pressure that you can really only pop out once every few seconds to fire a shot (and then it's best to just relocate).

Modifié par Yosuke, 19 mars 2012 - 07:53 .

[Yosuke]

DarthVarner wrote...

I do, however, feel that the only "good" base for snipers on gold is Firebase Dagger. Nothing else is large/open enough.

Well, there's at least one good perch on every level, although making use of it depends on whether or not your team is smart about controlling the spawn. I really hate when I get glacier and my entire team runs to the bottom floor, thinking they can catch the enemy right when they spawn...

Dagger, white, ghost, and giant are all pretty great for sniping IMO. Reactor is a bit worse because it's easier for the enemy to sneak up on you from multiple angles/with cover, but still doable. Glacier is pretty much built for close-medium quarters unless you can make use of the long room. Just gotta quick scope those charging reapers...

Modifié par Yosuke, 19 mars 2012 - 08:00 .

[Tcrumpen]

side questions; For wepons mods is there a specific multiplayer that gives them or do all give them, and key question what is the differance between Bronze/Silver/Gold other than the fact they are harder, do they send waves or harder enimies in sooner?

[themaxzero]

fafnir magnus wrote...

Skilled hands will be best suited with a Black Widow, which has the highest burst damage in the game short of a missile. people espouse the widow because its good for those with crappy hosts or mediocre aim, and they feel tentative about using the headshot machine that is the black widow. With the cloak bonus and multiple shots in the boosted damage window, black widow is the absolute best weapon damage dealer in the game.

Actually many shotguns beat the BW for burst. The GPS being the best.

[MograthX]

I actually prefer the M-99 Saber over the Black Widow on my Infiltrator, it just seems to work much better damage wise.

[Barfwak]

Tcrumpen wrote...

side questions; For wepons mods is there a specific multiplayer that gives them or do all give them, and key question what is the differance between Bronze/Silver/Gold other than the fact they are harder, do they send waves or harder enimies in sooner?

Both; enemies have more HP/shields, do more damage, move faster, and are more aggressive in general (shorter delays between firing, etc.).  There's also more of them, tougher enemies appear sooner, and the maximum number of tough enemies is a lot higher.  On gold difficulty a single attack cannot penetrate a defensive layer like a shield and continue to do health/armor damage, so you can't one shot anything with a shield without first using powers.

If you want to see a good example you should look at the balance patch thread and compared the changes for the geth between bronze, silver and gold.

[0d3n]

BlackWidow is beast. I was lucky enough to unlock it and then immediately level it up on the very next spectre pack. Since I have become proficient with it I have not once been in 2nd place ( always first by large margins ) whether I play bronze, silver or gold. I usually bronze till lvl 5, silver till 10 or 11 and gold the rest of the way. The bw with the salarian inf is big money. If you max out energy drain for damage and cloak for damage and headshot while accompanied with a blackwidow. Well your in for ultimate ownage, that is if you know how to snipe and get headshots. On a four man team on gold the most I have pulled was 137k score points. Second place dood had 77k. This is typical margins for whoever I play with whether it be my elite squad of friends or a pickup game. Something you guys can do who do have the blackwidow, start learning how to quick scope. I have noticed that no scoping does less damage. If you can master quick scoping you can still do maximum damage on the target. I wish I had a encoder to record a few sessions so I could explain how I use quick scoping effectively. Anyway hands down the bw outworks the widow 10-1. And just so you know I have the Widow lvl 8 and I only touched it once to see if I was missing out. Well thats the last time I will use it.

[BaeBunni]

Quick question Why doesn't anyone wonder or compare widows to the javelin?

[Barfwak]

BaeBunni wrote...

Quick question Why doesn't anyone wonder or compare widows to the javelin?

Because the javelin is bad.  Charging times cannot into quick scoping.

[Bruddajakka]

The Javelin isn't that bad if you use energy drain first to stun but the charge time tends to lead to body shots a lot, and you need to lead moving targets if they aren't stunned.

[Tec187]

0d3n wrote...

BlackWidow is beast. I was lucky enough to unlock it and then immediately level it up on the very next spectre pack. Since I have become proficient with it I have not once been in 2nd place ( always first by large margins ) whether I play bronze, silver or gold. I usually bronze till lvl 5, silver till 10 or 11 and gold the rest of the way. The bw with the salarian inf is big money. If you max out energy drain for damage and cloak for damage and headshot while accompanied with a blackwidow. Well your in for ultimate ownage, that is if you know how to snipe and get headshots. On a four man team on gold the most I have pulled was 137k score points. Second place dood had 77k. This is typical margins for whoever I play with whether it be my elite squad of friends or a pickup game. Something you guys can do who do have the blackwidow, start learning how to quick scope. I have noticed that no scoping does less damage. If you can master quick scoping you can still do maximum damage on the target. I wish I had a encoder to record a few sessions so I could explain how I use quick scoping effectively. Anyway hands down the bw outworks the widow 10-1. And just so you know I have the Widow lvl 8 and I only touched it once to see if I was missing out. Well thats the last time I will use it.

Agreed, QuickScoping with the BW is just plain awesome

[Beyond Archangel]

sad part is i unlocked both out of the same pack.

[mysticforce42]

BW should net you more kills on Gold - a lot of the Widow's damage potential is wasted on lower tier enemies. ED+Widow+Warp Ammo is just right for most elites, but half the damage potential's wasted on anything with no shields. BW should also be more forgiving - if you missed a shot, you have two more, which can at the very worst stagger something until you can cloak again.

Finding a Hunter behind you right after you popped off a cloaked shot with a Widow on something else leaves you nothing but harsh language and quick flight instincts for defense.

Widow IX and BW 0...ugh.

[Elecbender]

Barfwak wrote...

BaeBunni wrote...

Quick question Why doesn't anyone wonder or compare widows to the javelin?

Because the javelin is bad.  Charging times cannot into quick scoping.

THAT'S why its bad?  Because you can't "quickscope"?

This is my new catchphrase.  It fits especially for this forum:

"if it exists, someone won't like it".