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[SmellyMetal]

LOL'ed about the "everyone will get a different ending" part.

Because it seems for all of us, just the color of explosions changed xD

[Dreez]

Thanks for the feedback. I doubt EA & Bioware will listen, they're too busy padding
themselves in the back after all the sales, but one can hope, that there's justice in the
world and they get to eat every lie they fed us customers.

I was actually ready to buy the Collectors Edition of the entire series, but now i think
i will completely terminate all business with EA and Bioware since apparently they
have no respect for players whatsoever and is all about the money.

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

Good job OP, you just reminded us how Bioware became a fat liar.

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

Dreez wrote...

Thanks for the feedback. I doubt EA & Bioware will listen, they're too busy padding
themselves in the back after all the sales, but one can hope, that there's justice in the
world and they get to eat every lie they fed us customers.

I was actually ready to buy the Collectors Edition of the entire series, but now i think
i will completely terminate all business with EA and Bioware since apparently they
have no respect for players whatsoever and is all about the money.

If the sales are still great after a month. Doing good in the first week says nothing if the remaining target period sees lackluster sales. Something's telling me this will be over soon.

[Dreez]

I personally like this lie.

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”

From my side, it looks like we're all getting the same...

[dbal]

Fans believe their choices didnt matter, but they did. Everyone seems to be so upset at the ending that they hardly notices the impact they had on the rest of the galaxy during the game.

From what i read from those quotes they all basically say the same thing....


Bioware took feedback from the previous games. Thats how they all phrase it basically. None of the fans are part of their writing team or production team so there is no way for anyone of us to truly help create the story. Everyone says they are entitled to something better. As a quote from Udina, "They are a bunch of self concerned jackasses!" The fans are entitled to purchase biowares game, not threaten them with an FTC lawsuit. >.>

[TheKillerAngel]

I get that you're very disappointed but this isn't of a magnitude serious enough for the FTC. I don't like the endings and I generally support the Retake movement, but this is outside the FTC's interests.

The FTC is concerned with consumer protection and anti-competitive business practices. While Mass Effect 3's ending was certainly a let down to many people, it is not a product whose faults seriously threatened the health. safety, or livelihood of a majority of its users. While Mass Effect 3 might have disappointed you, I don't think you can make a case that it was marketed deceptively or with misrepresentation. You COULD make that case if you got Mass Effect 3 and instead of being a game, it was some program to file your tax returns. But Mass Effect 3's failure in its plot and story is a fault with just that - a failure with the plot and story. It does not mean the game was advertised under false pretenses.

The game was hyped, and our expectations fed into wanting something that they ultimately did not deliver. However, I do not consider Bioware's marketing of Mass Effect 3 to be "unfair, deceptive, or fraudulent" in the scale that the FTC would be concerned. It did not meet our expectations (to some, by a long shot) but that doesn't mean it was a fraudulent product. The interpretation of Hudson et al. concerning the choice available in Mass Effect 3 was much more liberal than ours, so to speak.

Here is a fraudulent product: Suppose there is a seat designed to protect children in car crashes. The FTC would consider it fraudulent and intervene if this seat did not actually provide meaningful protection to children in car crashes, yet it was marketed as having such an ability.

Modifié par TheKillerAngel, 19 mars 2012 - 06:51 .

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

dbal wrote...

Fans believe their choices didnt matter, but they did. Everyone seems to be so upset at the ending that they hardly notices the impact they had on the rest of the galaxy during the game.

From what i read from those quotes they all basically say the same thing....


Bioware took feedback from the previous games. Thats how they all phrase it basically. None of the fans are part of their writing team or production team so there is no way for anyone of us to truly help create the story. Everyone says they are entitled to something better. As a quote from Udina, "They are a bunch of self concerned jackasses!" The fans are entitled to purchase biowares game, not threaten them with an FTC lawsuit. >.>

Really? So if I killed the Rachni queen, they shouldn't have returned? 

[dbal]

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

dbal wrote...

Fans believe their choices didnt matter, but they did. Everyone seems to be so upset at the ending that they hardly notices the impact they had on the rest of the galaxy during the game.

From what i read from those quotes they all basically say the same thing....


Bioware took feedback from the previous games. Thats how they all phrase it basically. None of the fans are part of their writing team or production team so there is no way for anyone of us to truly help create the story. Everyone says they are entitled to something better. As a quote from Udina, "They are a bunch of self concerned jackasses!" The fans are entitled to purchase biowares game, not threaten them with an FTC lawsuit. >.>

Really? So if I killed the Rachni queen, they shouldn't have returned? 

So shepard died in me2, he/she shouldnt have returned?

the reapers have technology beyond even ceberus, could they not have created the new one in the same way? or even used a cloning approach?

[Tazzmission]

Esquin wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Kub666 wrote...

Hah, this is good.

My favorite, from Casey:

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C."

Nice. They really did troll us all.

well to be fair me3's choice of the 3 endings was in fact diffrent so he didnt lie

You walked up ramp a, b or c then got  ending video 1 with a colour swap regardless of which ramp you chose.

You wanna tell me how that isn't an ending A B or C situation? Seriously if you enjoyed the ending thats your business, but don't try to dismiss our arguments. Not unless you've actually got some facts on your side like we do. 

yea sure ill tell you

in me1 we had basicly only a a and b  decision wich led to the same outcome persidiam in ruins and shepard alive

me2 again a and b  decisions involving keeping or destroying the collector base and yet same outcome

me3. we get a a,b,c option and frankly i think the endings are the way they are because this is the end of shepards trilogy not mass effect as a whole but shepards story alone including the people of the time he knew and loved

Modifié par Tazzmission, 19 mars 2012 - 06:54 .

[KevShep]

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”



^^^?^^^ Where and when did they go wrong with that one?



Hold the Line!

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I get that you're very disappointed but this isn't of a magnitude serious enough for the FTC. I don't like the endings and I generally support the Retake movement, but this is outside the FTC's interests.

Technically speaking the FTC can intervene because of the scale of complaint. There is clear liability on the part of Bioware to fulfill its obligations in example the numerous citations that the game will use the gamer's data to affect the end product. This alone constitute gross violation of consumer protection. The fact that you were promised something in the development of a product only to find out that its not the actual product you specified.

[Mercedes-Benz]

I hope that they do get sued.

[_symphony]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I get that you're very disappointed but this isn't of a magnitude serious enough for the FTC. I don't like the endings and I generally support the Retake movement, but this is outside the FTC's interests. (...)

Maybe, but that's up to them to decide. If you're right then the FTC will just dismiss it, you don't lose anything by trying.

[Banelash]

Tazzmission wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i should file a sute against the fans because you all give me a headache and making me suffer from stress

seriously just stop

I am seriously interested in your thoughts on the topic.  I will give them great thought.  Can you tell me what you did like about the fans who are giving you problems?

i think you mean didnt

i hate how the mornonic movement are ruining the game for new players

i persoanally am tired of being attacked for likeing something i payed for

im also tired of being accused of not playing the first two games and being called a bioware butt kisser


im also sick of hearing this movement speaks for every gamer when in fact they dont speak for me. i speak for me


who the hell are they to say they speak for every fan around the world?


this place use to be fun but now its like no life misery central occupied by people with no lives and get off to complaining and saying they know how a franchise they didnt even create should be


im mentally burnt out and honestly after the current display not just by fans but by gamers as a community it makes me ashamed to be a gamer because those idiots are gona have the whole gaming community targeted for critisizim


are you people actually happy to be laughed at by people?

this whole thing is so out of hand it makes you all look like gaming is the only world you live in

im not trying to bash, attack, flame or insult anyone and if anything im just venting my frustrations on the situation

1) Obviously you didn't get the sarcastic reply, which bioware employs to evade a question.

2) You can't sue people discussing on the forum, they were not even defaming your reputation.

3) Just like you have opinions, too bad for you that most opinions do no match yours. no one is speaking for you, you are nobody to us, we are only speaking for ourselves.

4) This "moronic" movement, in case you didn't realise, is different as this time, the majority of this forum feels this way. And before you jump into that "yea well 50k is the minority out of total sales" argument, name me one game where ALL the customers joined the forum. A forum is a sample size of your customers. Even elections will never get everyone to vote. Surveys will never get everyone in their target audience to submit it.

Modifié par Banelash, 19 mars 2012 - 06:58 .

[GeneralYin]

Tazzmission wrote...

i was asked to explain why i have this option so i gave it.


dont like it tough

also dont act like im the only guy who has ever derailed a thread  and furthermore you want name calling? go talk to the anti ending movment who hijack threads and call people indoctrinated bioware butt kissers

I'm sorry that you were targeted by someone that identifies with our movement.  But there will always be those who let their emotions run high and those who use their keyboards lash out at others, causing the tense atmosphere gripping the board as of late. It is a reality with decentralized movements and the internet. But it isn't fair to label all of us based on the couple hundred posts that you have browsed. I have tried my hardest to be reasonable in every post I make as it makes my time in the forum less complicated. But I still cringe when I see someone striking out in aggrivation, regardless if I agree with them or not.

As for some of the earlier anti-ending posters, please be civil.  I know you are all frustrated or angry to a greater or lesser degree, but venting through attacks on the devs or people you disagree with will not convert any minds, or disuade disagreements, attacks or trolling. It only serves as fuel, and does not help the credibility of our movement.

Modifié par GeneralYin, 19 mars 2012 - 07:01 .

[Xandax]

hawat333 wrote...

Because that's a new and never experienced thing in video gaming.

Come on, it's always like this, ever since The Lost vikings.

Then perhaps it's time to do something about it......... not like stuff like this wouldn't get a reaction out of most in all other products people buy.

[TheKillerAngel]

I understand the frustration but could you guys calm down and read a few cases on false advertising before deciding that this FTC thing really has merit?

Here is a case on the FTC taking on a claim of false advertising.

http://www.ca2.uscou...27024/2/hilite/

[dbal]

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I get that you're very disappointed but this isn't of a magnitude serious enough for the FTC. I don't like the endings and I generally support the Retake movement, but this is outside the FTC's interests.

Technically speaking the FTC can intervene because of the scale of complaint. There is clear liability on the part of Bioware to fulfill its obligations in example the numerous citations that the game will use the gamer's data to affect the end product. This alone constitute gross violation of consumer protection. The fact that you were promised something in the development of a product only to find out that its not the actual product you specified.

They created a game people enjoy.......wait how can the FTC do anything?

If someone didnt like the game then they dont have to play it. If someone reads a book and didnt enjoy it, they dont have to read it. Its bioware's product and their IP. The fans have no rights to it. There is no entitlement for the fans.

[T1l]

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I get that you're very disappointed but this isn't of a magnitude serious enough for the FTC. I don't like the endings and I generally support the Retake movement, but this is outside the FTC's interests.

Technically speaking the FTC can intervene because of the scale of complaint. There is clear liability on the part of Bioware to fulfill its obligations in example the numerous citations that the game will use the gamer's data to affect the end product. This alone constitute gross violation of consumer protection. The fact that you were promised something in the development of a product only to find out that its not the actual product you specified.

If the Fair Trade Commission gets involved in this, even if they look sideways at this, it sets a bad precedent. I purchase a book with the belief that I am going to enjoy it; for example A Song of Ice and Fire. I get invested in the characters; for example, Ned Stark. George R.R. Martin decides in his infinite wisdom to remove said character in a way that I find particularly unappealing - do I have a right to go to the Fair Trade Commission?

Not sure the Fair Trade Commission can get involded with something so... grey(?) as personal preference and opinion.

[Eterna]

Tazzmission wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i should file a sute against the fans because you all give me a headache and making me suffer from stress

seriously just stop

I am seriously interested in your thoughts on the topic.  I will give them great thought.  Can you tell me what you did like about the fans who are giving you problems?

i think you mean didnt

i hate how the mornonic movement are ruining the game for new players

i persoanally am tired of being attacked for likeing something i payed for

im also tired of being accused of not playing the first two games and being called a bioware butt kisser


im also sick of hearing this movement speaks for every gamer when in fact they dont speak for me. i speak for me


who the hell are they to say they speak for every fan around the world?


this place use to be fun but now its like no life misery central occupied by people with no lives and get off to complaining and saying they know how a franchise they didnt even create should be


im mentally burnt out and honestly after the current display not just by fans but by gamers as a community it makes me ashamed to be a gamer because those idiots are gona have the whole gaming community targeted for critisizim


are you people actually happy to be laughed at by people?

this whole thing is so out of hand it makes you all look like gaming is the only world you live in

im not trying to bash, attack, flame or insult anyone and if anything im just venting my frustrations on the situation

 Hehe, I like you. Couldn't agree more tbh. 

[Xandax]

T1l wrote...

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I get that you're very disappointed but this isn't of a magnitude serious enough for the FTC. I don't like the endings and I generally support the Retake movement, but this is outside the FTC's interests.

Technically speaking the FTC can intervene because of the scale of complaint. There is clear liability on the part of Bioware to fulfill its obligations in example the numerous citations that the game will use the gamer's data to affect the end product. This alone constitute gross violation of consumer protection. The fact that you were promised something in the development of a product only to find out that its not the actual product you specified.

If the Fair Trade Commission gets involved in this, even if they look sideways at this, it sets a bad precedent. I purchase a book with the belief that I am going to enjoy it; for example A Song of Ice and Fire. I get invested in the characters; for example, Ned Stark. George R.R. Martin decides in his infinite wisdom to remove said character in a way that I find particularly unappealing - do I have a right to go to the Fair Trade Commission?

Not sure the Fair Trade Commission can get involded with something so... grey(?) as personal preference and opinion.

(The specifics of the FTC case aside then.... )
If the author told you stuff before hand that turned out to not be true, and made the book so you could participate in it and not just read it .... then perhaps you have a precedence.
If not - the case you outline and this one has no similarities other than you trying to make one up.

Modifié par Xandax, 19 mars 2012 - 07:02 .

[Tazzmission]

GeneralYin wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i was asked to explain why i have this option so i gave it.


dont like it tough

also dont act like im the only guy who has ever derailed a thread  and furthermore you want name calling? go talk to the anti ending movment who hijack threads and call people indoctrinated bioware butt kissers

I'm sorry that you were targeted by someone that identifies with our movement.  But there will always be those who let their emotions run high and those who use their keyboards lash out at others, causing the tense atmosphere gripping the board as of late. It is a reality with decentralized movements and the internet. But it isn't fair to label all of us based on the couple hundred posts that you have browsed. I have tried my hardest to be reasonable in every post I make as it makes my time in the forum less complicated. But I still cringe when I see someone I agree with striking out in aggrivation.

well thanks for the apology but id rather hear it from the people who have insulted me non stop so dont take offence by my comment im replying with 

the thing is i dont have an issue with protesting at all but i think we can agree that yea this is spinning out of hand because look what the forums are becoming

instead of being a place of fun its just a battlefield now because BOTH sides are fighting


both sides are basicly hijacking eatchothers threads in places where they dont even belong

i honestly cant be the only one tired of the constant fighting

yea i admit i may jump into a few  fights here and there but seriously we all need to grow up and be civil.

no more spamming boards with the same topics

no more hijacking threads

no more bashing on the devs or posters

no more conspiracy theory bs regarding a statement without any actual evidence

Modifié par Tazzmission, 19 mars 2012 - 07:05 .

[TheKillerAngel]

T1l wrote...

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I get that you're very disappointed but this isn't of a magnitude serious enough for the FTC. I don't like the endings and I generally support the Retake movement, but this is outside the FTC's interests.

Technically speaking the FTC can intervene because of the scale of complaint. There is clear liability on the part of Bioware to fulfill its obligations in example the numerous citations that the game will use the gamer's data to affect the end product. This alone constitute gross violation of consumer protection. The fact that you were promised something in the development of a product only to find out that its not the actual product you specified.

If the Fair Trade Commission gets involved in this, even if they look sideways at this, it sets a bad precedent. I purchase a book with the belief that I am going to enjoy it; for example A Song of Ice and Fire. I get invested in the characters; for example, Ned Stark. George R.R. Martin decides in his infinite wisdom to remove said character in a way that I find particularly unappealing - do I have a right to go to the Fair Trade Commission?

Not sure the Fair Trade Commission can get involded with something so... grey(?) as personal preference and opinion.

Federal* Trade Commission. But you would be correct in that it would set a bad precedent. The problem is that some of these complaints are really subjective and that the developer quotes are so vague that they could work with what the game offers.

Modifié par TheKillerAngel, 19 mars 2012 - 07:03 .

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

dbal wrote...

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I get that you're very disappointed but this isn't of a magnitude serious enough for the FTC. I don't like the endings and I generally support the Retake movement, but this is outside the FTC's interests.

Technically speaking the FTC can intervene because of the scale of complaint. There is clear liability on the part of Bioware to fulfill its obligations in example the numerous citations that the game will use the gamer's data to affect the end product. This alone constitute gross violation of consumer protection. The fact that you were promised something in the development of a product only to find out that its not the actual product you specified.

They created a game people enjoy.......wait how can the FTC do anything?

If someone didnt like the game then they dont have to play it. If someone reads a book and didnt enjoy it, they dont have to read it. Its bioware's product and their IP. The fans have no rights to it. There is no entitlement for the fans.

If that's the case then they shouldn't have released it in the first place, if they didn't want their "product" to be subjected to scrutiny and used by the public.