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[Elhanan]

XTR3M3 wrote...

I wouldn't have felt cheated by the ending if BioWare hadn't misrepresented the ending as much as they did. If they had said,...
"We are going to give players a unique set of endings that has a major twist and goes in a completely different direction than the story. We felt like we needed to deviate from past Mass Effect endings to bring this series to a close." THEN I would have been OK with it.....or at least ready for it. They didn't do that though. They hyped it to be EVEN MORE than the endings we has in ME1 and ME2 and then didn't deliver.

Perhaps they have delivered it, but some do not like it. Having seen one ending, I submit the only thing needed in the final scene was "Dust In the Wind" by Kansas.

[Dreez]

I dug up some videos containing interviews with ME3 developers when i had some spare time,
and what's funny was that each of them repeatedly said "we're listening to the fans" over and
over again like it was a mantra. So where does that show now?. You give the most horrible
ending, give us the worst possible quest-management system, and take away our ability to
team up with old friends for any length of time.

The roster SUCKED. You'd expect as a fan to continue to play with your old buddies,
bunch, the wild bunch. And during all this time, all this talk during your interviews where you
claim to constantly upgrade the engine, how come the characters still look like puppets?.

What happened to the "Your decisions in game 1 & 2 will have great effect on ME3's outcome"..

A straight out lie.

[Reever]

I really can´t wrap my head around why Mac said we didn´t need more answers from Starchild. On the one hand, they tell us EVERYTHING will be answered in ME3, on the other hand they say it wasn´t needed afterwards, so they can preserve the mystery. I mean, come on, pick a side. Or do it so we can get both. That´s really good storytelling.

[Elhanan]

Dreez wrote...

I dug up some videos containing interviews with ME3 developers when i had some spare time,
and what's funny was that each of them repeatedly said "we're listening to the fans" over and
over again like it was a mantra. So where does that show now?. You give the most horrible
ending, give us the worst possible quest-management system, and take away our ability to
team up with old friends for any length of time.

The roster SUCKED. You'd expect as a fan to continue to play with your old buddies,
bunch, the wild bunch. And during all this time, all this talk during your interviews where you
claim to constantly upgrade the engine, how come the characters still look like puppets?.

What happened to the "Your decisions in game 1 & 2 will have great effect on ME3's outcome"..

A straight out lie.

How so? There are many choices made in the prequels, so unless one is knowledgable about the full range of decisions and scripting, the only endings seen thus far are the ones viewed in game with those  same choices,. Even watching the various endings on youtube does not reveal what choices were made prior to the conclusion.

Speculation and conjecture, with a sprinkle of all capped vitriol. IMO.

[xIREDEEMEDIx]

wow, look....another list of lies thread

[XTR3M3]

Elhanan wrote...
How so? There are many choices made in the prequels, so unless one is knowledgable about the full range of decisions and scripting, the only endings seen thus far are the ones viewed in game with those  same choices,. Even watching the various endings on youtube does not reveal what choices were made prior to the conclusion.

Speculation and conjecture, with a sprinkle of all capped vitriol. IMO.

I don't quite get what you are saying. Are you for the ending with this or against it? I can play ME3 with a complete paragon carefully managed throughout all 3 games and I get the SAME 3 ENDINGS that I get with a renegade that was a total jerk as long as my EMS (effective military strength) is above the perscribed bar required to have all 3 "choices" available.

That is not choice, that is not having past choices you made in this and the previous games affect the ending like they promised. The only thing that matters is the EMS. You can play this series 100 different times and the ending choices come down to one thing....what your EMS is. That is the only choice you have....whether to do things in the game to get your EMS up high enough to see all their "endings". That is NOT what we were promised in their hype.

EDIT
the co founder said they would address this issue soon. I hope they can fix this. If they can, this game will go down as one of the greatest game series of all time. If not, it will go down as the greatest series that almost was.

Modifié par XTR3M3, 21 mars 2012 - 04:32 .

[puppy maclove]

Hurbster wrote...

 

Nice!!!... ME 3 now with added Multiplayer that does affect the Sp ending dispite all the other promises to the contrary... another BW LIE!!!!

[abaris]

Dreez wrote...

I dug up some videos containing interviews with ME3 developers when i had some spare time,
and what's funny was that each of them repeatedly said "we're listening to the fans" over and
over again like it was a mantra.

It's not like a mantra, it is a mantra. A PR mantra to be precise. It's noncommital, since listening doesn't entail a promise and it's on a friendlier note than - say - that Ashley line from ME1 about "with all due respect".

[Dreez]

abaris wrote...
"with all due respect".

If Bioware had ANY respect for the ME-fanbase, they wouldn't have released the game in this crappy,
backstabbing, ballstomping state.  If Bioware had respect for the fanbase, they would have released
ME3 with serveral Epic endings, each depeding on several "roads" of decisions taken during the 3
games combined. They would have given us a choice to play with our old friends, not that cheap roster.

Also...  releasing a DLC ON TEH SAME DAY containing important history, is nothing but pure dis-respect
and another way to earn a $, which is all Bioware seems to be about these days.

[AlanC9]

Meh ---- there's nothing important in that DLC.

[abaris]

Dreez wrote...

If Bioware had ANY respect for the ME-fanbase, they wouldn't have released the game in this crappy,
backstabbing, ballstomping state.

You clearly don't remember that particular Ashley quote about "with all due respect".

[BearThug71]

The OP made a valid point about Bioware and their discrepancies, I admit that...

But getting information from interviews posted over a year ago and now shouldnt be as reliable as if they were all done the same time, recently... For example: If he says there will be 20 endings last year, and we see only 3 endings now, that doesnt mean he lied to us intentionally. There could be many factors as to why the company didnt put in the 20 endings.

But the fact that they basically promised other things but never succeeded are troubling...

[ErockK92]

Dreez wrote...

abaris wrote...
"with all due respect".

If Bioware had ANY respect for the ME-fanbase, they wouldn't have released the game in this crappy,
backstabbing, ballstomping state.  If Bioware had respect for the fanbase, they would have released
ME3 with serveral Epic endings, each depeding on several "roads" of decisions taken during the 3
games combined. They would have given us a choice to play with our old friends, not that cheap roster.

Also...  releasing a DLC ON TEH SAME DAY containing important history, is nothing but pure dis-respect
and another way to earn a $, which is all Bioware seems to be about these days.

You must be a sad pathetic person.  I feel sorry for you.

[Overule]

jlmaclachlan wrote...

Hurbster wrote...

 

Nice!!!... ME 3 now with added Multiplayer that does affect the Sp ending dispite all the other promises to the contrary... another BW LIE!!!!

Maybe when explained like this they'll clue into why we're upset...

[Takamori The Templar]

ErockK92 wrote...

Dreez wrote...

abaris wrote...
"with all due respect".

If Bioware had ANY respect for the ME-fanbase, they wouldn't have released the game in this crappy,
backstabbing, ballstomping state.  If Bioware had respect for the fanbase, they would have released
ME3 with serveral Epic endings, each depeding on several "roads" of decisions taken during the 3
games combined. They would have given us a choice to play with our old friends, not that cheap roster.

Also...  releasing a DLC ON TEH SAME DAY containing important history, is nothing but pure dis-respect
and another way to earn a $, which is all Bioware seems to be about these days.

You must be a sad pathetic person.  I feel sorry for you.

HURRR I TROLL U:blush:

[ErockK92]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

ErockK92 wrote...

Dreez wrote...

abaris wrote...
"with all due respect".

If Bioware had ANY respect for the ME-fanbase, they wouldn't have released the game in this crappy,
backstabbing, ballstomping state.  If Bioware had respect for the fanbase, they would have released
ME3 with serveral Epic endings, each depeding on several "roads" of decisions taken during the 3
games combined. They would have given us a choice to play with our old friends, not that cheap roster.

Also...  releasing a DLC ON TEH SAME DAY containing important history, is nothing but pure dis-respect
and another way to earn a $, which is all Bioware seems to be about these days.

You must be a sad pathetic person.  I feel sorry for you.

HURRR I TROLL U:blush:

Not trolling.  This thread is embarressing.

[cotheer]

ErockK92 wrote...
-le snip-

Not trolling.  This thread is embarressing.

Care to elaborate?

[Elhanan]

XTR3M3 wrote...

I don't quite get what you are saying. Are you for the ending with this or against it? I can play ME3 with a complete paragon carefully managed throughout all 3 games and I get the SAME 3 ENDINGS that I get with a renegade that was a total jerk as long as my EMS (effective military strength) is above the perscribed bar required to have all 3 "choices" available.

That is not choice, that is not having past choices you made in this and the previous games affect the ending like they promised. The only thing that matters is the EMS. You can play this series 100 different times and the ending choices come down to one thing....what your EMS is. That is the only choice you have....whether to do things in the game to get your EMS up high enough to see all their "endings". That is NOT what we were promised in their hype.

EDIT
the co founder said they would address this issue soon. I hope they can fix this. If they can, this game will go down as one of the greatest game series of all time. If not, it will go down as the greatest series that almost was.

As I have not played ME3, I do not know what choices are included there. However, in ME2, one could finish with a full crew (like myself), partial crew, dead, romance options, etc; lots more than only Paragon and Renegade options.

And I am content with the ending scene, but I personally dislike V type endings; prefer to see Star children remain in school....

Modifié par Elhanan, 21 mars 2012 - 05:56 .

[Balrogen4]

Elhanan wrote...

XTR3M3 wrote...

I don't quite get what you are saying. Are you for the ending with this or against it? I can play ME3 with a complete paragon carefully managed throughout all 3 games and I get the SAME 3 ENDINGS that I get with a renegade that was a total jerk as long as my EMS (effective military strength) is above the perscribed bar required to have all 3 "choices" available.

That is not choice, that is not having past choices you made in this and the previous games affect the ending like they promised. The only thing that matters is the EMS. You can play this series 100 different times and the ending choices come down to one thing....what your EMS is. That is the only choice you have....whether to do things in the game to get your EMS up high enough to see all their "endings". That is NOT what we were promised in their hype.

EDIT
the co founder said they would address this issue soon. I hope they can fix this. If they can, this game will go down as one of the greatest game series of all time. If not, it will go down as the greatest series that almost was.

As I have not played ME3, I do not know what choices are included there. However, in ME2, one could finish with a full crew (like myself), partial crew, dead, romance options, etc; lots more than only Paragon and Renegade options.

And I am content with the ending scene, but I personally dislike V type endings; prefer to see Star children remain in school....

So you are for an ending which you haven't even experienced yourself?
Go play ME3 and finish then come back here and we'll see if you retain your stance.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Balrogen4 wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

XTR3M3 wrote...

I don't quite get what you are saying. Are you for the ending with this or against it? I can play ME3 with a complete paragon carefully managed throughout all 3 games and I get the SAME 3 ENDINGS that I get with a renegade that was a total jerk as long as my EMS (effective military strength) is above the perscribed bar required to have all 3 "choices" available.

That is not choice, that is not having past choices you made in this and the previous games affect the ending like they promised. The only thing that matters is the EMS. You can play this series 100 different times and the ending choices come down to one thing....what your EMS is. That is the only choice you have....whether to do things in the game to get your EMS up high enough to see all their "endings". That is NOT what we were promised in their hype.

EDIT
the co founder said they would address this issue soon. I hope they can fix this. If they can, this game will go down as one of the greatest game series of all time. If not, it will go down as the greatest series that almost was.

As I have not played ME3, I do not know what choices are included there. However, in ME2, one could finish with a full crew (like myself), partial crew, dead, romance options, etc; lots more than only Paragon and Renegade options.

And I am content with the ending scene, but I personally dislike V type endings; prefer to see Star children remain in school....

So you are for an ending which you haven't even experienced yourself?
Go play ME3 and finish then come back here and we'll see if you retain your stance.

Or save your money and watch it on Youtube.

[Hakuthehedgehog]

I just want to ask to the writers and developers of the game: why? How, after creating one of the best stories in gaming, do you back down on your word and give us 3 different lights to choose from, make on mess of a giant plothole with joker and EDI getting away with your crewmates that were on earth, and instead of an epilogue, we get a message saying to watch out for DLC.

You had such potential, a grand storyline in your fingertips, and then you throw it all away? C'mon.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

And that list of quotes is really where the outrage came from imo because it was like a PR lie to sell copies, and a slap in the face to the fanbase at the same time. I'd expect better from Bioware.

Ray's post bothered me too, you know some how 75 glowing reviews mean more than thousands of fans who actually played all 3 games and were invested in the story/lore characters etc. Talk about being pretentious or at least coming off that way.

[ShadowHawk141]

What strikes me is that Dr. Muzyka is telling us that only constructive comments will be taken seriously.
How can you have constructive comments on such destructive advertising, you don't come up with things like that by accident.
I don't want to bring BW down, in contrary, they make great games especially compared to what I began with in the early eighties ( I know I'm getting old) and I want BW to keep doing that in the future. I love the ME series (albeit Me3 is a nogo with it's current ending) and the DA series, I wan't much more of those.
But putting any emotional blame on angry customers after so much false advertising, that's insulting. The true fans deserve better than that.
Dr. Muzyka's comment didn't promise anything yet, so maybe they learned from it.

Modifié par ShadowHawk141, 21 mars 2012 - 09:29 .

[Cartims]

Thanks OP...according to Casey Hudson this is our work of art along with them....we demand Artistic Integrity or take credit for this fiasco all by yourself Bioware, you didn't listen to us, you just snatched our money.
There are so many games out there, Bioware always stood above the pack...their games WERE well thought out and interesting....WERE...welcome to the land of mediocre Bioware, you lost your edge....tis a pity.

Modifié par Cartims, 21 mars 2012 - 09:30 .

[sistersafetypin]

No. I don't agree they should be sued. I do agree they miscalculated to the detriment of a large number of fans