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[abaris]

Overule wrote...

I don't accept that. If we've come to expect deception from game devs than there's something seriously wrong with the industry's business practices and I have every right to cry foul.

Yes, there is something seriously wrong with business practices.

And it's not as if the gaming industry was any different from all the rest. They don't wear a halo, you know. Even more so, since the guys and gals developing games aren't the ones responsible for raking in the dosh. That's shareholder business with high paid proffessionals providing the marketing hype.

Modifié par abaris, 20 mars 2012 - 10:31 .

[Tazzmission]

Dandynermite wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

DanTheMilkman wrote...

We need to get more FTC complaints going about this.

um no we dont


if you think taking this federal is good than im sorry but you are wrong on so many levels


where will it stop?


should some anti same sex protesters file a complaint now since same sex choices are in games?

or how would you feel if someone filed a complaint to the ftc about game violence?


your opening a can of worms that you dont understand at all because this can be used for more than just a ending of a videogame

Lets say the movement all bought normal edition. That's £35 each. That means £2,100,000 has been paid into a company, one of whose promises was that the ending would be affected by choices. Thats £2,100,000 (I'm not including the thousands more that are upset by aren't on BSN, or the thousands more than are going to be upset, or the thousands more that cba to join the movement, nor the many of us who paid £54 for N7) gained by false advertising. If Bioware ignores those fans, then that is £2,100,000 (which is paid in, I know that is not all profit) that has been taking by decieving customers. That is worthy of a complaint to the FTC. 

Myself I won't complain yet, because I still have hope they could fix it. 

again you missed the point in generall. im saying just by this one guy he has opened up doors for other excuces to be filed

can you promise that some religious nut wont file a complaint do to partial nudity or swearing or same sex options?


just because that person has a right to do so dosent mean its ok because that would be like saying well i know what should or shouldnt be in a game despite the ratings board rating on the cover


this opens up a huge opertunity to people who are against video game violence so how can you say those people are wrong and yet also agree they have a right to file that complaint?

so just because someone wants a game like gta to be banned would you say thats ok because its his or her right to file that motion with the ftc?

Except they didn't say "there won't be partial nudity, homosexuality or swearing" before, so its not false advertising, so FTC would ignore it...

again that still dosent change one christian filing a complaint saying there against same sex romances

it takes one individual to ruin something for everyone and for me the guy who went to the ftc makes me sad to be a mass effect fan now because now i have to worry about being thrown in for something i dont stand for

how is that for me or the small minority that like the game for what it is?

[Dandynermite]

Tazzmission wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

DanTheMilkman wrote...

We need to get more FTC complaints going about this.

um no we dont


if you think taking this federal is good than im sorry but you are wrong on so many levels


where will it stop?


should some anti same sex protesters file a complaint now since same sex choices are in games?

or how would you feel if someone filed a complaint to the ftc about game violence?


your opening a can of worms that you dont understand at all because this can be used for more than just a ending of a videogame

Lets say the movement all bought normal edition. That's £35 each. That means £2,100,000 has been paid into a company, one of whose promises was that the ending would be affected by choices. Thats £2,100,000 (I'm not including the thousands more that are upset by aren't on BSN, or the thousands more than are going to be upset, or the thousands more that cba to join the movement, nor the many of us who paid £54 for N7) gained by false advertising. If Bioware ignores those fans, then that is £2,100,000 (which is paid in, I know that is not all profit) that has been taking by decieving customers. That is worthy of a complaint to the FTC. 

Myself I won't complain yet, because I still have hope they could fix it. 

again you missed the point in generall. im saying just by this one guy he has opened up doors for other excuces to be filed

can you promise that some religious nut wont file a complaint do to partial nudity or swearing or same sex options?


just because that person has a right to do so dosent mean its ok because that would be like saying well i know what should or shouldnt be in a game despite the ratings board rating on the cover


this opens up a huge opertunity to people who are against video game violence so how can you say those people are wrong and yet also agree they have a right to file that complaint?

so just because someone wants a game like gta to be banned would you say thats ok because its his or her right to file that motion with the ftc?

Except they didn't say "there won't be partial nudity, homosexuality or swearing" before, so its not false advertising, so FTC would ignore it...

again that still dosent change one christian filing a complaint saying there against same sex romances

it takes one individual to ruin something for everyone and for me the guy who went to the ftc makes me sad to be a mass effect fan now because now i have to worry about being thrown in for something i dont stand for

how is that for me or the small minority that like the game for what it is?

How is it for us, the majority, that we get the ending we did?

[Ronin1325]

200mW LASER wrote...

We should sue humanity at being genetically stupid. The amount of idiotic
feedback is only a sign that people at certain ages are incapable of receiving
different input from that what they have been fed by cliché movies and games

One might argue that even the "Ending" was not dumbed down enough to suit the masses.
My personal advice is to the general public is that they should go watch ponies.At keast you will always have a happy ending there.

Why is the assumption that most who want a new ending want one that is 'dumbed down'? The current ending makes as much sense as- "So, if she weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood!" THAT is what most people have a problem with. Not the fact that there are no rainbows & unicorns.

[RocketManSR2]

In fairness to BioWare, saying "Oh, you guys are really going to hate the ending to ME3" isn't the best sales pitch.

- In the end, feeding a family and keeping a roof over your head >>>>>>>>>>>>>strangers on the internet every time.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 20 mars 2012 - 10:47 .

[Minimooo]

Kub666 wrote...

Hah, this is good.

My favorite, from Casey:

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C."

Nice. They really did troll us all.

This did make me chuckle. It's not A, B or C, it's just Red, Blue or Green!

[ragnorok87]

this link to a youtube perfectly describes frustration and hate toward the mass effect 3 ending. also it is done tastefully without swearing and being vulgar. please check this out

[Ronin1325]

ragnorok87 wrote...

this link to a youtube perfectly describes frustration and hate toward the mass effect 3 ending. also it is done tastefully without swearing and being vulgar. please check this out

Jahns does do a good job summing up most of the issues in 8min, ragnorok87, and he's pretty reasonable, but there *is* a fair amount of vulgarity.

[windkayak]

 :s

[MaleQuariansFTW]

Everyone who says BioWare has the artistic right because it's their story needs to see this thread.

[Tazzmission]

Dandynermite wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

DanTheMilkman wrote...

We need to get more FTC complaints going about this.

um no we dont


if you think taking this federal is good than im sorry but you are wrong on so many levels


where will it stop?


should some anti same sex protesters file a complaint now since same sex choices are in games?

or how would you feel if someone filed a complaint to the ftc about game violence?


your opening a can of worms that you dont understand at all because this can be used for more than just a ending of a videogame

Lets say the movement all bought normal edition. That's £35 each. That means £2,100,000 has been paid into a company, one of whose promises was that the ending would be affected by choices. Thats £2,100,000 (I'm not including the thousands more that are upset by aren't on BSN, or the thousands more than are going to be upset, or the thousands more that cba to join the movement, nor the many of us who paid £54 for N7) gained by false advertising. If Bioware ignores those fans, then that is £2,100,000 (which is paid in, I know that is not all profit) that has been taking by decieving customers. That is worthy of a complaint to the FTC. 

Myself I won't complain yet, because I still have hope they could fix it. 

again you missed the point in generall. im saying just by this one guy he has opened up doors for other excuces to be filed

can you promise that some religious nut wont file a complaint do to partial nudity or swearing or same sex options?


just because that person has a right to do so dosent mean its ok because that would be like saying well i know what should or shouldnt be in a game despite the ratings board rating on the cover


this opens up a huge opertunity to people who are against video game violence so how can you say those people are wrong and yet also agree they have a right to file that complaint?

so just because someone wants a game like gta to be banned would you say thats ok because its his or her right to file that motion with the ftc?

Except they didn't say "there won't be partial nudity, homosexuality or swearing" before, so its not false advertising, so FTC would ignore it...

again that still dosent change one christian filing a complaint saying there against same sex romances

it takes one individual to ruin something for everyone and for me the guy who went to the ftc makes me sad to be a mass effect fan now because now i have to worry about being thrown in for something i dont stand for

how is that for me or the small minority that like the game for what it is?

How is it for us, the majority, that we get the ending we did?

so you feel only the rpg fanbase is the only one should matter?

how is that going to sit well with the rest of the gaming world?

not everyone likes rpgs let alone full on discussions

so should that be ignored because a group of rpg fans think its the best buisness decision?

[sabasebatyne]

Tazzmission wrote...


so you feel only the rpg fanbase is the only one should matter?

how is that going to sit well with the rest of the gaming world?

not everyone likes rpgs let alone full on discussions

so should that be ignored because a group of rpg fans think its the best buisness decision?

Hi, Tazzmission. I'm going to assume that you mean well, and are just concerned with the future of this franchise. Let me start by saying that this concern for the franchise is something that we can agree on. I certainly can't speak for all ME3 fans, and I don't claim to represent the views of all "Retake ME3" members, but I do believe that meaningful dialog can be had on both sides of the fence. If you are interested in hearing about what "Retake" members are actually saying about the issue, I would direct your attention to these links:
https://twitter.com/#!/RetakeME3
https://www.facebook...gToMassEffect3
http://retakemasseffect.tumblr.com/

...and this discussion:
http://social.biowar...5/index/9512916

Personally, I don't think the existing endings should be "changed" at all, just expanded upon. And truthfully, new content can only be a good thing: those that want it can get it, those that don't want it won't have to. This would work for all fans of all kinds. My hope is that a solution can be found that benefits everyone. Regardless, respectful and thoughtful communication is necessary for this process.

[Volus Warlord]

It's not lies, it's marketing. Salesman's optimism.

Deal with it.

[thunderhawk862002]

Tazzmission wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

DanTheMilkman wrote...

We need to get more FTC complaints going about this.

um no we dont


if you think taking this federal is good than im sorry but you are wrong on so many levels


where will it stop?


should some anti same sex protesters file a complaint now since same sex choices are in games?

or how would you feel if someone filed a complaint to the ftc about game violence?


your opening a can of worms that you dont understand at all because this can be used for more than just a ending of a videogame

Lets say the movement all bought normal edition. That's £35 each. That means £2,100,000 has been paid into a company, one of whose promises was that the ending would be affected by choices. Thats £2,100,000 (I'm not including the thousands more that are upset by aren't on BSN, or the thousands more than are going to be upset, or the thousands more that cba to join the movement, nor the many of us who paid £54 for N7) gained by false advertising. If Bioware ignores those fans, then that is £2,100,000 (which is paid in, I know that is not all profit) that has been taking by decieving customers. That is worthy of a complaint to the FTC. 

Myself I won't complain yet, because I still have hope they could fix it. 

again you missed the point in generall. im saying just by this one guy he has opened up doors for other excuces to be filed

can you promise that some religious nut wont file a complaint do to partial nudity or swearing or same sex options?


just because that person has a right to do so dosent mean its ok because that would be like saying well i know what should or shouldnt be in a game despite the ratings board rating on the cover


this opens up a huge opertunity to people who are against video game violence so how can you say those people are wrong and yet also agree they have a right to file that complaint?

so just because someone wants a game like gta to be banned would you say thats ok because its his or her right to file that motion with the ftc?

Except they didn't say "there won't be partial nudity, homosexuality or swearing" before, so its not false advertising, so FTC would ignore it...

again that still dosent change one christian filing a complaint saying there against same sex romances

it takes one individual to ruin something for everyone and for me the guy who went to the ftc makes me sad to be a mass effect fan now because now i have to worry about being thrown in for something i dont stand for

how is that for me or the small minority that like the game for what it is?

If it only takes one individual to get you thrown in to something you don't stand for, maybe you should actually whine about the people throwing you in?  Either it's too much work for you to change people's false assumptions or your brand of logic makes about as much sense as the endings.

[Aesieru]

Yeah assets didn't matter and a lot of other things didn't either, we barely made many decisions and the Rachni didn't matter really either.

[Viyu]

dbal wrote...

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I get that you're very disappointed but this isn't of a magnitude serious enough for the FTC. I don't like the endings and I generally support the Retake movement, but this is outside the FTC's interests.

Technically speaking the FTC can intervene because of the scale of complaint. There is clear liability on the part of Bioware to fulfill its obligations in example the numerous citations that the game will use the gamer's data to affect the end product. This alone constitute gross violation of consumer protection. The fact that you were promised something in the development of a product only to find out that its not the actual product you specified.

They created a game people enjoy.......wait how can the FTC do anything?

If someone didnt like the game then they dont have to play it. If someone reads a book and didnt enjoy it, they dont have to read it. Its bioware's product and their IP. The fans have no rights to it. There is no entitlement for the fans.

But how were people going to know that they were lied to unless they played the games? Granted, I went on youtube to figure it out, but for those people who weren't aware of the leaks, etc. going on... for those people who don't care to be informed through the internet, how else were they going to figure out that they were lied to until AFTER they bought the product? Some people didn't want to see spoilers, because they had trust that they were getting what they promised. People typically don't buy something with the intent of playing something to disappoint themselves. I heard from a friend that there was going to be a problem with the game so I decided to wait, and do some research after people finished playing it. I'm glad I did before I decided to buy this, but I can understand why many others didn't.

Also, OP. *points to sig* you missed a quote I think.

Modifié par Viyu, 21 mars 2012 - 02:26 .

[VC Braska]

The amount of crap your giving these people....is crazy. Bioware did nothing wrong...stop whining. You beat the game obviously. That's how it is. Let it go...You are going to end up screwing things up beyond anything you can imagine...If you want to make a game with a particular ending...Learn how to make games and go make it...otherwise shut up and respect the artists vision.

[Ronin1325]

Viyu wrote...

dbal wrote...

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I get that you're very disappointed but this isn't of a magnitude serious enough for the FTC. I don't like the endings and I generally support the Retake movement, but this is outside the FTC's interests.

Technically speaking the FTC can intervene because of the scale of complaint. There is clear liability on the part of Bioware to fulfill its obligations in example the numerous citations that the game will use the gamer's data to affect the end product. This alone constitute gross violation of consumer protection. The fact that you were promised something in the development of a product only to find out that its not the actual product you specified.

They created a game people enjoy.......wait how can the FTC do anything?

If someone didnt like the game then they dont have to play it. If someone reads a book and didnt enjoy it, they dont have to read it. Its bioware's product and their IP. The fans have no rights to it. There is no entitlement for the fans.

But how were people going to know that they were lied to unless they played the games? Granted, I went on youtube to figure it out, but for those people who weren't aware of the leaks, etc. going on... for those people who don't care to be informed through the internet, how else were they going to figure out that they were lied to until AFTER they bought the product? Some people didn't want to see spoilers, because they had trust that they were getting what they promised. People typically don't buy something with the intent of playing something to disappoint themselves. I heard from a friend that there was going to be a problem with the game so I decided to wait, and do some research after people finished playing it. I'm glad I did before I decided to buy this, but I can understand why many others didn't.

There's the rub, you'd have to play through it and get to the *ending* before you can come to the realization that the ending is... like it is. The advertising was definitely false & misleading, too many statements are the polar opposite of what the ending actually is for it to be merely 'salesman's optimism' as another poster said.

[Ronin1325]

VC Braska wrote...

The amount of crap your giving these people....is crazy. Bioware did nothing wrong...stop whining. You beat the game obviously. That's how it is. Let it go...You are going to end up screwing things up beyond anything you can imagine...If you want to make a game with a particular ending...Learn how to make games and go make it...otherwise shut up and respect the artists vision.

Customers who are given false advertising about what the product they buy is, are completely logical & fair in voicing their complaints.

[Game_Fan_85]

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the
lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers,
being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an
end.”

Casey you silly, Javik is the way to learn these things and it was never planned as part of the full game remember?  Afterall, you would never "take the lore out the game and sell as day 1 DLC", right?  I am sure I read someone say that....oh yes, it was you.

Modifié par Game_Fan_85, 21 mars 2012 - 02:50 .

[thunderhawk862002]

VC Braska wrote...

The amount of crap your giving these people....is crazy. Bioware did nothing wrong...stop whining. You beat the game obviously. That's how it is. Let it go...You are going to end up screwing things up beyond anything you can imagine...If you want to make a game with a particular ending...Learn how to make games and go make it...otherwise shut up and respect the artists vision.

Wrong.  It's not ok for a burger joint to advertise that they sell a wide variety of burgers with dozens of fixings available when the actual offering looks like this.  Choose from 1 style of bun, 1 size and number of patties, 1 slice of American cheese, 3 different sauces Teriyaki, BBQ and none,  and the fixings selection has 3x sizes of onions, 3x sizes of tomatoes, 3x sizes of pickles, 3x sizes of mushrooms, Ketchup, Mustard and Relish.  That's called deceptive advertising.  That's one some people, including myself, say Bioware/EA has done.

[HolmesLovesGuinness]

VC Braska wrote...

The amount of crap your giving these people....is crazy. Bioware did nothing wrong...stop whining. You beat the game obviously. That's how it is. Let it go...You are going to end up screwing things up beyond anything you can imagine...If you want to make a game with a particular ending...Learn how to make games and go make it...otherwise shut up and respect the artists vision.

So you think that all of the design decisions in this game were made by the 'artists', not the bean counters, and the ending is exactly what the 'artists' intended? No chance that perhaps the ending was rushed and half-finished because, oh, I dunno, they decided to tack on a multiplayer component to appeal to a wider audience and that maybe, just maybe, they had to cut some corners to reduce their development time / costs by 'trimming' the final act a bit? There are a whole lot of people b*tching about this game who are long time fans of Bioware (me among them) - I never, ever thought I would find myself bashing them but this game unfortunately deserves it.

Modifié par HolmesLovesGuinness, 21 mars 2012 - 03:05 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Tazzmission wrote...

so you feel only the rpg fanbase is the only one should matter?

how is that going to sit well with the rest of the gaming world?

not everyone likes rpgs let alone full on discussions

so should that be ignored because a group of rpg fans think its the best buisness decision?

...........I know it would be best to just ignore you, but wow, this is just.........

[thunderhawk862002]

VC Braska wrote...

The amount of crap your giving these people....is crazy. Bioware did nothing wrong...stop whining. You beat the game obviously. That's how it is. Let it go...You are going to end up screwing things up beyond anything you can imagine...If you want to make a game with a particular ending...Learn how to make games and go make it...otherwise shut up and respect the artists vision.

I forgot to comment.  The 'artists' vision?  That might have more meaning if the original team that made Mass Effect werestill together.  This is only a few artists' vision that may or may not be in line the other artists' vision.  What if Drew Karpyshyn had a different way he wanted to end it?  Or does the artist only matter when they are still on the development team?

[Chaoswind]

Mass Effect was sold as a RPG shooter and till the very end is a ROLE PLAYING GAME "shooter"

Anyways Everyone that bought this game has EVERY right to voice their complains in whatever way they desire, some may be extreme but is your right to voice it, I didn't know we lived in North Korea