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[Sugaki]

To be fair, pretty much every game developer promises that "zomgz this will have cool features X, Y and Z!!11"... and features end up being cursory or lame.

On the flip side, Bioware established a precedent for choice in ME1, ME2.

[Buffy-Summers]

Alot of the people fighting so hard against the people upset with the ending confuse me.

I have no problem with them. But they confuse me, why would you come out so strongly for EA and Bioware and this ending?

Why would you care if people have a problem with the way things were done?

If you like the ending, should it matter if others dont?

Im just confused.

Why so much ironclad defense of EA/Bioware?

[bennyjammin79]

You forgot Santa, the Easter Bunny, the American Dream and Jesus.

[Dandynermite]

Buffy-Summers wrote...

Alot of the people fighting so hard against the people upset with the ending confuse me.

I have no problem with them. But they confuse me, why would you come out so strongly for EA and Bioware and this ending?

Why would you care if people have a problem with the way things were done?

If you like the ending, should it matter if others dont?

Im just confused.

Why so much ironclad defense of EA/Bioware?

Its actually only like 15 of them. Just they post on every thread and act as though they are the majority. In fact they are vocal, but an incredibly small minority. Their 'defend Bioware' movement has 500 members, we have 60,000

[Elhanan]

Buffy-Summers wrote...

Alot of the people fighting so hard against the people upset with the ending confuse me.

I have no problem with them. But they confuse me, why would you come out so strongly for EA and Bioware and this ending?

Why would you care if people have a problem with the way things were done?

If you like the ending, should it matter if others dont?

Im just confused.

Why so much ironclad defense of EA/Bioware?

Personally, I do not mind constructive crit posted in a respectful manner. But after a dozen or more yrs on the boards, I tire of the rants, use of profanity (and the omission of vowels does not work), spammed images, and most recently; concerted efforts to tank a product that they do not like. The latter is unethical, IMO.

Pls write the reviews, use more adv intel for the next like purchase, and move along without tossing all the veggies.

[Elhanan]

Dandynermite wrote...

Its actually only like 15 of them. Just they post on every thread and act as though they are the majority. In fact they are vocal, but an incredibly small minority. Their 'defend Bioware' movement has 500 members, we have 60,000

No; 15 is about the number of endings that may be possible in ME3.

And I like the way your stats are so accurate....

[Neizd]

Great list of broken promises! Also I recall there was an early movie on YT that showed that we can shoot enemies in the legs and they will crawl towars us...well we don't have. Actually compared to ME2, ME3 is for me, an unfinished game. BW had game engine ready, what they needed to add was:

- New maps, New dialoques and New 3D models.

What we got exacly is:
- Great main quest (with worst ending possible)
- Automatic, lazy made dialoque with no option for OUR Shepard to speak like we want...
- Lazy made fetch-type quests with bad working journal (can't even say that those are RPG quests)
- Lazy made photoshoped Tali image (way to ruin 5 years of mystery Quarian apperance)
- Commodore64 music in Shepard cabin
- Zero possibility to upgrade normandy
- Zero vehicles
- Zero suprise quests like in ME2 when you could scan planets and find some strange signal...it was always a suprise what we discovered.
- 6...wow...6 whole multiplayer maps with 3 types of enemies! That's awesome...not.
- Some players got kinect to use...oh too bad that not everyone has the possibility.

I really hope that one day we will be able to download 5 GB patch that will add everything that the game is missing because I really feel like we got half of the game after 2 whole years of waiting.

EDIT. Right now even downloading pirate copy seems like waste of time, even if I didn't downloaded any :| The game is really not worth more than 20$

Modifié par Neizd, 21 mars 2012 - 10:02 .

[Major Maiming]

Dandynermite wrote...

Buffy-Summers wrote...

Alot of the people fighting so hard against the people upset with the ending confuse me.

I have no problem with them. But they confuse me, why would you come out so strongly for EA and Bioware and this ending?

Why would you care if people have a problem with the way things were done?

If you like the ending, should it matter if others dont?

Im just confused.

Why so much ironclad defense of EA/Bioware?

Its actually only like 15 of them. Just they post on every thread and act as though they are the majority. In fact they are vocal, but an incredibly small minority. Their 'defend Bioware' movement has 500 members, we have 60,000

While everyone's entitled to an opinion, I think defense of these endings is a bit of a split playing field. The vast majority contest the endings (as do I) but without Bioware having created the games in the first place we wouldn't be having this conversation, I have faith that Bioware will correct these despite their cryptic attitudes.

In my experience game producers (and distributors) love to play 'smoke and mirrors' making us think one thing just to turn us around two minutes later. While the endings are nothing short of a catastrophically enormous middle finger to the loyal (and paying) fans, knowing Bioware since my own debut in the gaming community I am confident they'll listen to us and put right the wrongs.

Really, they should be correcting these for their own good, as their obligation is to we the consumers; to clarify, should they meet the clamouring voices and the saber rattling with continued cryptic messages and no closure to our most beloved series, then they WILL lose customers, not me I'm a Bioware fanboy, but there will be plenty of people who won't be so sympathetic to the situation... I'm not givingmy opinion, I'm just commenting on the current situation, I know plenty of people who are turning their backs on not only the series but the Bioware brand, many of which have already sold their copies of ME3 there are plenty of examples in these forums as it is.
Come on Bioware don't sit on your hands too long:whistle:

[RaggieRags]

Buffy-Summers wrote...

Alot of the people fighting so hard against the people upset with the ending confuse me.

I have no problem with them. But they confuse me, why would you come out so strongly for EA and Bioware and this ending?

Why would you care if people have a problem with the way things were done?

If you like the ending, should it matter if others dont?

Im just confused.

Why so much ironclad defense of EA/Bioware?

I've been wondering about the same thing.

I've just played ME1 through once, so I'm personally not that invested in this. I'm no longer in a hurry to finish the trilogy, but I'm not angry or sad or anything. However, I can understand why so many people are feeling very upset even if I don't share the sentiment. What I don't understand is why some people are so up and in arms against these people. Yes, they are at odds with Bioware ..How is that any business of yours? You were happy with the game, good for you! Let these people just vent if it makes them feel any better. Their opinions aren't made invalid just because you happen to think differently. I'm sure more than one opinion can fit in here.

[Rinor]

Bioware is the most ignorant developer in modern gaming industry.

[Headrusher]

Buffy-Summers wrote...

Alot of the people fighting so hard against the people upset with the ending confuse me.

I have no problem with them. But they confuse me, why would you come out so strongly for EA and Bioware and this ending?

Why would you care if people have a problem with the way things were done?

If you like the ending, should it matter if others dont?

Im just confused.

Why so much ironclad defense of EA/Bioware?

The same reason poor folks in the Midwest/Southern states come to the defense of rich Republicans who don't give a rat's ___ about them.

It's hilarious that they believe by defending EA/Bioware they will BENEFIT somehow... when it'll just perpetuate the practice of lying to customers...as if that's a good thing.

[Elhanan]

Rinor wrote...

Bioware is the most ignorant developer in modern gaming industry.

Well, they do have some fans that fit this crietria....

[TjM78]

I'm gonna sue the Red Sox for tanking last year damnit!

[Elhanan]

RaggieRags wrote...

I've been wondering about the same thing.

I've just played ME1 through once, so I'm personally not that invested in this. I'm no longer in a hurry to finish the trilogy, but I'm not angry or sad or anything. However, I can understand why so many people are feeling very upset even if I don't share the sentiment. What I don't understand is why some people are so up and in arms against these people. Yes, they are at odds with Bioware ..How is that any business of yours? You were happy with the game, good for you! Let these people just vent if it makes them feel any better. Their opinions aren't made invalid just because you happen to think differently. I'm sure more than one opinion can fit in here.

Because allowing bad behaviour to go unchallenged aids the miscreant, and it becomes easier to repeat the offense. Ask historians; sure a few might be able to give examples.

As for me, I simply tire of the public wailing and gnashing of teeth due to their own disagreement with art. If they want something else, then craft it themselves; and quietly, pls.

[AkiKishi]

Headrusher wrote...

The same reason poor folks in the Midwest/Southern states come to the defense of rich Republicans who don't give a rat's ___ about them.

It's hilarious that they believe by defending EA/Bioware they will BENEFIT somehow... when it'll just perpetuate the practice of lying to customers...as if that's a good thing.

It's pretty simple really It's fear. Kind of like a drug addict defending his stash.No more Bioware , no more games.

Of course trying to sell that logic to a non addict is never going to work. 

[turian councilor Knockout]

Wonderful Bioware, they sure can teach me a thing or two about lying or stretching the truth !

[Ronin1325]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Headrusher wrote...

The same reason poor folks in the Midwest/Southern states come to the defense of rich Republicans who don't give a rat's ___ about them.

It's hilarious that they believe by defending EA/Bioware they will BENEFIT somehow... when it'll just perpetuate the practice of lying to customers...as if that's a good thing.

It's pretty simple really It's fear. Kind of like a drug addict defending his stash.No more Bioware , no more games.

Of course trying to sell that logic to a non addict is never going to work. 

You & Headrusher are spot on. Corporate 'loyalty' to the consumer is a bad fiction. They are like a hungry Tiger. You can have some affection for it, but don't think it's your Pal & try to pet it, or you will lose a limb. (Or in this case, $60-80).

[A Paperback Hero]

T1l wrote...

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I get that you're very disappointed but this isn't of a magnitude serious enough for the FTC. I don't like the endings and I generally support the Retake movement, but this is outside the FTC's interests.

Technically speaking the FTC can intervene because of the scale of complaint. There is clear liability on the part of Bioware to fulfill its obligations in example the numerous citations that the game will use the gamer's data to affect the end product. This alone constitute gross violation of consumer protection. The fact that you were promised something in the development of a product only to find out that its not the actual product you specified.

If the Fair Trade Commission gets involved in this, even if they look sideways at this, it sets a bad precedent. I purchase a book with the belief that I am going to enjoy it; for example A Song of Ice and Fire. I get invested in the characters; for example, Ned Stark. George R.R. Martin decides in his infinite wisdom to remove said character in a way that I find particularly unappealing - do I have a right to go to the Fair Trade Commission?

Not sure the Fair Trade Commission can get involded with something so... grey(?) as personal preference and opinion.

George R.R. Martin has never made the mistake of advertising what his endings will be or how an ending will be applied in his story. Don't think he has anything to worry about. If Bioware didn't want this happening they should of just stayed tight-lipped about the ending no matter what the question.

[Ronin1325]

A Paperback Hero wrote...

T1l wrote...

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I get that you're very disappointed but this isn't of a magnitude serious enough for the FTC. I don't like the endings and I generally support the Retake movement, but this is outside the FTC's interests.

Technically speaking the FTC can intervene because of the scale of complaint. There is clear liability on the part of Bioware to fulfill its obligations in example the numerous citations that the game will use the gamer's data to affect the end product. This alone constitute gross violation of consumer protection. The fact that you were promised something in the development of a product only to find out that its not the actual product you specified.

If the Fair Trade Commission gets involved in this, even if they look sideways at this, it sets a bad precedent. I purchase a book with the belief that I am going to enjoy it; for example A Song of Ice and Fire. I get invested in the characters; for example, Ned Stark. George R.R. Martin decides in his infinite wisdom to remove said character in a way that I find particularly unappealing - do I have a right to go to the Fair Trade Commission?

Not sure the Fair Trade Commission can get involded with something so... grey(?) as personal preference and opinion.

George R.R. Martin has never made the mistake of advertising what his endings will be or how an ending will be applied in his story. Don't think he has anything to worry about. If Bioware didn't want this happening they should of just stayed tight-lipped about the ending no matter what the question.

Ding! +1 internets for A Paperback Hero.

[_symphony]

Elhanan wrote...
As for me, I simply tire of the public wailing and gnashing of teeth due to their own disagreement with art. If they want something else, then craft it themselves; and quietly, pls.

heh, there's nothing artsy about the ending, from a literary standpoint, the ending is terrible. Supporting it goes against art in videogames. 

The ending we have is a product of impossible deadlines, not of art.

[RaggieRags]

Elhanan wrote...
Because allowing bad behaviour to go unchallenged aids the miscreant, and it becomes easier to repeat the offense. Ask historians; sure a few might be able to give examples.

I don't think it's our job or even right to become backseat moderators. All members are are on the same level here, and I don't think it's fair to try to dictate other people's opinions.

It's useless too. Nobody is going to feel better about the endings because someone on the Internet says they are being idiots and should grow up. It's just going to make them feel even worse. It's also going to make the whole community feel more hostile, which is unfortunate even for people like me who are not invested in the whole argument.

Modifié par RaggieRags, 21 mars 2012 - 11:57 .

[lumen11]

Some pretty big exaggerations, but lies...? I do get how such promises can seriously warp expectations (as well as the previous games of course).

Most of that stuff is pretty much true if you see the whole battle for earth as the ending. I expect that's how the writers look at it.

[Elhanan]

Funny; I see it as our duty for all of as a Community to try and insure proper behaviour, and to speak out and report it when it is not

[RaggieRags]

Elhanan wrote...

Funny; I see it as our duty for all of as a Community to try and insure proper behaviour, and to speak out and report it when it is not

The only people whose proper behaviour we are responsible for is ourselves. Policing each other with abuse is not in itself proper behaviour.

[XTR3M3]

I wouldn't have felt cheated by the ending if BioWare hadn't misrepresented the ending as much as they did. If they had said,...
"We are going to give players a unique set of endings that has a major twist and goes in a completely different direction than the story. We felt like we needed to deviate from past Mass Effect endings to bring this series to a close." THEN I would have been OK with it.....or at least ready for it. They didn't do that though. They hyped it to be EVEN MORE than the endings we has in ME1 and ME2 and then didn't deliver.