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[RazRei]

eldrjth wrote...

RazRei wrote...

Widow if you're a good aim, BW if you're a screw up, never take the Javelin.

I dont know where you came to that conclusion from. if youre a good shot with the BW you can line up 3 headshots in quick succession so a better aim will result in a better score with the BW. youll hit ceiling faster (very quick infact) with good aim on the widow (where an average player can score about the same as a skilled one) than with the BW which can unload 3 well time quicker shots, and then with the valiant again. infact the widow has you aim for the body for efficiency while the semi-autos have you aim for the head.

But as aggressive as the enemies can be in Gold the Widow is the better weapon overall in my opinion.  In the time you get off three good clean shots I can get off two.  The only time where the BW actually out paces it the Widow is the secnery I've mentioned.  When you fight an enemy like a Maurader on gold it takes two good head shots with a widow to take it out.  With a BW you could do it in that same 'thermal clip.'

When you're on a bigger game hunt the Widow is just a better weapon.

[DragonRageGT]

I prefer the Widow. I only need one shot to kill anyway. Stagger them with Sabotage and Headshot. On Silver. One Shot does not work on Gold, but the Widow Maker (as I call it) is still the best weapon for an Infiltrator, imho. And the team I play with on Gold can remove shields for me to 1-shot kill when possible. Teamplay at their best.

I do not think we get the Cloak Bonuses for sniping after the first shot, no matter how fast we do it. I tried the Black Widow on the SP and I was so happy when I got my Widow back, which is way later there. I have played enough MP games by now (700 rating) and I have never been outscored by a Black Widow user.

[Elecbender]

ezrafetch wrote...

Elecbender wrote...
THAT'S why its bad?  Because you can't "quickscope"?

This is my new catchphrase.  It fits especially for this forum:

"if it exists, someone won't like it".

Given how aggressive enemies are, especially as difficulty ramps up, means that time you spend out of cover charging a sniper rifle is time for the enemy to get you dead. Ergo, quickscoping is actually a great habit to get into for ME3 because it minimizes the damage you take, increasing your survivability.

Honestly I've stopped using sniper rifles.  They're horrible for my playstyle.  I really don't care anymore.

But my catchphrase still stands.

Modifié par Elecbender, 26 mars 2012 - 05:21 .

[Drummernate]

Javelin.

See through walls.

Shoot through said walls without losing damage.

See cloaked enemies.

'Nuff said.

[Tiamatshade]

I obtained my Black Widow before getting a Widow.
I even upgraded it to II before getting a Widow. I didn't know any better.

I've played matches with people who use the Mantis, Javelin and Widow.
Most of the time, if I'm on my game accuracy/reflex-wise, I top them every time.

Being able to headshot 3 targets in a row before a slow reload saves the team THAT much more time aiming and shooting.

That, and when I'm facing a Brute or a Banshee at half health by myself or with one other teammate, I shudder when I think of how SLOWLY I'd kill said enemy if I had to reload between each slug. Those enemies certainly won't give you all the time in the world.

Slightly less punch can be offset by extended barrel + piercing. Slightly more weight can be offset with lucky upgrades (I'm up to 3!!!! XD) I'm fond of calling my Black Widow an elephant gun, because it kills Brutes so quickly.

[I am KROGAN]

I just unlocked the M-98 widow the other day and got it up to level three. To me, it's a toss up still between my Mantis X and the M-98 Widow III.

On one hand, with the Mantis equipped, my recharge time is around +160% meaning I can cloak... a lot

On the other hand, I can use the Widow, cloak less but take out Primes/Atlas' stupid fast.

I'll probably keep switching between to two just to mix it up till I unlock the Black Widow *crosses fingers*

[vladgd]

i really like my black widow. you have to be more accurate with it over the widow, but at the same time the gun is more forgiving i feel due to the 3 shot clip. easy to nab headshots with the salarian infiltrator anyhow.

feels really good to get 3 headshots with that 3 round clip.

[Reaver102]

I think it can be summed up as such, if you're playing a salarian its a matter of preference of which rifle you would like to use, if you're anyone else the black widow or valiant are the better guns.

[DragonRageGT]

Reaver102 wrote...

I think it can be summed up as such, if you're playing a salarian its a matter of preference of which rifle you would like to use, if you're anyone else the black widow or valiant are the better guns.

My Quarian Infiltrator works much better with the M-98 Widow. And we cannot get three headshots with a 3 round clip in Gold. Widow is da killa. The rest is just the rest. But it is true what you said. Valiant or BW are better for other classes since they do not get all the weapon damage/heashot bonuses an Infiltrator has from Cloak.

[HippyGiJoe]

Anyone who says widow is superior to blackwidow on gold has no clue, im sorry but its true. While the widow can be as good on big enemies like atlas, banshee or primes, for all the rest the BW is superior. There are some classes like the infiltrator that can be just as good with the widow but in general BW>widow in gold.

Modifié par HippyGiJoe, 26 mars 2012 - 01:14 .

[DevilDoc8404]

It's a matter of choice. I'm a fan of the Black Widow for crowd control, and general killing. It's also a LOT more forgiving if you miss. You've got two more sitting in the magazine ready. And BW makes for a better gold weapon, simply because of it's ability to two-shot shielded opponents. You just can't do that with a widow.

[DragonRageGT]

HippyGiJoe wrote...

Anyone who says widow is superior to blackwidow on gold has no clue, im sorry but its true. While the widow can be as good on big enemies like atlas, banshee or primes, for all the rest the BW is superior. There are some classes like the infiltrator that can be just as good with the widow but in general BW>widow in gold.

I think my 756 N7 rating, #2 national and #222 global says I do have a clue. And this because I started really late, playing my first SP on Insanity for around 55 hours game time, tried 2 more runs through the SP but couldn't do it because of the ending so I jumped to MP to forget about it until BW gives us something to make it worth replaying the game. (I do play and promoted all classes many times now. Infiltrator is just my favorite and the one I play my best.)

For the record, my Quarian Infiltrator build is pure damage when cloaked and fast recharge cloak. On Gold, the last thing I want as a Sniper is to stay out of cloak for 2 more shots without damage bonus while being exposed to damage that can kill anything in a fraction of a second. Specially when I'm the only one alive and either I win the wave for the team or it's Critical Failure. Not so often these days, since I do play with a good team, but it happens.

[RazRei]

I am KROGAN wrote...

I just unlocked the M-98 widow the other day and got it up to level three. To me, it's a toss up still between my Mantis X and the M-98 Widow III.

On one hand, with the Mantis equipped, my recharge time is around +160% meaning I can cloak... a lot

On the other hand, I can use the Widow, cloak less but take out Primes/Atlas' stupid fast.

I'll probably keep switching between to two just to mix it up till I unlock the Black Widow *crosses fingers*

My widow is up to nine.  By the time I'm done reloading its already time to recloak. 

Honstely like I said for Big Games the Widow is the better weapon than the semi auto BW.

[erikage]

I'm loving the Black Widow more. You can clear out more enemies faster on Silver. On Gold, it's much more faster paced to kill a higher level enemy.

[greghorvath]

I was actually outscored on a gold game yesterday by a salarian infiltrator (same as me) using a black widow. By about 40k points! That is just wicked. I was impressed.

(I used Mantis X instead of my Widow I, because of the infinitely better recharge time)

[DragonRageGT]

greghorvath wrote...

I was actually outscored on a gold game yesterday by a salarian infiltrator (same as me) using a black widow. By about 40k points! That is just wicked. I was impressed.

(I used Mantis X instead of my Widow I, because of the infinitely better recharge time)

I am still to see any Infiltrator beat me on the score with a Black Widow or any other weapon actually, at the end of a Gold or Silver match. I don't play for the score, I don't care the least if I am not on the top but it happens naturally. (I used to actually like when I was not because I don't think I am that great of a player, so I thought that if I'm on the top, the team was not that good, but I've been playing with pretty good players. Guess I get lots of lucky headshots =)

I was playing with the M-98 Widow VII and while leveling the other classes for Operation Raptor, I got VIII and IX in my spectre packs. Can't wait to have it on my Quarian Infiltrator, which I will when I promote the last class remaining. (4 promoted, 1 to be and the Infiltrator waiting).

[Kronner]

DragonRageGT wrote...

HippyGiJoe wrote...

Anyone who says widow is superior to blackwidow on gold has no clue, im sorry but its true. While the widow can be as good on big enemies like atlas, banshee or primes, for all the rest the BW is superior. There are some classes like the infiltrator that can be just as good with the widow but in general BW>widow in gold.

I think my 756 N7 rating, #2 national and #222 global says I do have a clue. 

Apparently not. It just shows that N7 rank is a joke.

Black Widow >>> Widow. With BW you can one shot everything W can one shot, but with BW you kill phantoms, centurions and other "protected" enemies faster. It's not really close. Of course that Black Widow is more difficult to handle and you need to be a good shot to take advanatge of BW.

Black Widow in action. You will not come anywhere near that performance with Widow.

Modifié par Kronner, 31 mars 2012 - 11:13 .

[Jebel Krong]

hit headshots and the widow is far better at higher difficulties than the BW. the recoil alone on the latter screws up your aim against anything moving - particularly geth, and you can never guarantee a good connection, unless it's your own - which is always a factor in mp games. even if you miss a shot, you generally do so much damage with the widow that someone else can finish the kill and you move onto the next target. if you're using any sniper against low level enemies, really you're doing it wrong - brutes, banshees, atlus', primes should always be your primary targets (and phantoms if you see them coming). barrel mod and pierce mod and you can one-shot many enemies through cover, too, which is huge fun.

i should say that i generally play infiltrator, snipers are wasted on other classes.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 31 mars 2012 - 11:36 .

[Sildadia]

Overall you'll have the potential to put out more damage with the Black Widow then the M-98. The M-98 is going to be a stronger single shot than the Black Widow.

On Silver/Gold you may find that the M-98 is a better choice simply because the extra damage gets you over that hump on headshots and means a single shot kill instead of a 2 shot (remember aiming will keep you out of cover).

Basically it's situational and relates to your play-style. Personally I take the M-98 into gold matches, Black Widow for anything below.

[Jebel Krong]

Kronner wrote...

Black Widow in action. You will not come anywhere near that performance with Widow.

nice video, thanks. however hitting headshots i would have had 10 by the time you got 5, however the BW allows a lot of general-damage kills, you got to 25(?) real fast. i guess i prefer to be more selective and refined and allow the damage classes - adepts, vanguards to do the most general kills.

[Kronner]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Black Widow in action. You will not come anywhere near that performance with Widow.

nice video, thanks. however hitting headshots i would have had 10 by the time you got 5, however the BW allows a lot of general-damage kills, you got to 25(?) real fast. i guess i prefer to be more selective and refined and allow the damage classes - adepts, vanguards to do the most general kills.

It's not my video. It's Sp3c7er's. He's the guy that beat Gold solo - in the demo - when it was much more difficult than now. He's the best sniper you will come across. And don't forget that when you are recording at 1080p, the game is not as smooth and aiming is more difficult.

edit: also, headshots do not matter if you can one shot kill with a body shot

Modifié par Kronner, 31 mars 2012 - 12:06 .

[Fortack]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Black Widow in action. You will not come anywhere near that performance with Widow.

nice video, thanks. however hitting headshots i would have had 10 by the time you got 5, however the BW allows a lot of general-damage kills, you got to 25(?) real fast. i guess i prefer to be more selective and refined and allow the damage classes - adepts, vanguards to do the most general kills.

That's not Kronner playing, it's Sp3c7eR and if you think you are a better shot than he is please show us. Nevermind that, I already know you aren't.

You also haven't played on Gold and haven't read any of the posts here. The Widow CANNOT one-shot anything with a blue, purple or yellow bar on Gold - headshot or not. The Black Widow will always outperform the Widow because you can kill more than one enemy in one Cloak cycle. The Widow doesn't come close to what the Black Widow is capable of (in the right hands of course).

[DragonRageGT]

Kronner wrote...

It's not my video. It's Sp3c7er's. He's the guy that beat Gold solo - in the demo - when it was much more difficult than now. He's the best sniper you will come across. And don't forget that when you are recording at 1080p, the game is not as smooth and aiming is more difficult.

edit: also, headshots do not matter if you can one shot kill with a body shot

Solo'ing Gold on the Demo, much more difficult than now? Really? If Sp3c7er said it, I might buy it. I  have seen his vids and yes, he is a great shot. But I think he would do even better with a M-98 Widow if he wanted to play with it.

And you cannot one shot kill anything with a body shot on Gold. Cerberus grunts won't die with a Widow body shot on Gold, much less with a BW shot. Unless you have a modded weapon and I don't mean original in-game legit mods.

Also, Fraps slows FPS a bit, more or less depending on our systems specs, but the 1080p is determined when encoding the video for the upload. It has nothing to do with the capture. Fraps, for instance, makes 4GB pieces every few minutes, which then, converted for 1080p display, reduces the size to some 100MB. Rough estimate. I don't have any capture left before compression but I do have over 250 videos uploaded to YT. I might try making one for the Widow, as soon as I have my regular team mates online at the same time.

Kronner wrote...

DragonRageGT wrote...
I think my 756 N7 rating, #2 national and #222 global says I do have a clue.

Apparently not. It just shows that N7 rank is a joke.

Make it N7 1000 on the dot now. And it is not really a joke. Sure it shows mostly how much we play but when I, with my level 1 Infiltrator, outscore a bunch of level 20 chars in a match, it also shows at least that I can play. Maybe not as good as Sp3c7er, but still, I can play. You are welcome to try anytime.

Modifié par DragonRageGT, 31 mars 2012 - 04:24 .