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[Kub666]

Oron345 wrote...

FixitBioware11 wrote...

Casey Hudson is the new Peter Molydeux

At least PM had the decency of apologising before running off and doing it again though.

Peter Molyneux is in a different league than Casey Hudson. C'mon. Let's be serious here.

[Elhanan]

Balrogen4 wrote...

I like the the fact that you adressed my points like a rational, intelligent human being.

In every thread that points out the fact that the ending sucks the defenders are one in ten. it may not prove that
90% of BSN hates the ending but it's the closest we're gonna get.

ME3 is not a standalone game, it's part of a trilogy and therefor should follow the established facts from ME1/2. currently it does not and that's why I think people who like the ending are ignorant of Mass Effect 1 and 2.
If you can't feel the time constraints weighing down the developers at the end of the game then that's your fault.

If you like the ending please address why you liked it and address the points that the haters of the endings make, so far none of you defenders have managed to do so.

heh! Fine; liked the ending I have seen, though I would have liked to have actually experienced it in game play. And I have played both of the other titles as Paragon Infiltrator Male Shepard, and Paragon Sentinal Female Shepard (ME1 only).

Cannot get into any specifics, as I have not actually played this game (see registered titles). However, let me take a shot at the one I am able to target without Spoilers:

* Emotional ending like no other - based on reactions afterwards by some mindless Haters, I say Spot On. But in game, I was more touched by some of the flashbacks to those met earlier than the final scene of the Normandy.

As for more specifics, I cannot say, as I did not make the choices in the conclusion I saw; only know I can live with that one based on the final 23 minutes or so seen on youtube.
 
And I have no idea of the choices made by every other players; only mine. I chose to allow Kaiden to sacrifice himself in both versions, had a romantic relationship with Miranda in the male version, no romance chosen in the female version, and only completed ME2 with my male Shepard with everyone surviving. So I do not know what choices of mine would have influenced my ME3 conclusion, but based on what I saw, it matches up fairly well.

And here I thought that Shepard would die somehow by looking for spent mags, and take a sniper round, or fall off a ledge or something. Total surprise for me!

Modifié par Elhanan, 20 mars 2012 - 04:17 .

[Matt561]

This is the most relevant issue with the current ending.

[Balrogen4]

Elhanan wrote...

Balrogen4 wrote...

I like the the fact that you adressed my points like a rational, intelligent human being.

In every thread that points out the fact that the ending sucks the defenders are one in ten. it may not prove that
90% of BSN hates the ending but it's the closest we're gonna get.

ME3 is not a standalone game, it's part of a trilogy and therefor should follow the established facts from ME1/2. currently it does not and that's why I think people who like the ending are ignorant of Mass Effect 1 and 2.
If you can't feel the time constraints weighing down the developers at the end of the game then that's your fault.

If you like the ending please address why you liked it and address the points that the haters of the endings make, so far none of you defenders have managed to do so.

heh! Fine; liked the ending I have seen, though I would have liked to have actually experienced it in game play. And I have played both of the other titles as Paragon Infiltrator Male Shepard, and Paragon Sentinal Female Shepard (ME1 only).

Cannot get into any specifics, as I have not actually played this game (see registered titles). However, let me take a shot at the one I am able to target without Spoilers:

* Emotional ending like no other - based on reactions afterwards by some mindless Haters, I say Spot On. But in game, I was more touched by some of the flashbacks to those met earlier than the final scene of the Normandy.

As for more specifics, I cannot say, as I did not make the choices in the conclusion I saw; only know I can live with that one based on the final 23 minutes or so seen on youtube.
 
And I have no idea of the choices made by every other players; only mine. I chose to allow Kaiden to sacrifice himself in both versions, had a romantic relationship with Miranda in the male version, no romance chosen in the female version, and only completed ME2 with my male Shepard with everyone surviving. So I do not know what choices of mine would have influenced my ME3 conclusion, but based on what I saw, it matches up fairly well.

And here I thought that Shepard would die somehow by looking for spent mags, and take a sniper round, or fall off a ledge or something. Total surprise for me!

Thank you for explaining what you liked about the ending but the problem still persists of addressing the current issues that "haters" are bringing up.
1. Shepard completely changes character and takes everything Starchild has to say as facts even though it's responsible for the massacres of trillions.
2.Bioware made a bunch of promises regarding the ending like how each different ending would be unique and there would be 16 different versions of them when there are in reality only 6 > www.youtube.com/watch
3. Joker and teleporting crewmembers, All your squadmembers are on earth, how did they end up on the normandy? why is Joker fleeing the battle even though he had our backs during the Battle of the Citadel and the suicide mission?

Now my personal opinions of why the ending is also bad.
Not a single war assets show it's fruition (except Destiny Ascension) throughout the ending, the development for end game is seriously lacking.
There are so many missed opportunities to bring the player into awe and wonder during the last mission.
Seeing Wrex/Wreave Togheter with Grunt just massacring Husks and Cannibals.
Trying to survive the Banshee tagteam coupled with the Maraudeers and having a team of Geth Primes fall down from the sky and providing support.
Seeing waves upon waves of Rachni workers just overwhelm a Destroyer or the Reaper ground units.
There are certainly more opportunites but those were the most obvious to me.

You don't have to agree with me but you can't deny that more effort COULD have be put into the ending.

Modifié par Balrogen4, 20 mars 2012 - 05:45 .

[Stealthy Cake]

Hmm, wouldent be suprised if there are some sue attempts coming up, since false advertisement is really illegal. This ought to be interesting.

I Support this!

[leafyFresh]

_symphony wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
well to be fair me3's choice of the 3 endings was in fact diffrent so he didnt lie

Words fail me.

this ^

[XTR3M3]

the only way corporations like this listen is if you hit them in their pocket book. They screwed up Dragon Age 2 and I quit buying DLC for that game. They screwed up the ending of ME3, so I will quit buying DLC for this game. That is the only way they will listen. They will not do anything other then PR spin this away unless it hurts their bottom line or they think they can make a profit from it. Those are our only 2 options. Hurt them in the pocket book or offer to pre order new ending DLC in great enough quantities to entice them with profits.

[Artemis_Entrari]

I wonder if we'll ever get an actual response (not PR-speak rambling that says a whole lot of nothing) addressing the majority of the quotes in the OP, and about why they completely changed direction from those quotes pre-release, to the ending we got in the final product.

[Phategod1]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Phategod1 wrote...
You what the restitution should be? Casey Hudson playing the world smallest violin for all you whiners. You paid for a game, you received a game. I have never witness a such a bunch of entitled cry babies in my life.

Allow me to use an analogy that you perhaps will understand.

Let's say you pay for a massage with a "happy ending" (pun unintended). The masseuse looks nice, you've paid in advance etc etc . . . then just as the massage is almost finishes, she (or he, if you'd prefer) GRABS A MALLET AND WHACKS YOU IN THE BALLS WITH IT. As you lie writhing in pain on the ground, the masseuse/ masseur shugs and says, "You paid for a massage, you got a massage."

Or et's say you pay for a car that you've been promised is a Ferrari. The car looks GREAT, you've paid in advance etc etc . . . you jump in, you're driving along happily, then THE ENGINE EXPLODES. As you sit in stunned incomprehension in the burnt-out ruins of the car, the dealer shugs and says, "You paid for a Ferrari, you got a Ferrari. I know I didn't mention the bomb in the engine, and yes, I know I specifically PROMISED that there'd be no bombs in the engine, but hey, it's still a car."


Is the game awesome to play? Yes. Will some people still love it? Yes.

But you CANNOT sell an item that is fundamentally not what it was advertised to be.

Hate to S can you analogy but you did not pay for a Happy Ending (pun intended). You paid for a game. If your not satisfied with either one aspect, or the entire game thats your problem. Regardless of what Bioware has said, they have never said once "That the player will love the ending" they never made such a guarantee, and even if they did who would be stupid enough to believe such a broad and general statement. 

[IS1991]

they should have just asked me what my favourtie colour was at the start of me1 and it would have saved a lot of time.

[Texansamurai]

This is Commander Shepards favorite thread on the forum

[Heather Cline]

That's a comprehensive list. Thanks for posting it. I agree we were lied to and the ending not endings was bad taste because there were no 16 endings. There was 1 ending with different flavors of badness and differing colors.

[Elhanan]

Balrogen4 wrote...

Thank you for explaining what you liked about the ending but the problem still persists of addressing the current issues that "haters" are bringing up.
1. Shepard completely changes character and takes everything Starchild has to say as facts even though it's responsible for the massacres of trillions.
2.Bioware made a bunch of promises regarding the ending like how each different ending would be unique and there would be 16 different versions of them when there are in reality only 6 > www.youtube.com/watch
3. Joker and teleporting crewmembers, All your squadmembers are on earth, how did they end up on the normandy? why is Joker fleeing the battle even though he had our backs during the Battle of the Citadel and the suicide mission?

Now my personal opinions of why the ending is also bad.
Not a single war assets show it's fruition (except Destiny Ascension) throughout the ending, the development for end game is seriously lacking.
There are so many missed opportunities to bring the player into awe and wonder during the last mission.
Seeing Wrex/Wreave Togheter with Grunt just massacring Husks and Cannibals.
Trying to survive the Banshee tagteam coupled with the Maraudeers and having a team of Geth Primes fall down from the sky and providing support.
Seeing waves upon waves of Rachni workers just overwhelm a Destroyer or the Reaper ground units.
There are certainly more opportunites but those were the most obvious to me.

You don't have to agree with me but you can't deny that more effort COULD have be put into the ending.

From what I saw, Shepard is in not a great position to do much of anything except listen, reason, and debate, and has little time to do that. In the face of overwhelming power, and being granted the possible choices available at that point, it ain't like he can simply make it out another way. It is moving forward with the best possible info he has available at hand, which is tempered with his past experiences.

While there may or may not be 16 endings (some may be based on prior choices from ME1; ME2, so perhaps nobody can see these unless replayed; dunno), there are by your count six. Six different conclusions! Have we become so spoiled that the gaming industry has to give us options at all? While I enjoyed having the options in DAO and the preceding ME games, we are not entitled to any but one. That said, multiple endings comprised on some choices have been granted. This is more than good enough for me.

Joker and others are at the mercy of power beyond their control, and I do not mean EA. I have no idea how they appeared in the final scene, but it does look similar to crash sites from previous games. This is a question for the future series, but for the most part, we know what happened to Shepard; much like what occured at the first of ME2, IMO.

When you mention war assets, do you mean those from ME3, the prequels, or both? I can offer this: if one does not save everyone in ME2, and that affects the outcome of ME3, that indirectly ties into the war assets from the previous game.

Again, I do not see the cake described as a lie; just a cake with a different frosting than some believe they are due.

[Stanley Woo]

Let's tone down the rage a few steps , and eliminate the name-calling and insults. Thank you.

[KombatWombat]

Not to mention the fact that is has been verified impossible to reach the "best" ending without touching the multiplayer. That to me is a huge boner on BW's part. I don't like MP, I don't need MP, but I'm forced to play it just to get a preferred ending. Don't sugar-coat it. They said one thing and did another, and no amount of apologetics will make something true that simply isn't.

[XiaShou]

KombatWombat wrote...

Not to mention the fact that is has been verified impossible to reach the "best" ending without touching the multiplayer. That to me is a huge boner on BW's part. I don't like MP, I don't need MP, but I'm forced to play it just to get a preferred ending. Don't sugar-coat it. They said one thing and did another, and no amount of apologetics will make something true that simply isn't.

hm i remember having around 4,8 ems and i ****ed up some stuff, so it might be possible

[SimonM72]

KombatWombat wrote...

Not to mention the fact that is has been verified impossible to reach the "best" ending without touching the multiplayer. That to me is a huge boner on BW's part. I don't like MP, I don't need MP, but I'm forced to play it just to get a preferred ending. Don't sugar-coat it. They said one thing and did another, and no amount of apologetics will make something true that simply isn't.

I can't even touch the multiplayer because it requires a subscription to xbox gold and I don't have that.

[GrimIntent89]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's tone down the rage a few steps , and eliminate the name-calling and insults. Thank you.

It's kind of difficult to NOT be angry about being lied to about the vast majority of these things that were said, and I for one feel insulted that I might have to actually pay for DLC to get the things promised to me. If this situation isn't resolved soon, Bioware will have one less fan. That much I can promise.

[Dariansarr]

Shame on you Bioware

[Overule]

I won't ever lose my temper Bioware, that's a sign of weakness. But I won't ever compromise on this thing either. Your call: fix the ending, or shatter your fanbase.

[Iamyew]

Esquin wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Kub666 wrote...

Hah, this is good.

My favorite, from Casey:

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C."

Nice. They really did troll us all.

well to be fair me3's choice of the 3 endings was in fact diffrent so he didnt lie

You walked up ramp a, b or c then got  ending video 1 with a colour swap regardless of which ramp you chose.

You wanna tell me how that isn't an ending A B or C situation? Seriously if you enjoyed the ending thats your business, but don't try to dismiss our arguments. Not unless you've actually got some facts on your side like we do. 

this

[leafyFresh]

Yea I agree with Stanley.  The rage/insults are lame.  Let's all take a deep breath of cool air.

After saying that,  there definitely appears  to be some contradictions between how the game was advertised and what is actually in the game, from my perspective.  The game was amazing but the final conclusion was so.. odd?

If any of you Bioware people get some spare time, it would be refreshing to hear your thoughts on the apparent contradictions here.

Thanks to the origional poster for bringing this up.

Modifié par leafyFresh, 20 mars 2012 - 08:49 .

[200mW LASER]

We should sue humanity at being genetically stupid. The amount of idiotic
feedback is only a sign that people at certain ages are incapable of receiving
different input from that what they have been fed by cliché movies and games

One might argue that even the "Ending" was not dumbed down enough to suit the masses.
My personal advice is to the general public is that they should go watch ponies.At keast you will always have a happy ending there.

Modifié par 200mW LASER, 20 mars 2012 - 08:54 .

[DaJe]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

No offence, but all I am seeing is this...

"Mommy, the big bad corporation lied to us!"

You guys are acting like this is the first time corporations have lied to people. I mean come on, if every corporation was sued for falsely advertising and not keeping promises would there even be any corporations?

Welcome to the world.

You and your attitude are exactly what's wrong with this world.

Have fun bending over all day while others make this world a more honest place.

[Overule]

^This. I'd much rather get into the habit of calling corporations out on their bull**** than acquiring a taste for it. But you do what you want ThorianCreeper.

Modifié par Overule, 20 mars 2012 - 08:59 .