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[whizwart]

Why is it every fan with nerd rage suddenly seems to think they have a law degree?

[mybudgee]

Because they do have a law degree. Its in the law of entropy..

[Travie]

whizwart wrote...

Why is it every fan with nerd rage suddenly seems to think they have a law degree?

You don't have to be a musician to know bad music when you hear it.

[illusive crayon]

musical music is good for the soul

[Elhanan]

Travie wrote...

You don't have to be a musician to know bad music when you hear it.

The same applies to the constant moaning heard from those supposedly wronged....

[Telzen]

Best part about this whole thread?

OP doesn't even own ME3.

[urborg74]

So much talk of entitlement. Here's what's really at stake: Angry customers don't buy your product. A lot of people are angry, so it behooves Bioware to make reparations to keep losses at a minimum.

At a grocery store, if someone buys a product and it's gone bad before the expiration date, the grocery store replaces it, maybe even throws in something extra, because they want to keep their customer. It's not a difficult concept so I don't know why people are making it so complicated.

[The Spamming Troll]

the quote about talis face and all the effort they put into making it ALWAYS makes me lol.

gotta be the laziest thing ive ever seen. good thing i dont care about talis face all that much.

[Mokthar]

Telzen wrote...

Best part about this whole thread?

OP doesn't even own ME3.

That doesn't mean anything, I could give you 5 reasons why he may not own the game
the most probable:
He already have returned his game

Modifié par Mokthar, 23 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[Syfoor]

BioWare needs a good old spanking.

[tvih]

Kinda harsh to read... I generally tend not to read interviews etc to avoid spoilers, false hopes etc. But as an after-the-fact retrospective summary, that's some pretty nasty stuff compared to how the ending actually went. I was happy all the way to the end, but the end itself felt somehow off, even if not catastrophic. But the more I thought about it after it was done, the "wronger" many things about it felt. It does look like they indeed strayed from their own vision quite severely, so no wonder it feels wrong

[Zhuinden]

I'm just disappointed by how they're so desperate to protect their "artistic integrity", and yet they have absolutely none of "moral integrity", otherwise they wouldn't have lied for so many months to so many of their fans.

Are they basically trying to alienate everyone away? If so, it probably works pretty well.

Modifié par Zhuinden, 23 mars 2012 - 07:20 .

[Survalli]

this is great stuff.

[Elhanan]

Zhuinden wrote...

I'm just disgusted by how they're so desperate to protect their "artistic integrity", and yet they have absolutely none of "moral integrity", otherwise they wouldn't have lied for so many months to so many of their fans.

Are they basically trying to alienate everyone away? If so, it probably works pretty well.

You know, I somewhat hope the FTC will take steps against all this false advertising.
It's not like it's unfounded, really. Someone should, as they themselves don't.

As opposed to the "moral integrity" held by those using tanked reviews as coersive techniques to get what they want; like children upset that they did not get choco-chips instead of shortbread cookies....

[Zhuinden]

Elhanan wrote...
As opposed to the "moral integrity" held by those using tanked reviews as coersive techniques to get what they want; like children upset that they did not get choco-chips instead of shortbread cookies....

Hey, they promised these things. If they want to actually have a fanbase, they should address things accordingly. Otherwise, it sort of reminds me of this...

[MaldororAzrael]

Elhanan wrote...

Zhuinden wrote...

I'm just disgusted by how they're so desperate to protect their "artistic integrity", and yet they have absolutely none of "moral integrity", otherwise they wouldn't have lied for so many months to so many of their fans.

Are they basically trying to alienate everyone away? If so, it probably works pretty well.

You know, I somewhat hope the FTC will take steps against all this false advertising.
It's not like it's unfounded, really. Someone should, as they themselves don't.

As opposed to the "moral integrity" held by those using tanked reviews as coersive techniques to get what they want; like children upset that they did not get choco-chips instead of shortbread cookies....

Elhanan, you seem to have a very strong opinion on this topic despite the fact that you haven't played the game. I'm not saying that this makes your opinions or statements invalid, I repsect your point of view, but I do wonder if you would keep it after completing the game - trust me, watching the endings on YT is not half as soul destroying as watching them as a conclusion of your playthrough, you would see how far away these endings are from what was actually promised.

[Elhanan]

MaldororAzrael wrote...

Elhanan, you seem to have a very strong opinion on this topic despite the fact that you haven't played the game. I'm not saying that this makes your opinions or statements invalid, I repsect your point of view, but I do wonder if you would keep it after completing the game - trust me, watching the endings on YT is not half as soul destroying as watching them as a conclusion of your playthrough, you would see how far away these endings are from what was actually promised.

I am trying to keep my opinions on track as far as the parts of the game I have seen, fan reaction, and Bioware; not actual ME3 gameplay. I have seen one ending (ie; 23+ minutes;  Paragon / Good based on what I could tell), and while not liking the Visitot aspect, I am content with the finale based on the prequels.

And I do sympathize with a few honest folks that are let down, as I feel much the same way over ME2 due to use of profanity. This is the reason I do not own ME3. I ended my run after one playthrough, but still have lots of time invested in ME1. And I had some of the ME2 DLC that used the Hovercraft; had to skip all but the first part as it simply was unplayable for me. I actually prefer the Mako.

But tanking reviews, use of coersive measures, constant complaining, getting returns on products and donations, and general bad behavior has none of my support; nor empathy. These actions are deplorable, and rather immature; reminding me more of spoiled children than gaming adults. IMO.

And calling the cake a lie is rather absurd, as multiple, unique ending based on previous choices are extant.

[aries1001]

Please understand that game development is indeed a lot like writing a book, a novel maybe. You start out with some general ideas about what you're going to write about, then you start to write and idea 1 might work, but only if you do something about idea 2 and those two ideas only work if you do something about idea 3 or 4 and scrap the idea 5 or 6 and rework idea 7....you get picture, I hope....

As such even statements made in november or december 2011 or even january 2012 close to release can't really be seen as promises that Bioware needs to keep in order to put them into the game as things - as they say - are subject to change.

[MakeSense]

Fortunately I always wait for user reviews. 
YET, I would have believed some of these claims. Really, I would have. Because, you know, a lot of them seemed reasonable. 
Actually I remember reading about "wildly different endings" being possible for the last game of the franchise. It seemed so reasonable back then that I took for granted that they'd deliver on that, if possibly dropping the ball somewhere else (e.g.: increased streamlining).

It is telling about the age of (mis)information we're living in: every single one of the gaming magazines is carefully avoiding the issue of the blatantly broken promises, focusing instead on the "merits of art", "the danger of a precedent for the industry" and so on.
(excuse me, what about setting a "precedent" by breaking promises anyway? Is THAT not "dangerous"?)

Again, be thankful for user reviews and for people who take the time to spread "unpolluted" information.

Modifié par MakeSense, 23 mars 2012 - 11:35 .

[justlogme]

xIREDEEMEDIx wrote...

wow, look....another list of lies thread

  But yet sadly you can't deny they are lies that bioware stated.

[justlogme]

Tazzmission wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

says the guy who screams conspiracy and hijacks possitive threads all the time

look in the mirrior next time you want to argue on how the world centers around anyone you 
narcissistic troll

Says the guy who can no longer use a "minority"/"majority" argument and thus labels everyone who doesn't agree with him a cult member and is the one who actually hijacks threads..... and I'm the one who needs to look in a mirror.

Should I go through here and count and list how many people you have insulted in this thread alone? Or how many threads where you respond every 5 minutes to every post ever? Yeah... it's like that. And I'm the troll.

Here's something you may not know. Nobody likes you or respects anything you have to say anymore. Nobody.

at least i dont go around proclaiming to be martin luther king or the womens movment wile hiding behind a chairty

i dont care if you do or dont like me but you are going to repsect me 

  Respect in life my friend is earned, and I can count in too many of your posts were any respect for you would be totally lost. Lets start with your frist post in this thread where you state you can't help yourself and are toally stressing out over something as small as people having different opinions then you.
  Seriously you can not seem to respond to any opinion thats different then yours qith anything but insults. I have no respect for you, and i seriosuly doubt even other pro-ending gamers do.

[Ronin1325]

Ronin1325 wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

@onelifecrisis- Elhanan does seem to miss the point of this thread at times. When we're told we *won't* get an ABC ending & that we *won't* get a 'bespoke' ending that everyone is funneled down to, and then we do, it's hard to call that anything but a lie.

UNLESS a proper, open & forthright statement is issued that tells us exactly why they had to go against those claims & gives a resonable justification for the decision.

Unless one has varied every decision, and still has conslusions with the exact same squad members, romantic interests, etc, then there is no basis in the accusation; simply another indicator of emotion over reason.

You... are talking about the ending of the game, yes? 

Elhanan, would you like to clarify your statement? You've answered many others but not this.