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[The Executioner]

I'm going to try to get my money back from the guide on thursday on the grounds that it is inaccurate and therefore useless , wish me luck.

[BioJaegar]

"There will be no A, B, or C endings."

Bioware is so good at trolling it's not even funny. Rarely does an ending ruin a game- even rarer does it ruin an entire trilogy.

Mission accomplished.

[Zambayoshi]

Well done OP. For me it's less about the content of the ending than all of the hype turning out to be misleading.

My guess is that for there to be the variety and variability in the ending that Bioware talked about, it would involve a SIGNIFICANT outlay, and, for EA, that outlay was not justified in that it would not lead to a significant increase in revenue (unlike multiplayer). EA wants resources invested in areas that will make the most profit, and I guess they thought that doing multiple grand finale endings was just not worth it. It is sad, but I expect to see more and more AAA games do this.

The choices you see in the ME games are really just an illusion of choice. They might change dialogue responses and the presence or absence of various characters, but I think that choices that lead to a lot of extra animation/design work are few and far between for the reason I have just outlined.

That's my theory anyway. If Bioware had unlimited funding, I'm sure the game would still be unreleased and they would be working on multiple branching storylines / endings that would satisfy everyone. Unfortunately, EA needs a return on investment of a certain percentage within a certain time period.

[Squallypo]

BioJaegar wrote...

"There will be no A, B, or C endings."

Bioware is so good at trolling it's not even funny. Rarely does an ending ruin a game- even rarer does it ruin an entire trilogy.

Mission accomplished.

which leads me to this..

[Legion64]

Squallypo wrote...

BioJaegar wrote...

"There will be no A, B, or C endings."

Bioware is so good at trolling it's not even funny. Rarely does an ending ruin a game- even rarer does it ruin an entire trilogy.

Mission accomplished.

which leads me to this..

So they did lie eh?

[Lycius]

Tazzmission wrote...

DanTheMilkman wrote...

We need to get more FTC complaints going about this.

um no we dont


if you think taking this federal is good than im sorry but you are wrong on so many levels


where will it stop?


should some anti same sex protesters file a complaint now since same sex choices are in games?

or how would you feel if someone filed a complaint to the ftc about game violence?


your opening a can of worms that you dont understand at all because this can be used for more than just a ending of a videogame

So you're saying that it's ok for game publishers to not have to follow the same consumer protection laws as every other industry?

Simple fact is that selling a product based on not having to launch MP to get the best ending, and then delivering one that you do is called "Bait and Switch."

Bait and Switch is illegal in the USA.

The reporting agency which you contact for Bait and Switch complaints is the FTC.

Continuing to ignore the actual stated reason for the complaint and crying "You just didn't like the ending" repeatedly is just dumb.

Modifié par Lycius, 21 mars 2012 - 04:09 .

[thunderhawk862002]

Zambayoshi wrote...

Well done OP. For me it's less about the content of the ending than all of the hype turning out to be misleading.

My guess is that for there to be the variety and variability in the ending that Bioware talked about, it would involve a SIGNIFICANT outlay, and, for EA, that outlay was not justified in that it would not lead to a significant increase in revenue (unlike multiplayer). EA wants resources invested in areas that will make the most profit, and I guess they thought that doing multiple grand finale endings was just not worth it. It is sad, but I expect to see more and more AAA games do this.

The choices you see in the ME games are really just an illusion of choice. They might change dialogue responses and the presence or absence of various characters, but I think that choices that lead to a lot of extra animation/design work are few and far between for the reason I have just outlined.

That's my theory anyway. If Bioware had unlimited funding, I'm sure the game would still be unreleased and they would be working on multiple branching storylines / endings that would satisfy everyone. Unfortunately, EA needs a return on investment of a certain percentage within a certain time period.

Well it depends.  All it would take is a certain character to survive and certain things not blowing up and it would have been fairly easy and cheap to do.  Personally I would have been satisfied with a DA:O epilogue if the previous statement held true. Followed by a post epilogue scene with your LI.  

[Squallypo]

Legion64 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

BioJaegar wrote...

"There will be no A, B, or C endings."

Bioware is so good at trolling it's not even funny. Rarely does an ending ruin a game- even rarer does it ruin an entire trilogy.

Mission accomplished.

which leads me to this..

So they did lie eh?

well yeah because the a,b,c choices are the same thing so theres not really much for us to decide about ? its just a one way ending just like any other regular game, so yes they lied 

[Game_Fan_85]

Dandynermite wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Except they didn't say "there won't be partial nudity, homosexuality or swearing" before, so its not false advertising, so FTC would ignore it...

again that still dosent change one christian filing a complaint saying they're against same sex romances

That's a bit of a silly comparison, "gays" are not illegal so the moron could file it if they wanted to but it would be rightfully dismissed.

Modifié par Game_Fan_85, 21 mars 2012 - 04:36 .

[JFedora]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i should file a sute against the fans because you all give me a headache and making me suffer from stress

seriously just stop

I am seriously interested in your thoughts on the topic.  I will give them great thought.  Can you tell me what you did like about the fans who are giving you problems?

I am sure that in the 2 days since this was posted, someone else has complimented you on it. I think it is worth re-mentioning.

This is absolutely the greatest response ever given to anyone ever. The fact that he totally missed your point just makes it funnier.

[thunderhawk862002]

JFedora wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i should file a sute against the fans because you all give me a headache and making me suffer from stress

seriously just stop

I am seriously interested in your thoughts on the topic.  I will give them great thought.  Can you tell me what you did like about the fans who are giving you problems?

I am sure that in the 2 days since this was posted, someone else has complimented you on it. I think it is worth re-mentioning.

This is absolutely the greatest response ever given to anyone ever. The fact that he totally missed your point just makes it funnier.

Haha, thanks for noticing. I don't think so but I haven't read every page.  I'm glad someone got the joke.  I should use it more often to get across how we're feeling about the lack of serious communication.

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 21 mars 2012 - 05:11 .

[CyberMiguel]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's tone down the rage a few steps , and eliminate the name-calling and insults. Thank you.

 
I read no insults in the original post, just the plain TRUTH.

Or people that blatantly LIE should be addressed as "truth trimmers" or "truth beautifiers"?

You lied, Bioware....you LIED. =(

Modifié par CyberMiguel, 21 mars 2012 - 05:11 .

[ragnorok87]

if bioware does not give me the endings i shall personally curse them all ofea and all of their future descendents to pain suffering and misery.... hey that sounds like i felt when i saw the mass effect 3 ending

[Chaoswind]

overreacting much?

Save money for D3

[Rodia Driftwood]

/edit I want to defend BioWare by saying that a certain character in their company(not naming anyone to avoid problems)that probaby does a terrible job at leading his/her team, but is very good at doing PR conferences. This character is a cynical liar who is in the industry for making money rather than making videogames.

This character probably DOES like making videogames, but he just lost touch and with that, talent and care for details.

This is all(of course), just assumptions and I'm just talking out of my ass, but before I can make any statements, wether they are positive or negative towards one of my most beloved videogame developers, I want someone from the staff who was very closely involved in the game's development, to tell me one of two things:


A) We're sorry we lied to you. You're right. This is just business and you're just costumers.





We're sorry you didn't like the ending, but that IS what we planned for the game.




Now, both statements could clarify a lot of things; Statement A sets me at ease, because I am now 100% certain that this company no longer cares for their games or just cares more for the money which(honetly) is a fair notion. I won't blame them. Charlie Chapln once said he only got into the comedy act for the money.

The second statement is the one that I can't seem to trust. The game's tone and emotion was perfect until the ending. I refuse to believe that they ran out of ideas by the last hour of creative writing. But even still. If that's the truth, then I'm okay with it. I fervently believe that's not the case, but meh...



I still cling to the possibility that they are just being pushed by EA  with insane date lines and their heartless, greedy intentions. This is taking its toll in their talent and ability to make a good game which I still believe they have.

Modifié par Rodia Driftwood, 21 mars 2012 - 06:27 .

[Hibernating]

Cheers Mr Woo.
Also, on a side note Dreez, they didnt break any advertising laws. So you should probably drop it

[Jononarf]

"Take back Earth," did we? Or did we screw it over?

[Mars8309]

How about the lists they claimed was going be in the game a few months before the game came out?

[FemmeShep]

Lycius wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

DanTheMilkman wrote...

We need to get more FTC complaints going about this.

um no we dont


if you think taking this federal is good than im sorry but you are wrong on so many levels


where will it stop?


should some anti same sex protesters file a complaint now since same sex choices are in games?

or how would you feel if someone filed a complaint to the ftc about game violence?


your opening a can of worms that you dont understand at all because this can be used for more than just a ending of a videogame

So you're saying that it's ok for game publishers to not have to follow the same consumer protection laws as every other industry?

Simple fact is that selling a product based on not having to launch MP to get the best ending, and then delivering one that you do is called "Bait and Switch."

Bait and Switch is illegal in the USA.

The reporting agency which you contact for Bait and Switch complaints is the FTC.

Continuing to ignore the actual stated reason for the complaint and crying "You just didn't like the ending" repeatedly is just dumb.

This and then some. I find it truly bizarre at how far people are willing to defend BioWare or game corporations. Fact is, they promised features and advertised their game a certain way, and it didn't live up to that. 

As a consumer who paid for that product that was advertised as such, they owe that much to you. If this was any other industry, this would not get a pass so easily. 

[Hurbster]

 

[joiner87]

 HOLD THE LINE

Modifié par joiner87, 21 mars 2012 - 07:42 .

[Drimberly]

Tazzmission wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

says the guy who screams conspiracy and hijacks possitive threads all the time

look in the mirrior next time you want to argue on how the world centers around anyone you 
narcissistic troll

Says the guy who can no longer use a "minority"/"majority" argument and thus labels everyone who doesn't agree with him a cult member and is the one who actually hijacks threads..... and I'm the one who needs to look in a mirror.

Should I go through here and count and list how many people you have insulted in this thread alone? Or how many threads where you respond every 5 minutes to every post ever? Yeah... it's like that. And I'm the troll.

Here's something you may not know. Nobody likes you or respects anything you have to say anymore. Nobody.

at least i dont go around proclaiming to be martin luther king or the womens movment wile hiding behind a chairty

i dont care if you do or dont like me but you are going to repsect me 

You make me laugh . Also the leader a couple posts back? Lol. Improve your grammer bra!
Also the OP's quotes...Bah. Al these put together make Bioware seem so much more evil....

[Danaih]

I am astonished at the massive amount of lies they spouted prior to releasing ME3. I had only seen a few of those comments prior to launch, and had been excitedly awaiting playing and replaying the game several times over... but that desire has gone down the drain as it has no replay value to me. I am beginning to enter the phase where I give up on Bioware fixing things, giving us more choice in endings, having them make sense, fixing the non-squad ME2 relationships, etc. The company won't see another penny from me unless they deal with us in a truthful manner, answer our questions and concerns, and give/charge us for what they 'promised' us.

P.S. Yes, I thought the rest of the game outside of the endings was pretty fantastic... although I was on a Garrus-romancer at the time, so apparently I lucked out; I can't bear to bring over my Thane-gal, and I refuse to bring over my Kaidan-gal as it'd just be the same game/ending all over again.

[Dexi]

Lol, u mad? Sueing Bioware? LOL!?
For what?

Things from that list aren't even lies, just things fans misinterpreted and made better.
You got nothing else better to do than compile a list of things you subjectively classify as lies and go serious about a sue on Bioware?



In moments like this I wish the Reapers were real and they'd drop on the heads of people like these...