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[bluewolv1970]

Elhanan wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Like the fact there is enough EMS in SP to get the best ending...

More like closing one's eyes to the number of posts stating that achievment from other Players. But self-deception works like that....

except that theer actually is only 3600 ems available in SP - the people who post otherwise are talking abou tms- NOT ONE person has been able to prove they got an ems over 4000 with GR at 50% - why? because it is not possible - but feel free to delude yourself if you want to...

Modifié par bluewolv1970, 24 mars 2012 - 12:23 .

[justlogme]

sistersafetypin wrote...

No. I don't agree they should be sued. I do agree they miscalculated to the detriment of a large number of fans

 This^^ I can agree with 100%

[Elhanan]

Ronin1325 wrote...

Elhanan, would you like to clarify your statement? You've answered many others but not this.

For instance, there may be a different ending if:

* Fewer crew survive ME2; possibly affects cameos or surviving ME3.

* Romance options; possibly affects different cameos and flashbacks.

* Strategic choices of prequels; may have a bearing on which endings are possible, even if filtered to Red, Blue, Green for that playthrough..

Technically for example, a game with Ash will be different in play than one with Kaiden (sub others that perish/ survive along the way). The ending I watched had some survivors. If these did not make it past ME2, then this ending changes; may not even be possible. But it still counts as an alternative conclusion even if that Player could not select it.

Multiple endings were stated; this was received, though the numbers may or may not be the same.

[Elhanan]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

except that theer actually is only 3600 ems available in SP - the people who post otherwise are talking abou tms- NOT ONE person has been able to prove they got an ems over 4000 with GR at 50% - why? because it is not possible - but feel free to delude yourself if you want to...

I might be deluded if I presume to read the minds of those posting, as these ems/tms terms were not mentioned. Perhaps you assume this to be the case, but I attempt to avoid this myself.

And I read where it was not possible to max Shepard in ME1 in two plays, but I did this with my Infiltrator. I simply followed my Sentinal to every single stop, and ran an exhaustive playthrough. So while I heed some printed accounts, I do not always accept it at face value.

[Sartini]

Elhanan wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

Elhanan, would you like to clarify your statement? You've answered many others but not this.

For instance, there may be a different ending if:

* Romance options; possibly affects different cameos and flashbacks.
.

Romance options do not affect cameos and flashbacks in the ending.

[Salis777]

nm

Modifié par Salis777, 24 mars 2012 - 10:47 .

[Salis777]

Elhanan wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

except that theer actually is only 3600 ems available in SP - the people who post otherwise are talking abou tms- NOT ONE person has been able to prove they got an ems over 4000 with GR at 50% - why? because it is not possible - but feel free to delude yourself if you want to...

I might be deluded if I presume to read the minds of those posting, as these ems/tms terms were not mentioned. Perhaps you assume this to be the case, but I attempt to avoid this myself.

And I read where it was not possible to max Shepard in ME1 in two plays, but I did this with my Infiltrator. I simply followed my Sentinal to every single stop, and ran an exhaustive playthrough. So while I heed some printed accounts, I do not always accept it at face value.

nm, pointless

Modifié par Salis777, 24 mars 2012 - 10:49 .

[BhallSpawn1011]

This thread should not have been placed in the no spoilers allowed section of the forumns. Not that I disagree with the message that the threads creator is spreading.

[Iwillbeback]

To get the perfect ending in single player with 50% readiness would require over 8000 war assets.
I only got 6000 after doing everything.
Maybe if I made different choices I might get an extra 1000.
That would leave me at 3500 EMS.

The ending is impossible to get without Multiplayer.

[Whereto]

Iwillbeback wrote...

To get the perfect ending in single player with 50% readiness would require over 8000 war assets.
I only got 6000 after doing everything.
Maybe if I made different choices I might get an extra 1000.
That would leave me at 3500 EMS.

The ending is impossible to get without Multiplayer.

We have confirmed this multiple times, and you like many others are prime examples of the masses of people that further confirm it. People that deny this isn't the case cite themselves or others that have got a EMS, and 90% of the time they don't provide evidence and when they do they are either glitched or misinformed 

[Elhanan]

Whereto wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...

To get the perfect ending in single player with 50% readiness would require over 8000 war assets.
I only got 6000 after doing everything.
Maybe if I made different choices I might get an extra 1000.
That would leave me at 3500 EMS.

The ending is impossible to get without Multiplayer.

We have confirmed this multiple times, and you like many others are prime examples of the masses of people that further confirm it. People that deny this isn't the case cite themselves or others that have got a EMS, and 90% of the time they don't provide evidence and when they do they are either glitched or misinformed 

As long as the stats are accurate, and all....

Based on the prequels, getting max lvls and needed points became easier with DLC, though I do not know if it was required. And glitches and bugs could explain the problem, as maybe an award is not firing properly; has happened in other games.

But looking to be offended by something will almsot always bear results; simply appears to be short sighted for the long haul.

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Elhanan, please post a screenshot of your game where you have 8000 EMS with a 50% modifier. If you can do this we'll stop disbelieving you.

We can't "Just Trust" you. No more than we can do the same for BioWare any more.

[Elhanan]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Elhanan, please post a screenshot of your game where you have 8000 EMS with a 50% modifier. If you can do this we'll stop disbelieving you.

We can't "Just Trust" you. No more than we can do the same for BioWare any more.

Again, I do not have the game. I read what others have posted, and when they say that they have achieved said goal, I have no reason or motive to doubt them. And I certainly cannot read their minds. Ask them for screenies if you wish....

But trust is earned, and Bioware has earned mine over these past years. This is not the case for the howling scavengers that are tanking reviiews, demanding changes, and posting venom; only earn my disdain.

[abaris]

Iwillbeback wrote...

The ending is impossible to get without Multiplayer.

Which translates to being force fed something some of us don't like and didn't want included in the first place.


I never was into multiplayer and now, rapidly approaching 50, I certainly don't want to put up with the shoot 'em all crowd.

[Elhanan]

abaris wrote...

I never was into multiplayer and now, rapidly approaching 50, I certainly don't want to put up with the shoot 'em all crowd.

Strange; don't look 50. Botox?....

Modifié par Elhanan, 24 mars 2012 - 12:02 .

[Wulfram]

It doesn't really matter whether the ending is technically possible without MP. What was presented to us before release was that we were being given an option of playing MP or being completionist about side quests. Not playing MP or following an extremely specific path throughout the entire ME series.

[Taritu]

Elhanan wrote...

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Elhanan, please post a screenshot of your game where you have 8000 EMS with a 50% modifier. If you can do this we'll stop disbelieving you.

We can't "Just Trust" you. No more than we can do the same for BioWare any more.

Again, I do not have the game. I read what others have posted, and when they say that they have achieved said goal, I have no reason or motive to doubt them. And I certainly cannot read their minds. Ask them for screenies if you wish....

But trust is earned, and Bioware has earned mine over these past years. This is not the case for the howling scavengers that are tanking reviiews, demanding changes, and posting venom; only earn my disdain.

If you don't have the game, you don't know what you're talking about.  So perhaps you should not talk about what you don't understand.

The fact that it is impossible to get the best (breath) ending playing just SP in a completionist ME3 game is now well established.  It is simply a fact.  That you, who don't even own the game, and who haven't done any real research (check the wikis for a list of war assets) think otherwise is irrelevant.

This is minor compared to the other issues, but it is a fact.

Modifié par Taritu, 24 mars 2012 - 12:11 .

[jess05]

Your EMS doesnt matter much.
Resolve the Geth/Quarian Conflict etc and you'll still get basically the same end as everyone else.

The major difference will be how many colors of explosions you can choose from. You may not get all 3 if EMS too low.


The only other major difference is the quick cutscene showing Shepard taking a breath, and you DO need MP to get EMS high enough for that.



That actually sounds bad ... wish I made it up

Modifié par jess05, 24 mars 2012 - 12:13 .

[Lincoln MuaDib]

Elhanan wrote...

I do not have the game. I read what others have posted, and when they say that they have achieved said goal, I have no reason or motive to doubt them. [ . . .] But trust is earned, and Bioware has earned mine over these past years.

Well, I do have doubt. Do I need a reason or motive to disbelieve? Well, do you need a reason or motive to believe them?

BioWare earned my trust- I bought ME3 prerelease (7 months early), I bought ME1 and ME2, I bought all the DLC for ME2 (it added up quite a bit), I bought the IRL t- shirts and wore them with pride. I had trust.

But the ending made that trust gone. You can trust your local doctor for 40 years, but if you were suddenly to come across your doctor in the street, needle in his or her arm, tripping balls, your trust would be broken.

Could they get it back? Absolutely. Could BioWare regain our trust? Of course.

But saying "Just TRUST us!" doesn't work.

And there is a median between BioWare apologists and Howling Hyenas of Death, you know.

I've always said I LOVE 99.9% of ME3. LOVE IT!

But the ending, well, it does go against every other part of the Mass Effect theme.

I mean, at the end of ME2, you can go into your cabin and cuddle Garrus (shut up, no other love interestr is worthy! Grrr!). At the end of ME3- nothing. Poor.

But I don't support scrapping the ending- just adding to it, so those that like it as it is can keep it, and those that don't can change it.

Choice- that's what Mass Effect is all about, right?

[BlacJAC74]

As soon as people enter into these conversations spouting the words 'legal' or 'law', you know it's the end of the line as far as any sensible debate goes.

In my limited legal experience ( i have none in fact, just like those that are spouting the words 'legal' and 'law' elsewhere), i think people need to lay off subjects they obviously have little or no idea about. It's embarrassing.

Oh noes, i once read something on the internet, I'm now a fully qualified interwebs legal expert.

[redplague]

I think Bioware's PR attention hasn't caught up with how big a company they are. Thet still try to give the impression that they are a bunch of student genius's winging it and making it up as they go along.

But they need to get out of that and realise they can't do that anymore, Blizzard realised it and recently CCP have as well, now Bioware needs a better PR strategy. I mean Casey Hudson's comment about ABC endings. Why was he allowed to say that?! This entire game has been a PR disaster.

[Somath Cegem]

They prolly should have kept a tighter reign on the ending promises, just going "I can't say" and being mysterious, that way even if we were all just as disappointed as we turned out to be it would have given the backlash much less ammo than it has atm.

[steej]

Dreez wrote...


Quoted from another forum.  This is why Bioware and EA should  be sued for
false advertisement and misleading information / lying to customers.


Whether or not you enjoyed the conclusion to Mass Effect 3 (personally I feel
it tarnished an otherwise masterful series) please take a look at the
pre-release quotes below from websites and interviews with the game's
developers, writers and producers.

Does all that talk of meaningful player choice, multiple significantly
different endings and closure for the characters and series not seem,
at the very least, strange?

I believe Bioware can be legitimately accused of, at best, fudging the
truth if not outright deceit given the inconsistency between notions
of choice, closure etc. expressed before the game was released and
the ending as it currently stands.

In my opinion Bioware produced a badly written, ill-conceived shambles
of an ending riddled with plot holes and logical inconsistencies but
even if you loved the final moments of this great game do you really
think what was stated in the interviews below has been proved true?

Maybe Walters, Gamble, Hudson et al will be proved right when a decent
ending is released via (presumably free) DLC that explains the
original ending was just some sort of hallucination/indoctrination.
I'm not holding my breath waiting for that though.


Official Mass Effect Website
http://masseffect.com/about/story/

“Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any
other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience
and outcome.”

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.fina...-all-audiences/

“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think
one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are
optimal for different people “

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computera...missing-in-me2/

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as
much as we are anyway.”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the
architect of what happens."

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless
of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide
some answers to these people.”

“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being
brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they
got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was
because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you
didn't make”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the
universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in
Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different
based on what you would do in those situations.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get
some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the
lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers,
being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an
end.”

Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”
Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with
the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to
build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about
eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is
coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot
more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many
decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that
stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings,
where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and
variety in them.”

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player
decide what your story is.”


EDIT: Couple more interesting quotes I found, enjoy......or not.


Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html

Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever
before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle
for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike
Gamble.


In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was taking risks with Mass Effect 3's
plot,
including a negative ending in which the Reapers win. Gamble simply
said, "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he
said, "Yes".


Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html


"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"


Casey Hudson (Director)
http://gamescatalyst...active-stories/

“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and
the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all
of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to
live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”

Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.computera...ly-good/?page=2

“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And
even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to
some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending
where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things
- it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the
final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who
plays it.”

Wow.  Did you seriously have nothing better to do with your time?
sheesh.
And i can't help noticing that you dont even have ME3 registered to your forum acount. 
Do you even own the game?

[redplague]

One thing that baffles me though, they could defend the ending and have, but what about the Normandy squad members who pop out at the end even they are obviously dead or on Earth? They haven't said anything about this.

For all we know it could have been a bug in terms of character placement 'that character appears as Liara because of a coding bug and should be Traynor' thing, but they haven't made any comment about it! They haven't said yes its a bug or no its a plot hole that we will fix. They might be beavering away in the background fixing it but the lack of any comment about shows ignorant they are in terms of PR.