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[Dreez]

Quoted from another forum.  This is why Bioware and EA should  be sued for
false advertisement and misleading information / lying to customers.


Whether or not you enjoyed the conclusion to Mass Effect 3 (personally I feel
it tarnished an otherwise masterful series) please take a look at the
pre-release quotes below from websites and interviews with the game's
developers, writers and producers.

Does all that talk of meaningful player choice, multiple significantly
different endings and closure for the characters and series not seem,
at the very least, strange?

I believe Bioware can be legitimately accused of, at best, fudging the
truth if not outright deceit given the inconsistency between notions
of choice, closure etc. expressed before the game was released and
the ending as it currently stands.

In my opinion Bioware produced a badly written, ill-conceived shambles
of an ending riddled with plot holes and logical inconsistencies but
even if you loved the final moments of this great game do you really
think what was stated in the interviews below has been proved true?

Maybe Walters, Gamble, Hudson et al will be proved right when a decent
ending is released via (presumably free) DLC that explains the
original ending was just some sort of hallucination/indoctrination.
I'm not holding my breath waiting for that though.


Official Mass Effect Website
http://masseffect.com/about/story/

“Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any
other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience
and outcome.”

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.fina...-all-audiences/

“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think
one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are
optimal for different people “

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computera...missing-in-me2/

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as
much as we are anyway.”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the
architect of what happens."

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless
of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide
some answers to these people.”

“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being
brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they
got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was
because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you
didn't make”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the
universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in
Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different
based on what you would do in those situations.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get
some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the
lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers,
being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an
end.”

Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”
Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with
the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to
build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about
eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is
coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot
more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many
decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that
stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings,
where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and
variety in them.”

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player
decide what your story is.”


EDIT: Couple more interesting quotes I found, enjoy......or not.


Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html

Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever
before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle
for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike
Gamble.


In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was taking risks with Mass Effect 3's
plot,
including a negative ending in which the Reapers win. Gamble simply
said, "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he
said, "Yes".


Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html


"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"


Casey Hudson (Director)
http://gamescatalyst...active-stories/

“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and
the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all
of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to
live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”

Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.computera...ly-good/?page=2

“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And
even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to
some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending
where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things
- it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the
final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who
plays it.”

[Tazzmission]

i should file a sute against the fans because you all give me a headache and making me suffer from stress

seriously just stop

[AgitatedLemon]

Tazzmission wrote...

sute

*sigh*

[thunderhawk862002]

Nice topic. You should also list the dates of the quotes to know where in the development cycle the product was at the time. Claims made in the month before release should be viewed differently than ones made a year before release.

[Demon Velsper]

Tazzmission wrote...

i should file a sute against the fans because you all give me a headache and making me suffer from stress

seriously just stop

I can solve that problem for you in one easy step.

1. Step away from the computer.

[thunderhawk862002]

Tazzmission wrote...

i should file a sute against the fans because you all give me a headache and making me suffer from stress

seriously just stop

I am seriously interested in your thoughts on the topic.  I will give them great thought.  Can you tell me what you did like about the fans who are giving you problems?

[HenchxNarf]

Tazzmission wrote...

i should file a sute against the fans because you all give me a headache and making me suffer from stress

seriously just stop

They won't. They won't stop until the run everyone off the boards, have Obama get involved, and make gamers everywhere look like a bunch of whining entitled idjits. They will never take us seriously again.

And what's really the kicker, they're doing all of this for nothing. Bioware isn't going to change anything. EA won't change anything. The only success they will have is to make everyone look at ALL gamers in a bad light.

[Tazzmission]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i should file a sute against the fans because you all give me a headache and making me suffer from stress

seriously just stop

I am seriously interested in your thoughts on the topic.  I will give them great thought.  Can you tell me what you did like about the fans who are giving you problems?

i think you mean didnt

i hate how the mornonic movement are ruining the game for new players

i persoanally am tired of being attacked for likeing something i payed for

im also tired of being accused of not playing the first two games and being called a bioware butt kisser


im also sick of hearing this movement speaks for every gamer when in fact they dont speak for me. i speak for me


who the hell are they to say they speak for every fan around the world?


this place use to be fun but now its like no life misery central occupied by people with no lives and get off to complaining and saying they know how a franchise they didnt even create should be


im mentally burnt out and honestly after the current display not just by fans but by gamers as a community it makes me ashamed to be a gamer because those idiots are gona have the whole gaming community targeted for critisizim


are you people actually happy to be laughed at by people?

this whole thing is so out of hand it makes you all look like gaming is the only world you live in

im not trying to bash, attack, flame or insult anyone and if anything im just venting my frustrations on the situation

Modifié par Tazzmission, 18 mars 2012 - 10:24 .

[Cell1e]

Wow Dreez, that's a lot of great information gathered and a lot of promises broken too. I just can't understand how they can say those things, some of them blatently false, about the game they released, is it possible they didnt know what the endings were?

My mind is boggled.

[Ghost Warrior]

End of the line.

[SyyRaaaN]

Thats a long list of lies.

[ziloe]

Very nice effort.

[Kub666]

Hah, this is good.

My favorite, from Casey:

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C."

Nice. They really did troll us all.

[DaJe]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i should file a sute against the fans because you all give me a headache and making me suffer from stress

seriously just stop

They won't. They won't stop until the run everyone off the boards, have Obama get involved, and make gamers everywhere look like a bunch of whining entitled idjits. They will never take us seriously again.

And what's really the kicker, they're doing all of this for nothing. Bioware isn't going to change anything. EA won't change anything. The only success they will have is to make everyone look at ALL gamers in a bad light.

Gamers that lack opinion and don't defend their interests let all of us look like immature sheep, that just eat and don't think.

[Nozybidaj]

When you read all those quotes, then look at the endings in ME3 it looks a lot like the wrong endings made it into the final build of the game. Nothing in those quotes matches the RBG endings, and in most of them are directly contradicted by the existence of RBG endings.

[Tazzmission]

Kub666 wrote...

Hah, this is good.

My favorite, from Casey:

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C."

Nice. They really did troll us all.

well to be fair me3's choice of the 3 endings was in fact diffrent so he didnt lie

[Kub666]

Tazzmission wrote...

im not trying to bash, attack, flame or insult anyone and if anything im just venting my frustrations on the situation

Yet you are bashing and namecalling.

Also, you are derailing the thread. Your rant did not touch anything in the OP. If you want to vent may I suggest starting another thread?

[Tazzmission]

Kub666 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

im not trying to bash, attack, flame or insult anyone and if anything im just venting my frustrations on the situation

Yet you are bashing and namecalling.

Also, you are derailing the thread. Your rant did not touch anything in the OP. If you want to vent may I suggest starting another thread?

i was asked to explain why i have this option so i gave it.


dont like it tough

also dont act like im the only guy who has ever derailed a thread  and furthermore you want name calling? go talk to the anti ending movment who hijack threads and call people indoctrinated bioware butt kissers

Modifié par Tazzmission, 18 mars 2012 - 10:32 .

[Overule]

All true and the primary source of our outrage. Longer Bioware goes without acknowledging the above the less likely they'll ever be able to win back their fanbase.

[Sebbe1337o]

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”


What a bag of d*cks...

[Janus382]

Good work OP! I simply cannot fathom how anyone at BW can be surprised by the backlash over the endings, given all the things they've said about them beforehand.

[Silasqtx]

And please, just ignore Tazzmission if you don't like his posts for he'll keep answering no matter what.

[hawat333]

Because that's a new and never experienced thing in video gaming.

Come on, it's always like this, ever since The Lost vikings.

[_symphony]

Tazzmission wrote...
well to be fair me3's choice of the 3 endings was in fact diffrent so he didnt lie

Words fail me.

[Esquin]

Tazzmission wrote...

Kub666 wrote...

Hah, this is good.

My favorite, from Casey:

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C."

Nice. They really did troll us all.

well to be fair me3's choice of the 3 endings was in fact diffrent so he didnt lie

You walked up ramp a, b or c then got  ending video 1 with a colour swap regardless of which ramp you chose.

You wanna tell me how that isn't an ending A B or C situation? Seriously if you enjoyed the ending thats your business, but don't try to dismiss our arguments. Not unless you've actually got some facts on your side like we do. 

Modifié par Esquin, 18 mars 2012 - 10:49 .